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chrumbelievable
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9/25/2012 3:08:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
President Obama has been receiving a lot of criticism lately (namely from opponent Mitt Romney) for being an "apologist" with regards to his foreign policy.

Do you think Obama is wrong for "apologizing for America," or was he simply demonstrating careful diplomacy? Should he follow along the lines of Mitt Romney and his patriotic literary piece entitled No Apology: The Case for American Greatness?

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socialpinko
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9/25/2012 3:12:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Apologies aren't worth the time it takes to utter them. I'd rather him simply stop murdering innocent people in other countries.
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9/25/2012 3:20:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This is how utterly moronic the respective liberal and conservative paradigms are. They both buy into the bullsh1t idea that Obama is a peace loving liberal when in reality he's a war mongerer. The only difference in their opinions is that liberals would like it if he was and conservatives would hate it. They simply apply their imaginary picture of Obama to real life Obama. Conservatives should honestly love the guy. Drone killing innocent kids in the Middle East, scaling up drone warfare, banging the war drums with Iran, etc.. Hell he's a Republican's wet dream!
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9/25/2012 3:21:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/25/2012 3:12:47 PM, darkkermit wrote:
http://www.politifact.com...

Its simply false that Obama apologized for America.

Perhaps he didn't say "appologize", or "sorry", but he went to Daniel Ortega and Hugo Chavez and pretty much did the equivalent.
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9/25/2012 8:26:24 PM
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It was absolutely wrong for Obama to apologize for America! One of our Ambassadors was murdered, and what does he do? He fvcking apologizes?!?! He is a spineless fool, who is in no way fit to be commander in chief, not that Romney's any better, but anything could be better than this joke! Reagan had the balls to stand up to these primitive rag heads, and bombed them! We should have done that, not apologize!

If we aren't going to fight these SOBs, we need to simply withdraw all foreign aid from the middle east, and let them fix their problems by themselves. No more foreign aid, no more embassies, no more soldiers. If we're going to even try and fix the middle east, it will take a war. Let them bomb themselves into oblivion, and let someone else start over.

Good ol' Theocracy at work, eh?
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9/25/2012 8:28:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/25/2012 3:20:15 PM, socialpinko wrote:
This is how utterly moronic the respective liberal and conservative paradigms are. They both buy into the bullsh1t idea that Obama is a peace loving liberal when in reality he's a war mongerer.

How dare you, he won a Nobel Peace prize!! haha
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9/25/2012 8:30:37 PM
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That's my favorite, politicians saying "I will never apologize for America" We'll kill as many innocent people as we please and never say we're sorry because, to quote Madeleine Albright 'We think the price is worth it'.
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9/25/2012 8:34:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/25/2012 8:30:37 PM, lewis20 wrote:
That's my favorite, politicians saying "I will never apologize for America" We'll kill as many innocent people as we please and never say we're sorry because, to quote Madeleine Albright 'We think the price is worth it'.

First, why should we apologize?

Secondly, shooting these idiot protesters would rid the earth of useless filth that is taking up ogygen! :P
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9/26/2012 7:27:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/25/2012 8:35:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Obviously not what Jesus would do.

Obama is my savior.
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9/26/2012 7:48:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
When I heard Mit say "I will never apologize for America" I wanted to ask:

1. So you feel that it is possible for a person to be 100%, right?
2. If not possible to always be right, then why would you feel it not important to recognize when one is wrong and correct and damaged relationships caused by being wrong?

It is all just meaningless rhetoric to lead the sheeple.
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9/26/2012 10:22:54 AM
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At 9/25/2012 3:12:47 PM, darkkermit wrote:
http://www.politifact.com...

Its simply false that Obama apologized for America.
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9/26/2012 10:28:15 AM
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At 9/25/2012 8:34:53 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 9/25/2012 8:30:37 PM, lewis20 wrote:
That's my favorite, politicians saying "I will never apologize for America" We'll kill as many innocent people as we please and never say we're sorry because, to quote Madeleine Albright 'We think the price is worth it'.

