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9/28/2012 3:59:31 AM
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What was wrong with the USSR (other than the whole genocide by Stalin thing)? They were a superpower and had a great economy.
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9/28/2012 4:37:49 AM
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Why don't you give the History forum some love?

Millions of deaths from famine.
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9/28/2012 5:06:48 AM
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Human rights violations, horrible living standards, totalitarian state. Every organization had to be registered with the state. There was no freedom of speech or protest

The USSR economy was actually quite bad. While the overall size of their economy was large, their per capita GDP was right above $9000, while USA's was over $21,000. Not having a price system (which reflects supply and demand) and having nearly full employment led to high levels of waste and inefficiencies. As food and housing was guaranteed and there was little upwards mobility, people had little incentive to work.

By what standard was the USSR economy strong?
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9/28/2012 5:34:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 5:06:48 AM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
Human rights violations, horrible living standards, totalitarian state. Every organization had to be registered with the state. There was no freedom of speech or protest

The USSR economy was actually quite bad. While the overall size of their economy was large, their per capita GDP was right above $9000, while USA's was over $21,000. Not having a price system (which reflects supply and demand) and having nearly full employment led to high levels of waste and inefficiencies. As food and housing was guaranteed and there was little upwards mobility, people had little incentive to work.

By what standard was the USSR economy strong?

Rate of growth and general output. I'm talking pre-80's btw.
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9/28/2012 5:34:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 4:37:49 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
Why don't you give the History forum some love?

Millions of deaths from famine.

Yeah, that wasn't good.
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9/28/2012 6:59:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 5:34:11 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 9/28/2012 5:06:48 AM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
Human rights violations, horrible living standards, totalitarian state. Every organization had to be registered with the state. There was no freedom of speech or protest

The USSR economy was actually quite bad. While the overall size of their economy was large, their per capita GDP was right above $9000, while USA's was over $21,000. Not having a price system (which reflects supply and demand) and having nearly full employment led to high levels of waste and inefficiencies. As food and housing was guaranteed and there was little upwards mobility, people had little incentive to work.

By what standard was the USSR economy strong?

Rate of growth and general output. I'm talking pre-80's btw.

I can't find the GDP per capita for those years. Still, I'm pretty sure the USSR was plauged by production shortages and production inefficiencies even during those times of growth.
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9/28/2012 7:06:18 AM
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The whole police state, people disappearing and being erased from every record ever......
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9/28/2012 7:10:46 AM
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At 9/28/2012 5:34:11 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 9/28/2012 5:06:48 AM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
Human rights violations, horrible living standards, totalitarian state. Every organization had to be registered with the state. There was no freedom of speech or protest

The USSR economy was actually quite bad. While the overall size of their economy was large, their per capita GDP was right above $9000, while USA's was over $21,000. Not having a price system (which reflects supply and demand) and having nearly full employment led to high levels of waste and inefficiencies. As food and housing was guaranteed and there was little upwards mobility, people had little incentive to work.

By what standard was the USSR economy strong?

Rate of growth and general output. I'm talking pre-80's btw.

largely faked information. Russia's gdp didn't get shot because of its collapse. Rather most of the gdp stats weren't real.
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9/28/2012 10:52:37 AM
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At 9/28/2012 3:59:31 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
What was wrong with the USSR (other than the whole genocide by Stalin thing)? They were a superpower and had a great economy.

LOL There is no longer a USSR because they didn't have a great economy. They were a single party police state.
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9/28/2012 10:55:58 AM
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At 9/28/2012 10:52:37 AM, DanT wrote:
At 9/28/2012 3:59:31 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
What was wrong with the USSR (other than the whole genocide by Stalin thing)? They were a superpower and had a great economy.


LOL There is no longer a USSR because they didn't have a great economy. They were a single party police state.

Also allot of George Orwell's books were based on the USSR. NewSpeak is based on a Russian practice. Czesław Miłosz described the USSR as a logocracy with a "pseudo-reality created by mere words".
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9/28/2012 11:28:23 AM
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At 9/28/2012 3:59:31 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
What was wrong with the USSR (other than the whole genocide by Stalin thing)? They were a superpower and had a great economy.

Communism is no economy at all. It's just a system of handing out resources to people and forcing them to work.
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9/28/2012 11:33:13 AM
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At 9/28/2012 5:34:11 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 9/28/2012 5:06:48 AM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
Human rights violations, horrible living standards, totalitarian state. Every organization had to be registered with the state. There was no freedom of speech or protest

The USSR economy was actually quite bad. While the overall size of their economy was large, their per capita GDP was right above $9000, while USA's was over $21,000. Not having a price system (which reflects supply and demand) and having nearly full employment led to high levels of waste and inefficiencies. As food and housing was guaranteed and there was little upwards mobility, people had little incentive to work.

