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MouthWash
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10/3/2012 9:40:02 PM
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Looks like Obamacare is screwed, folks: [http://www.cnn.com...]
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10/3/2012 9:44:25 PM
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LEts not get ahead of ourselves, but yes, I do think he has a good chance.
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10/3/2012 9:45:50 PM
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legislation almost never gets repealed. It would take a lot to repeal Obamacare.

But Obama's stocks are going way down on intrade (although Obama is still in the lead)
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10/3/2012 9:58:23 PM
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At 10/3/2012 9:45:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
legislation almost never gets repealed. It would take a lot to repeal Obamacare.

+1

Ron Paul even said when he was running that he probably couldn't repeal it.
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10/3/2012 9:59:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 9:45:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
legislation almost never gets repealed. It would take a lot to repeal Obamacare.

But Obama's stocks are going way down on intrade (although Obama is still in the lead)

You concede that he won the debate, right?
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10/3/2012 10:00:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 9:59:38 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:45:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
legislation almost never gets repealed. It would take a lot to repeal Obamacare.

But Obama's stocks are going way down on intrade (although Obama is still in the lead)

You concede that he won the debate, right?

yes he won the debate.
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10/3/2012 10:56:23 PM
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Maybe obama was hustling him and will go all out on the next two debates. Or maybe the stress of the presidency really has cost him, as evidenced by his ridiculously lackluster convention speech
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10/3/2012 11:00:12 PM
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At 10/3/2012 10:56:23 PM, thett3 wrote:
Maybe obama was hustling him and will go all out on the next two debates. Or maybe the stress of the presidency really has cost him, as evidenced by his ridiculously lackluster convention speech

Haha the whole debate Obama is thinking to himself 'is it even worth it? Why do I put up with this'
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10/3/2012 11:02:53 PM
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At 10/3/2012 11:00:12 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 10/3/2012 10:56:23 PM, thett3 wrote:
Maybe obama was hustling him and will go all out on the next two debates. Or maybe the stress of the presidency really has cost him, as evidenced by his ridiculously lackluster convention speech

Haha the whole debate Obama is thinking to himself 'is it even worth it? Why do I put up with this'

If you want a plan for trying to make yourself lose an election, Herman Cain did it beautifully and he almost failed doing it.
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10/3/2012 11:08:36 PM
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At 10/3/2012 9:45:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Obama needs to blast more of his attack ads . . . They were pretty powerful.

You are endorsing attack ads? That is low.
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10/3/2012 11:13:18 PM
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Had Obama won, it would be over. He didn't, so it's a race again.
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10/3/2012 11:16:41 PM
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At 10/3/2012 11:13:18 PM, Maikuru wrote:
Had Obama won, it would be over. He didn't, so it's a race again.

not really. Things can change all the time.
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10/4/2012 12:58:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
A clear win by Romney. The smartest of the pundits, Rove and Krauthammer, say it will only give him one or two points in the polls. It certainly isn't over, but I suspect the Romney campaign will be reinvigorated.

Repealing Obamacare would take only 50% in the Senate, not a supermajority. That's because they passed it by declaring it a spending bill and as such exempt from the 60% rule. That would apply to the repeal as well. Also, the president can grant exemptions, so if Romney wins he could immediately exempt every state.

If Obama is re-elected, He could veto the repeal. That would require an impossible 2/3 vote to override.
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10/4/2012 1:20:28 AM
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The third debate will have more weight to it then any of the previous two and the vice presidential debate combined.
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10/4/2012 2:13:11 AM
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At 10/4/2012 1:20:28 AM, imabench wrote:
The third debate will have more weight to it then any of the previous two and the vice presidential debate combined.

Because of the topic or because it's the third debate? Also, and I may be wrong here, but doesn't debate viewership decline steeply after the first debate? From what I understand, the only people who watch the vice presidential debate are their families and people who lose their remotes.
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10/4/2012 6:03:16 AM
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At 10/3/2012 11:08:36 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:45:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Obama needs to blast more of his attack ads . . . They were pretty powerful.

You are endorsing attack ads? That is low.

Attack ads are useful sources of information.
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10/4/2012 6:08:01 AM
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In fact, Obama was destroying Romney until this debate because his attack ad campaign was so successful while Romney's attack ads were either weak or false. Romney even resorted to cutting out a five-second portion of sentence from a fifteen minute speech that Obama made in the 1990s, and was embarrassed when he was obviously immediately proven false.
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10/4/2012 6:52:45 AM
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The debates have less effect than you think guys......
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10/4/2012 7:24:19 AM
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I was really surprised: Romney was confident, eloquent and persuasive while Obama looked like he was on the back foot and unable to properly rebut his opponent"s arguments.

In the final analysis, however, the debate was about policies and Romney was big on rhetoric but short on specific proposals.

