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Snipe
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9/21/2009 3:34:49 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
My United Nations club is having a debate next class about Iran's nuclear program. I have been lurking this site for quite a while now and decided now was a good time to register and ask for everyones views on the topic?

Google has helped a little, but I want to hear what you guys think.
JBlake
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9/21/2009 4:17:28 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
The Iranians should certainly have the ability to build nuclear plants. However, these should be regulated by the UN so that the world is certain they are not building weapons.
Xer
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9/21/2009 4:27:34 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
The US should not use any military tactics against Iran. The US should not demand that Iran can or can not do stuff. Open back up diplomatic relations with Iran and say you support Iran and it's future endeavors and all that b/s. Allow the UN and Israel to deal with Iran. The US should neither support or denounce Iran's nuclear ambitions, whether it be for energy or weapons. Iran won't nuke us, there is nothing to worry about.
Volkov
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9/21/2009 4:36:10 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/21/2009 4:27:34 PM, Nags wrote:
The US should not use any military tactics against Iran. The US should not demand that Iran can or can not do stuff. Open back up diplomatic relations with Iran and say you support Iran and it's future endeavors and all that b/s. Allow the UN and Israel to deal with Iran. The US should neither support or denounce Iran's nuclear ambitions, whether it be for energy or weapons. Iran won't nuke us, there is nothing to worry about.

There is much to worry about if Iran obtains nuclear weapons.

Lets note that Israel, like it or not, is a huge dependent of the US. If they're in trouble, so are the US assets. So if Israel is in trouble, we are as well.

The same goes for Saudi Arabia and other countries in the region. The US, again, like it or not, has treaties to protect and supply those countries militarily. Nevermind the fact that if Shi'a Iran gets a nuclear weapon, the Sunni Sauds will be close behind. That is a huge liability for the United States and the greater Western world, because that is where our energy supplies are.

This is a sensitive area of the world where the actions of Iran can cause a major situation that impacts negatively towards the US and the Western world, even if Iran never makes known intentions to attack any Western country.

I hate that isolationalist line of "who cares what they do? They won't attack us," because it ignores the entire idea of how interconnected and interdependent the Middle East is to the Western world. If things get out of hand there, you'll feel the repercussions here.
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9/21/2009 4:45:45 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/21/2009 4:36:10 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 9/21/2009 4:27:34 PM, Nags wrote:
The US should not use any military tactics against Iran. The US should not demand that Iran can or can not do stuff. Open back up diplomatic relations with Iran and say you support Iran and it's future endeavors and all that b/s. Allow the UN and Israel to deal with Iran. The US should neither support or denounce Iran's nuclear ambitions, whether it be for energy or weapons. Iran won't nuke us, there is nothing to worry about.

There is much to worry about if Iran obtains nuclear weapons.

Lets note that Israel, like it or not, is a huge dependent of the US. If they're in trouble, so are the US assets. So if Israel is in trouble, we are as well.

I agree. I think it's time we stop babying Israel and become less dependent on each other.

The same goes for Saudi Arabia and other countries in the region. The US, again, like it or not, has treaties to protect and supply those countries militarily. Nevermind the fact that if Shi'a Iran gets a nuclear weapon, the Sunni Sauds will be close behind. That is a huge liability for the United States and the greater Western world, because that is where our energy supplies are.

This is a sensitive area of the world where the actions of Iran can cause a major situation that impacts negatively towards the US and the Western world, even if Iran never makes known intentions to attack any Western country.

I hate that isolationalist line of "who cares what they do? They won't attack us," because it ignores the entire idea of how interconnected and interdependent the Middle East is to the Western world. If things get out of hand there, you'll feel the repercussions here.

