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10/3/2012 11:23:57 AM
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At 10/3/2012 11:23:17 AM, rakingthelawn wrote:
Your thoughts? because I think (insert funny comment)

President Obama. Are you kidding me.
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10/3/2012 11:41:33 AM
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10/3/2012 12:37:46 PM
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10/3/2012 12:50:34 PM
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Obama will likely be superior but expectations are so low for Romney that he'll come out on top regardless.
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10/3/2012 1:31:33 PM
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Obama, although I'm highly Conservative and personal hate the guy.
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10/3/2012 2:11:22 PM
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Romney has so much ammunition...he just has to use it. I dont think Obama can "win" in the sense of demonstrating superiority on policy issues, but he does have a way of persuading people (personally I dont see his oratory appeal...he isnt great with impromtu speeches).
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10/3/2012 2:52:15 PM
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At 10/3/2012 1:31:33 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Obama, although I'm highly Conservative and personal hate the guy.

How "personal" If you catch my drift? Huehue.
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10/3/2012 3:05:28 PM
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lets just say I know the guy personaly and leave it at that.
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10/3/2012 3:09:08 PM
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I think Obama wins barring something really exceptional and unforeseen. The deal is that if Romney is consistent with the positions he was touting during the primaries, he is seen as radically right wing and crazily out of touch with the average American. If he backtracks on what he said during the primaries and tries to go for a more moderate approach, he is seen as the dishonest, flip-flopping political chameleon that he has already proven himself to be. Romney tends to be seen as this greedy immensely wealthy businessman who will shaft the middle class so as to aid his corporate buddies. It seems his Republican opponents during primary season and the Democrats have largely succeeded in getting that image to stick.

Obama on the other hand is the incumbent President whose approval ratings have been going up and who is currently presiding over what is perceived to be an improving economy. So he would have the advantage even if Romney's campaign hadn't been on constant disaster control since those controversial leaked statements came out and he started consistently lagging in the polls. And even if Romney wasn't generally perceived as a spineless, gaffe prone flip-flopper who will do and say anything to get elected. But those statements were leaked, and Romney is perceived that way, so that combined with Obama's "new groove" puts Romney at a seemingly insurmountable disadvantage.
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10/3/2012 3:16:13 PM
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At 10/3/2012 12:42:29 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 10/3/2012 12:37:46 PM, lewis20 wrote:
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10/3/2012 3:17:58 PM
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At 10/3/2012 3:09:08 PM, jat93 wrote:
I think Obama wins barring something really exceptional and unforeseen. The deal is that if Romney is consistent with the positions he was touting during the primaries, he is seen as radically right wing and crazily out of touch with the average American. If he backtracks on what he said during the primaries and tries to go for a more moderate approach, he is seen as the dishonest, flip-flopping political chameleon that he has already proven himself to be. Romney tends to be seen as this greedy immensely wealthy businessman who will shaft the middle class so as to aid his corporate buddies. It seems his Republican opponents during primary season and the Democrats have largely succeeded in getting that image to stick.

Obama on the other hand is the incumbent President whose approval ratings have been going up and who is currently presiding over what is perceived to be an improving economy. So he would have the advantage even if Romney's campaign hadn't been on constant disaster control since those controversial leaked statements came out and he started consistently lagging in the polls. And even if Romney wasn't generally perceived as a spineless, gaffe prone flip-flopper who will do and say anything to get elected. But those statements were leaked, and Romney is perceived that way, so that combined with Obama's "new groove" puts Romney at a seemingly insurmountable disadvantage.

I think I'm gonna make a swap around of this later and say "See what I did there?" later.
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10/3/2012 3:18:58 PM
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At 10/3/2012 2:11:22 PM, CiRrK wrote:
Romney has so much ammunition...he just has to use it. I dont think Obama can "win" in the sense of demonstrating superiority on policy issues, but he does have a way of persuading people (personally I dont see his oratory appeal...he isnt great with impromtu speeches).

He appeals to the shallow; people who are bad at math and have no sense of history.
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10/3/2012 3:20:06 PM
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What's the over/under on how many times they'll contradict themselves in sum?
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10/3/2012 3:41:46 PM
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At 10/3/2012 3:20:06 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
What's the over/under on how many times they'll contradict themselves in sum?

Better make a checklist then.
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10/3/2012 3:59:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 3:18:58 PM, innomen wrote:
At 10/3/2012 2:11:22 PM, CiRrK wrote:
Romney has so much ammunition...he just has to use it. I dont think Obama can "win" in the sense of demonstrating superiority on policy issues, but he does have a way of persuading people (personally I dont see his oratory appeal...he isnt great with impromtu speeches).

