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10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
To counter the blatant bias of other thread, I copied and pasted some analysis about the lies Ryan told.

Ryan: "You know what the unemployment rate in Scranton is today? It"s 10 percent. You know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5 percent. That"s how it"s going all around America."

ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly, and when Obama and Biden took office it was actually 8.4 percent, not 8.5. More important, though, Scranton"s growing unemployment rate is not representative of the rest of the country, where unemployment has dropped from a high of 10 percent in October 2009 to 7.8 percent in September, and was up a little, to 8.1 percent, prior to that.

Ryan: Obama will reduce our Navy to the smallest it has been since before World War I.

Politifact called this absurd, giving it a score of "pants on fire." The basis for the statement"which Romney himself used in January"is the number of ships in the Navy. In 1916, the Navy had 245 ships; as of 2011, the number was 285. Under George W. Bush, the numbers were even lower (down to 278 at one point).

Ryan: "And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they should be safe, legal, and rare, now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said he sympathized with, and would not second-guess, their one-child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme."

Ryan"s claim that the new federal health-care law will use taxpayer funds to pay for abortions is easily disputed. In a July statement, the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the only abortions covered will be those in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother"s life.
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10/12/2012 11:23:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Debate: Paul Ryan used PolitiFact"s Lie of the Year, just like Mitt Romney did
October 12, 2012
By Anomaly

A distinct similarity between the first debate, and Thursday night"s debate with Congressman Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden was an egregious lie, a lie so big that it was named by PolitiFact as Lie of the Year. Ryan and Romney have more than one similarity, but this particular lie stood out like a nun at a nude beach.

Biden and Ryan shake hands after the debate. Image: ABC

Mitt Romney suggested during the Presidential debate in Denver, Colorado, the dubious claim of the Affordable Health Care Act being a "government takeover of health care." That was the 2010 Lie of the Year by PoliFact.

Paul Ryan repeated that lie " both are aware that this is false " in his closing statement, saying that President Obama "made his choices," including "a government takeover of health care."

The phrase is simply not true. "Government takeover" conjures a European approach where the government owns the hospitals and the doctors are public employees. But Obama"s health care law relies largely on the free market. We voted "a government takeover of health care" our Lie of the Year for 2010.

Paul Ryan is supposed to be the intellectual star of the Republican Party. With Joe Biden"s gaffe-prone history, the Vice-President was still victorious.

Apparently, Romney and Ryan believe that they can make up their own facts.

Here"s a fact: Mitt Romney dodged the war, but sending our children off to war is no biggie for the Republican Presidential candidate. Romney would send US troops back into Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, etc, etc, etc. Romney wants to expand the military. "Fiscally Conservative" is obviously codeword for: spendthrift Chickenhawk.

The right wing was fearful, after Sarah Palin"s "death panels" assertion, which was PolitiFact"s Lie of the Year in 2009. "Obama is a Socialist", Sarah falsely stated. Going to war in several countries doesn"t bother them at all. Think about that for a minute.

While right wing pundits spend the debate, in order to morph Paul Ryan into the winner, Sarah Palin is visibly upset. What Sarah is forgetting is that Joe Biden treated her with kid gloves during their debate four years ago.

Palin blames moderator Martha Raddatz for allowing Vice President Joe Biden to "run roughshod" over Paul Ryan. How dare Biden call out Ryan"s lies. It"s always someone else"s fault. The recession is all Obama"s fault. The plant that Ryan claimed was shuttered during Obama"s term " occurred during Bush"s time in office. Their tactic: Keep blaming Obama and maybe no one will remember that who fucked up the economy only four years ago.
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10/12/2012 11:23:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
RYAN: "Look at just the $90 billion in stimulus the vice president was in charge of overseeing " this $90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special interest groups."

THE FACTS: Dismissing an entire package of energy stimulus grants and loans as "green pork" ignores the help that was given to people to make their homes more energy efficient, grants to public entities constructing high speed rail lines and tax credits to manufacturers to install equipment fostering cleaner energy.

To be sure, there were notable failed investments, such as $528 million to the politically connected and now-bankrupt solar power company Solyndra. But Ryan"s claim made it sound like every penny went down the drain.

More broadly, economists are nearly universal in saying Obama"s $800 billion-plus stimulus passed in early 2009 helped create both public-sector and private-sector jobs, even if they fell short of what sponsors had hoped. Douglas Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, estimated the stimulus saved or created more than 3 million jobs.
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10/12/2012 11:24:16 AM
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" RYAN: "And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. This board, by the way, it"s 15 people, the president"s supposed to appoint them next year. And not one of them even has to have medical training."

THE FACTS: Ryan is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, created under President Barack Obama"s health care overhaul law. It has the power to force cuts in Medicare payments to service providers if costs rise above certain levels and Congress fails to act. But it doesn"t look like the board will be cutting Medicare "each and every year," as Ryan asserts. Medicare costs are currently rising modestly and the government"s own experts project the board"s intervention will not be needed until 2018 and 2019 at the earliest " after Obama leaves office if re-elected to a second term.
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10/12/2012 11:24:28 AM
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RYAN: "We cannot allow Iran to gain a nuclear weapons capability. Now, let"s take a look at where we"ve gone " come from. When Barack Obama was elected, they had enough fissile material " nuclear material " to make one bomb. Now they have enough for five. They"re racing toward a nuclear weapon. They"re four years closer toward a nuclear weapons capability."