First, why should we apologize?

I can think of a few million reasons.
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9/26/2012 10:30:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/25/2012 8:26:24 PM, EvanK wrote:
It was absolutely wrong for Obama to apologize for America! One of our Ambassadors was murdered, and what does he do? He fvcking apologizes?!?! He is a spineless fool, who is in no way fit to be commander in chief, not that Romney's any better, but anything could be better than this joke!

Clearly you dont even know what the hell is going on. The whole apoloize for America incident happened in 2010, the Libya Embassy thing happened in 2012, so how the hell could Obama have apologized for something two years before it happened and what news organization told you that he did apologize for what happened in Libya?

On another note it apparently is worth mentioning that the attack in Libya was a terrorist attack meant as revenge for 9/11, not as outrage for the movie.

Reagan had the balls to stand up to these primitive rag heads, and bombed them! We should have done that, not apologize!

Yes he stood up to them by selling them weapons....
http://en.wikipedia.org...

If we aren't going to fight these SOBs, we need to simply withdraw all foreign aid from the middle east, and let them fix their problems by themselves. No more foreign aid, no more embassies, no more soldiers.

Do you not realize that these attacks were carried out by a very very ridiculously small fraction of Muslims and that the muslims who attacked these embassies in now way is indicative of the sentiments of the rest of the arab world? Punishing a billion Arabs for the actions of a couple hundred would be like China punishing all of America for the few who made the video in the first place, nobody approves of the actions of those who made the film in America just like how the average Muslim doesnt approve of the torching of embassies because of the film either.

If we're going to even try and fix the middle east, it will take a war. Let them bomb themselves into oblivion, and let someone else start over.

Good ol' Theocracy at work, eh?

Try to get your facts straight before you start yelping for war.
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9/26/2012 11:31:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
There seems to be a general misunderstanding about the reasons behind anti-American sentiment/protests in the first place. This anti-Islamic video and the reactions it garnered must be placed in the context of:

- American military involvement in the Middle East/Muslim countries: full scale wars and occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan, drone bombing campaigns in Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen

- American diplomatic, economic, and military support for the 40+ year Israeli occupation of the Palestinians and other Israeli military initiatives like Operation Cast Lead, and several invasions/bombing campaigns in Lebanon

- United States turning a blind eye towards repeated human rights violations by every single one of its Middle Eastern allies, often even offering such leaders diplomatic/economic support

- The long history of the West propping up/supporting repressive, brutal dictatorships in the region to benefit their strategic interests

- Perceived American indifference to the lives of Muslims, perceived "Islamophobia" in the American government and news media

All of these things contribute to the widespread anti-American/Western sentiment in the Middle East. Most Americans may be in the dark about the reality of these policies but most Muslims in the Middle East are quite aware of them and overwhelmingly, strongly oppose them. So in my opinion the protests must be seen in the context of these policies.

And it is of course simply inaccurate that Obama is apologizing for America - and even if he was, it would all be rhetoric anyway, and would change nothing about America's military campaigns in a handful (literally) of Muslim countries and support for Israel's utter disregard for Palestinian human rights... And the long history of American involvement in the region, propping up and supporting brutal dictators for selfish reasons... Given all these things, plus constant Muslim bashing in the American government and media, would a small apology really be so inappropriate?
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9/26/2012 11:48:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/25/2012 8:30:37 PM, lewis20 wrote:
That's my favorite, politicians saying "I will never apologize for America" We'll kill as many innocent people as we please and never say we're sorry because, to quote Madeleine Albright 'We think the price is worth it'.

Yep. She was saying that on 60 Minutes in response to the estimated half a million Iraqi children that were killed as a result of sanctions during the Clinton years, before the invasion of Iraq which added at least a few hundred thousand civilian casualties to the list. Ya, there's totally nothing the American government has ever done in the Middle East in terms of supporting/committing gross human rights violations on a massive scale that would warrant an apology of any kind.