By what standard was the USSR economy strong?

Rate of growth and general output. I'm talking pre-80's btw.

The USSR could not develop technology. It needed an advanced industry in areas which it simply could not get them. Oil, for example, was destroyed as an industry in the USSR.

The major reason cited (excluding partisanship of "communism is bad") is that the idea of "Socialism in One Country" was utterly horrible. The closing of borders meant development stopped to a crawl, and even Marx recognised the innovation of the Capitalist system. Further, Communism was supposed to arise in developed, not underdeveloped, Capitalist countries. Thus, Russia needed to become more industrialised as well as boost equality: create efficiency and equity at the same time rapidly. This essentially screwed up the system.
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9/28/2012 11:33:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 3:59:31 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
What was wrong with the USSR (other than the whole genocide by Stalin thing)? They were a superpower and had a great economy.

Well, for one thing, they talk funny over there...but mostly, this town just ain't hardly big enough for two superpowers.
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9/28/2012 5:10:20 PM
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At 9/28/2012 11:28:23 AM, MouthWash wrote:
At 9/28/2012 3:59:31 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
What was wrong with the USSR (other than the whole genocide by Stalin thing)? They were a superpower and had a great economy.

Communism is no economy at all. It's just a system of handing out resources to people and forcing them to work.

Fail definition of economics is fail.
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9/28/2012 5:17:20 PM
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At 9/28/2012 3:59:31 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
What was wrong with the USSR (other than the whole genocide by Stalin thing)? They were a superpower and had a great economy.:

Oh, I'm sorry that whole genocide thingy wasn't good enough to meet your criteria. Nazi Germany was a superpower and had a great economy. Therefore, Nazi Germany is a great country by default; never mind the minor quibble about the genocide thingy.
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9/28/2012 8:30:10 PM
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At 9/28/2012 7:10:46 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/28/2012 5:34:11 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 9/28/2012 5:06:48 AM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
Human rights violations, horrible living standards, totalitarian state. Every organization had to be registered with the state. There was no freedom of speech or protest

The USSR economy was actually quite bad. While the overall size of their economy was large, their per capita GDP was right above $9000, while USA's was over $21,000. Not having a price system (which reflects supply and demand) and having nearly full employment led to high levels of waste and inefficiencies. As food and housing was guaranteed and there was little upwards mobility, people had little incentive to work.

By what standard was the USSR economy strong?

Rate of growth and general output. I'm talking pre-80's btw.

largely faked information. Russia's gdp didn't get shot because of its collapse. Rather most of the gdp stats weren't real.

Yeah, this is common with communist states. They pump out false information to give the illusion of decent living standards, but in reality the situation was grim. The same thing happens in Cuba.
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9/28/2012 9:01:19 PM
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At 9/28/2012 3:59:31 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
What was wrong with the USSR (other than the whole genocide by Stalin thing)? They were a superpower and had a great economy.

Great economy? LOL
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9/28/2012 9:58:25 PM
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At 9/28/2012 8:30:10 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:10:46 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/28/2012 5:34:11 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 9/28/2012 5:06:48 AM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
Human rights violations, horrible living standards, totalitarian state. Every organization had to be registered with the state. There was no freedom of speech or protest

The USSR economy was actually quite bad. While the overall size of their economy was large, their per capita GDP was right above $9000, while USA's was over $21,000. Not having a price system (which reflects supply and demand) and having nearly full employment led to high levels of waste and inefficiencies. As food and housing was guaranteed and there was little upwards mobility, people had little incentive to work.

By what standard was the USSR economy strong?

Rate of growth and general output. I'm talking pre-80's btw.

largely faked information. Russia's gdp didn't get shot because of its collapse. Rather most of the gdp stats weren't real.

Yeah, this is common with communist states. They pump out false information to give the illusion of decent living standards, but in reality the situation was grim. The same thing happens in Cuba.

Anybody else get that 1984 vibe? Wheat production is up 300% coupled with an increase in the quality of life by 50%.
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9/29/2012 8:18:36 AM
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At 9/28/2012 5:17:20 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 9/28/2012 3:59:31 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
What was wrong with the USSR (other than the whole genocide by Stalin thing)? They were a superpower and had a great economy.:

Oh, I'm sorry that whole genocide thingy wasn't good enough to meet your criteria. Nazi Germany was a superpower and had a great economy. Therefore, Nazi Germany is a great country by default; never mind the minor quibble about the genocide thingy.

When did I say I liked the USSR? I just didn't know much about it, so I asked.
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9/29/2012 7:16:54 PM
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At 9/28/2012 12:02:46 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
[insert any country] is great if you ignore the bad things. i liked the hats.

Nazi Germany is great if you ignore the bad things.
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