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Danielle
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10/2/2012 3:25:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Is it possible to make a case in favor of the two-party system?

I was thinking: Suppose a Libertarian candidate got elected. Liberals would be beside themselves; in terms of economic policy, the ruling politician(s) would basically implement policies completely contrary to their propositions. Sure Republicans might lower taxes, but at least they'd keep certain programs that Democrats support like Medicare, Social Security, etc. albeit with different conditions. The point is, social programs would still exist to some extent regardless of which party won. That wouldn't necessarily be the case with third party candidates in the mix; we wouldn't always know what to expect, and if the majority of people would wind up being happy or not. For example, if a progressive candidate were elected President, fiscal conservatives might flip their ish considering they'd feel completely robbed.

Are you seeing where I'm going with this? Does this make any sense? While it's true that Democrats and Republicans stand in firm opposition on many issues, they are actually a lot more similar than different (and I'm sure the anarchists on this site can rattle off things they don't like that both parties support). Additionally, if candidates from more parties were elected at the lower levels - like say in Congress - then perhaps nothing would get accomplished due to there being very little agreeance, or ability to comprimise and make deals with more than 2 parties involved in the mix.

Just a thought. Arguments for and against what I'm saying? Note: This doesn't reflect my actual POV in favor of a 2-party system; I'm just wondering what the case would be for the other side (since I naturally feel compelled to argue both sides of almost every issue lol).

TLDR: When there are only 2 parties involved, they have to comprimise on certain things in order to appeal to middle-of-the-road, independent voters. If there were 10 parties that were equal in popularity, perhaps more people might be disgruntled after someone wins only by a slight margin...?
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Chaos88
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10/2/2012 3:35:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think the best argument for 2-party is more-or-less consistency. Sure they disagree about things, but they aren't going to revolutionize something, only to be re-revolutionized a few years later.

Part of the reason I think this economic recovery is taking so long is politicans keep monkeying with the tax code. If something were finalized, people wouldn't be concerned about what is to come next year. Between temporary tax cuts, numerous tax credits (some with increased deductions), and threats of increasing taxes (Obamacare), no one (namely businesses) knows what to expect for next year, so they simply stay put.
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10/2/2012 3:37:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well, how do you change it?

And whose to say if we added another party, it wouldn't just become the same thing? Certain issues help them more than they don't, or the majority of people that are gonna re-elect them support them, or it looks bad if their against them, ect.

Anarchists for one are never gonna be satisfied with anything to do with the state, so your always gonna be unhappy with it. I'm never gonna be satisfied wit one party, ever.....and honestly, there will always be something to complain about for each party. You just work towards your goals, or work towards the party the supports your views the most.

Your never gonna be satisfied with a party, no matter what, so you just have to pick between the one you like the best, or support the politicians that follow your views the most.
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10/2/2012 4:23:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well, do we know how many people are hardline libertarians compared to the number who are socialists?

Then again, given the current system, it's basically a steady move to the right over time.
darkkermit
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10/2/2012 4:58:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Not really. In non-two party systems usually the two parties closest to one another in ideology form a coalition. Or it would be minority party + major party would vote against the other major party.

If a libertarian politician were to be elected, he'd likely have to cave into pressure and would vote along side the republican party.
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10/2/2012 5:02:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 4:23:02 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
Well, do we know how many people are hardline libertarians compared to the number who are socialists?

Then again, given the current system, it's basically a steady move to the right over time.

wut?

I'm pretty sure the government has expanded greatly during the two party system
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10/2/2012 5:07:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
So..... because the two parties have to compromise, are similar on most issues, and won't achieve any substantial reform, we should support them?
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10/2/2012 5:19:45 PM
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Originally Britannia was a 2 party system, between Whigs and Tories.
Tories favored protectionism, Episcopalism, and Absolute Monarchism.
Whigs favored Laissez-faire, Presbyterianism, Congregationalism, and Rule of Law.

The US was originally a no party system but became a 2 party system under Washington. Those who favored Washington's admin became the pro-administration party and those who opposed his administration became the anti-administration party. The supporters of Hamilton (pro-admin) became the Federalists and the supporters of Jefferson (anti-admin) became Republicans.

Republicans were in favor of states rights, strict constitutionalism, and congressional dominance. Federalists were in favor of expanding the federal government, loose constitutionalism, and presidential dominance.

Eventually the Republican party was the only remaining US party, and it split between Democrats (Jackson's men) and National Republicans (Adam's men).

National Republicans were in favor of expanding the federal government, loose constitutionalism, and congressional dominance.
Democrats were in favor of state's rights, strict constitutionalism, and presidential dominance.

The National Republican party eventually became the Whig party, than transformed back into the Republican party.

The party system serves as a coalition of minor parties, in order to avoid 4 way splits.

In a 2 party system the vote may be split 51:49. In a 3 party system it may be split 34:33:33. In a 4 party system it may be split 26:25:25:24.
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10/2/2012 5:22:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 5:07:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
So..... because the two parties have to compromise, are similar on most issues, and won't achieve any substantial reform, we should support them?
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