He appeals to the shallow; people who are bad at math and have no sense of history.

You sound weak and jaded. How about a more realistic response. Politicians tell lies. And they are bought and paid for by big money and corporations. They have no interest in sustaining or helping the middle class. So regardless of whos in the chair, or White House, the end results will be the same.

See how easy it is to tell the truth.
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10/3/2012 4:05:18 PM
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These aren't debates; they're scheduled appearances. There is no clash.
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10/3/2012 4:21:01 PM
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At 10/3/2012 3:16:13 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 10/3/2012 12:42:29 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 10/3/2012 12:37:46 PM, lewis20 wrote:
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10/3/2012 4:24:24 PM
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Gary Johnson.
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10/3/2012 4:34:43 PM
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At 10/3/2012 4:24:24 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Gary Johnson.

... isn't on my state's ballot.
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10/3/2012 4:40:34 PM
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At 10/3/2012 2:11:22 PM, CiRrK wrote:
Romney has so much ammunition...he just has to use it. I dont think Obama can "win" in the sense of demonstrating superiority on policy issues, but he does have a way of persuading people (personally I dont see his oratory appeal...he isnt great with impromtu speeches).

This.

I looked at some interesting facts Romney was supposedly going to use, and I think if he uses them he's golden.
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10/3/2012 4:54:26 PM
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At 10/3/2012 4:34:43 PM, Contra wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:24:24 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Gary Johnson.

... isn't on my state's ballot.

That's still in litigation, and likely he WILL be.
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10/3/2012 4:56:26 PM
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At 10/3/2012 4:54:26 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:34:43 PM, Contra wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:24:24 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Gary Johnson.

... isn't on my state's ballot.

That's still in litigation, and likely he WILL be.

Regardless of this, when (most likely) Romney loses his home state, that will be embarrassing. Even Mondale won his home state.
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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10/3/2012 5:18:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I have personally attended both Romney and Obama speeches in the past couple weeks. Romney will win. There is so much ammunition against Obama it is unreal.

Sadly, Romney will fail to bring up Fast & Furious conspiracy, funding Al-Queda terrorists, or inflating the economy. But Romney has slicker arguments when it comes to the economy.

Gary Johnson will be giving live commentary on the debate on Google Hangout, so ultimately Gary Johnson wins.
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10/3/2012 5:37:10 PM
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It all depends on the questions. WSA is right, these are debates as much as they are the regurgitation of one liners and rhetoric, so it just depends. Neither candidate has a decisive advantage in my opinion. Now with the Ryan vs. Biden debate on the other hand...
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10/3/2012 5:37:40 PM
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At 10/3/2012 3:16:13 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 10/3/2012 12:42:29 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 10/3/2012 12:37:46 PM, lewis20 wrote:
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10/3/2012 5:50:19 PM
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At 10/3/2012 4:56:26 PM, Contra wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:54:26 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:34:43 PM, Contra wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:24:24 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Gary Johnson.

... isn't on my state's ballot.

That's still in litigation, and likely he WILL be.

Regardless of this, when (most likely) Romney loses his home state, that will be embarrassing. Even Mondale won his home state.

This is a special circumstance. Although he is polling favorably in New Mexico, he's running on the Libertarian ticket--a party which, because of the monopoly the Democratic and Republican parties takes on politics, is shoved to the sidelines and marginalized.

Mondale was a member of the Democratic Party. Not a third party.
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10/3/2012 6:11:08 PM
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At 10/3/2012 4:56:26 PM, Contra wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:54:26 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:34:43 PM, Contra wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:24:24 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Gary Johnson.

... isn't on my state's ballot.

That's still in litigation, and likely he WILL be.

Regardless of this, when (most likely) Romney loses his home state, that will be embarrassing. Even Mondale won his home state.

I don't think that would be a big deal, given that Massachusetts is a big blue state.
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10/3/2012 6:18:51 PM
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At 10/3/2012 6:11:08 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:56:26 PM, Contra wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:54:26 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:34:43 PM, Contra wrote:
At 10/3/2012 4:24:24 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Gary Johnson.

... isn't on my state's ballot.

That's still in litigation, and likely he WILL be.

Regardless of this, when (most likely) Romney loses his home state, that will be embarrassing. Even Mondale won his home state.

I don't think that would be a big deal, given that Massachusetts is a big blue state.

Michigan is his home state, he grew up here. Though he probably has houses in both states.
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