For the record, I prefer non-interventionist over isolationist; isolationist just gives off a really bad vybe. I think at this time in history, it is time we start dealing with foes like big boys by talking it out and not fighting it out. Give the Middle East a little bit of breating room to make it feel like we trust them. Applying pressure only spurs Western animosity across the Middle East. If we become friends rather than trading partners, the fear of getting attacked wouldn't be the same. Creating a stable relationship through diplomacy and friendship rather than military pressure and sanctions may be a poor idea in the short run, but a splendid idea in the long run.
Volkov
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9/21/2009 4:55:00 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/21/2009 4:45:45 PM, Nags wrote:
I agree. I think it's time we stop babying Israel and become less dependent on each other.

Agreed. Israel is a nice country and I've always wanted to visit, and when it was just being founded it was important for Western powers to back it, but times have changed and Israel is absolutely capable of defending themselves. They'll always have a strong alliance with the West, but we need to stop excusing their actions.

For the record, I prefer non-interventionist over isolationist; isolationist just gives off a really bad vybe. I think at this time in history, it is time we start dealing with foes like big boys by talking it out and not fighting it out. Give the Middle East a little bit of breating room to make it feel like we trust them. Applying pressure only spurs Western animosity across the Middle East. If we become friends rather than trading partners, the fear of getting attacked wouldn't be the same. Creating a stable relationship through diplomacy and friendship rather than military pressure and sanctions may be a poor idea in the short run, but a splendid idea in the long run.

I agree, but we have to sleep in the bed we've made now. Iranian nuclear ambitions will threaten any chance we get to have a stable transition of the nanny of the Middle East to actual allies. Plus, I have a bad feeling that if we let them go ahead that we'll end up with more nuclear proliferation - something we should avoid.
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9/21/2009 5:48:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I'm not exactly thrilled about people with bizarre religious beliefs (if any type of religious belief can't be considered bizarre) getting ahold of nuclear warheads. But for us to try and stop each country from obtaining them sort of reminds me of a guy trying to cover up leaky spouts of water as they continue to gain in number - it's pretty much impossible. More and more countries are going to discover this technology or else just get it from someone who already has it. How are we to stop the proliferation of nuclear technology indefinitely? How many centuries could we hope to control it? I guess we might as well do our best for as long as we can...
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9/21/2009 5:55:30 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I've been highly suspicious of Iran ever since their phony election (1st vid). However, apparently the concern about threatening to "wipe Israel off of the map" was taking something out of context (2nd vid).
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Danielle
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9/28/2009 1:17:40 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
1) I hardly support Isreal in general (the very existence/location of the country... lol). However, those who think it would be so easy to just forget about aligning with Israel are obviously completely oblivious to the politics behind our connection. We have a deep rooted alliance with Israel for financial and economic reasons, as well as the fact that Israel gives the U.S. *a lot* of intelligence. That is not a relationship that we're willing to sacrifice (though I wish we would), and as such, this is just wishful thinking on all of your parts.

2) Look at a map of the Middle East. The countries surrounding Iran are all occupied by the United States or allied with the U.S. If Iran made one nuclear move, the U.S. (and many others!) would DESTROY them. So, who friggin cares if they have weapons? To cite a preventative attack would be unfair; the same argument could then be used against us and others.

3) I love how Obama came into office promising to leave Iraq. Now, he wants to get us involved with Iran. I suspect that this is all part of his plan to appear more bipartisan than he really is, in light of all of the "socialist" controversy and stigma he's got thanks to his plan of introducing national health care. Way to appease the right wingers, eh?

4) Best of all, the current President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadi Nejad, recently said something in a press conference to the effect of, "Oh - You want to have a chat with the U.N. and be honest? Ok, sure. How about we tell the U.N. how you - the U.S. - are supply Iran with 80% more uranium than we need?" In other words, he basically called out the U.S. for purposely trying to start conflict with Iran. He insinuated that the U.S. is *giving* Iran the very uranium that they're complaining about, and arguing that Iran doesn't even want it. Hmm... Interesting. Plus, wasn't this the very same thing that George Bush was wrong about recently in Iraq? D'oh.
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