He did pledge to cut taxes to benefit the wealthier electors and to withdraw the health care safety net that many of the poorer voters rely upon, but beyond that he only made idle promises. For example; he said he"d create 12 million new jobs, but he wouldn"t say how and instead pointed out that America hadn"t yet recovered from the financial crisis of 2008 (which his fellow Republican. President George W. Bush presided over).
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10/4/2012 7:24:43 AM
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I think this was a win by Romney, though, Obama is still ahead. This debate was just a boost for Romney but nothing is decided. It won't be, until, the second or third debate with the addition of the Vice President's are included.
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10/4/2012 8:00:29 AM
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At 10/4/2012 7:24:43 AM, Double_Helix46 wrote:
I think this was a win by Romney, though, Obama is still ahead. This debate was just a boost for Romney but nothing is decided. It won't be, until, the second or third debate with the addition of the Vice President's are included.

Ryan will win the VP slot, and Romney has proven he can win or hold his own in a debate.
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10/4/2012 8:33:20 AM
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At 10/4/2012 2:13:11 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 10/4/2012 1:20:28 AM, imabench wrote:
The third debate will have more weight to it then any of the previous two and the vice presidential debate combined.

Because of the topic or because it's the third debate? Also, and I may be wrong here, but doesn't debate viewership decline steeply after the first debate?

I did not know anything about that and if its true then i retract my statement.

From what I understand, the only people who watch the vice presidential debate are their families and people who lose their remotes.

And people who are bored.
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10/4/2012 9:12:14 AM
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At 10/3/2012 9:40:02 PM, MouthWash wrote:
Looks like Obamacare is screwed, folks: [http://www.cnn.com...]

This whole tirade is irrelevent. Obama did not need to win this debate, because he has already won this election.
Period.
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10/4/2012 9:13:42 AM
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At 10/4/2012 6:03:16 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/3/2012 11:08:36 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:45:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Obama needs to blast more of his attack ads . . . They were pretty powerful.

You are endorsing attack ads? That is low.

Attack ads are useful sources of information.

Kidding right?
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10/4/2012 9:15:20 AM
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At 10/4/2012 9:13:42 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 10/4/2012 6:03:16 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/3/2012 11:08:36 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:45:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Obama needs to blast more of his attack ads . . . They were pretty powerful.

You are endorsing attack ads? That is low.

Attack ads are useful sources of information.

Kidding right?

Like I said, Obama had a smirk on his face for a reason. And that is because he himself has already won this election.
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10/4/2012 9:49:16 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/4/2012 9:13:42 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 10/4/2012 6:03:16 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/3/2012 11:08:36 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:45:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Obama needs to blast more of his attack ads . . . They were pretty powerful.

You are endorsing attack ads? That is low.

Attack ads are useful sources of information.

Kidding right?

Why would I be kidding about this?
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10/4/2012 9:55:07 AM
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At 10/4/2012 9:49:16 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/4/2012 9:13:42 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 10/4/2012 6:03:16 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/3/2012 11:08:36 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:45:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Obama needs to blast more of his attack ads . . . They were pretty powerful.

You are endorsing attack ads? That is low.

Attack ads are useful sources of information.

Kidding right?

Why would I be kidding about this?

The attack ads will continue to work in Obamas favor. Most people have a gut feeling that they should not trust Mitt Romney. And the harsh reality is that in spite of his efforts, they do not.
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10/4/2012 10:01:52 AM
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At 10/4/2012 9:55:07 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/4/2012 9:49:16 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/4/2012 9:13:42 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 10/4/2012 6:03:16 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/3/2012 11:08:36 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:45:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Obama needs to blast more of his attack ads . . . They were pretty powerful.

You are endorsing attack ads? That is low.

Attack ads are useful sources of information.

Kidding right?

Why would I be kidding about this?

The attack ads will continue to work in Obamas favor. Most people have a gut feeling that they should not trust Mitt Romney. And the harsh reality is that in spite of his efforts, they do not.

Coming from the one who was adament that Obama would win the debate by a landslide. On another note, I contend that all the ads in the world will not win Obama this election, dont delude yourself inferno.
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10/4/2012 10:07:35 AM
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At 10/4/2012 10:01:52 AM, CiRrK wrote:
At 10/4/2012 9:55:07 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/4/2012 9:49:16 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/4/2012 9:13:42 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 10/4/2012 6:03:16 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/3/2012 11:08:36 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:45:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Obama needs to blast more of his attack ads . . . They were pretty powerful.

You are endorsing attack ads? That is low.

Attack ads are useful sources of information.

Kidding right?

Why would I be kidding about this?

The attack ads will continue to work in Obamas favor. Most people have a gut feeling that they should not trust Mitt Romney. And the harsh reality is that in spite of his efforts, they do not.

Coming from the one who was adament that Obama would win the debate by a landslide. On another note, I contend that all the ads in the world will not win Obama this election, dont delude yourself inferno.

Actually I felt like Romney would win at least one of these debates. But trust me son. This election is not decided by the American people. If you think so, then you are truly lost beyond repair.