THE FACTS: Ryan"s claim is misleading. Iran isn"t believed to have produced any of the highly enriched uranium needed to produce even one nuclear weapon, let alone five. That point isn"t even disputed by Israel, whose Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored the world at the United Nations last month to create a "red line" at enrichment above 20 percent. Iran would have to enrich uranium at much higher levels to produce a weapon. There is intelligence suggesting that Iran has worked on weapon designs, but not that it has developed a delivery system for any potential nuclear warhead.
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10/12/2012 11:24:43 AM
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RYAN: "What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they"re doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They"re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals."

THE FACTS: The requirement under the health care law that most employers cover birth control free of charge to female employees does not apply to churches, houses of worship, or other institutions directly involved in propagating a religious faith. It does apply to church-affiliated institutions such as hospitals and charities that serve the general public.
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10/12/2012 11:24:56 AM
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RYAN: "We should have spoken out right away when the green revolution was up and starting, when the mullahs in Iran were attacking their people. We should not have called Bashar Assad a reformer when he was turning his Russian-provided guns on his own people.

THE FACTS: Neither President Barack Obama nor anyone else in his administration ever considered the Syrian leader a "reformer." The oft-repeated charge stems from an interview Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave in March 2011 noting that "many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he"s a reformer." She did not endorse that view. The comment was widely perceived to be a knock at senators such as John Kerry of Massachusetts who maintained cordial relations with Assad in the months leading up to his crackdown on protesters.
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10/12/2012 11:25:45 AM
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RYAN: Notes that there have been four rounds of U.N. sanctions on Iran to deter its nuclear program, three during the Bush administration and one under Obama. "And the only reason we got it is because Russia watered it down and prevented the sanctions from hitting the central bank. Mitt Romney proposed these sanctions in 2007. In Congress, I"ve been fighting for these sanctions since 2009. The administration was blocking us every step of the way." He also noted the administration has granted 20 waivers to the sanctions.

THE FACTS: The argument that the administration was watering down or delaying sanctions is misleading. For sanctions to work, they need maximum global agreement and cooperation. Russia watered down U.N. sanctions not only under Obama, but also under Bush. And it"s highly unlikely that a Romney administration, particularly led by a candidate who says Russia is the biggest geostrategic threat to the U.S., would be able to get Russia completely on board with what the U.S. wants to " either in Iran or Syria.

The more absolute U.S. sanctions that Ryan and others have pushed in Congress would have punished U.S. allies, including most countries in Europe as well as Japan and South Korea, along with good friends like India and Singapore " without the exemptions that were put in place.

The administration has indeed granted 20 waivers, to countries that made significant reductions in Iranian oil imports. And the sanctions are pinching; Iran has been convulsed over the past week with protests over the collapse of its currency, which most people say is a direct result of the sanctions that the U.S. and others have imposed.
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10/12/2012 11:29:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
To counter the blatant bias of other thread, I copied and pasted some analysis about the lies Ryan told.

Ryan: "You know what the unemployment rate in Scranton is today? It"s 10 percent. You know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5 percent. That"s how it"s going all around America."

ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly, and when Obama and Biden took office it was actually 8.4 percent, not 8.5. More important, though, Scranton"s growing unemployment rate is not representative of the rest of the country, where unemployment has dropped from a high of 10 percent in October 2009 to 7.8 percent in September, and was up a little, to 8.1 percent, prior to that.

Ryan: Obama will reduce our Navy to the smallest it has been since before World War I.

Politifact called this absurd, giving it a score of "pants on fire." The basis for the statement"which Romney himself used in January"is the number of ships in the Navy. In 1916, the Navy had 245 ships; as of 2011, the number was 285. Under George W. Bush, the numbers were even lower (down to 278 at one point).


Ryan: "And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they should be safe, legal, and rare, now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said he sympathized with, and would not second-guess, their one-child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme."

Ryan"s claim that the new federal health-care law will use taxpayer funds to pay for abortions is easily disputed. In a July statement, the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the only abortions covered will be those in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother"s life.

I admited in the other thread that Paul Ryan is a lying SOB
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10/12/2012 11:37:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:29:50 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
To counter the blatant bias of other thread, I copied and pasted some analysis about the lies Ryan told.

Ryan: "You know what the unemployment rate in Scranton is today? It"s 10 percent. You know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5 percent. That"s how it"s going all around America."

ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly, and when Obama and Biden took office it was actually 8.4 percent, not 8.5. More important, though, Scranton"s growing unemployment rate is not representative of the rest of the country, where unemployment has dropped from a high of 10 percent in October 2009 to 7.8 percent in September, and was up a little, to 8.1 percent, prior to that.

Ryan: Obama will reduce our Navy to the smallest it has been since before World War I.

Politifact called this absurd, giving it a score of "pants on fire." The basis for the statement"which Romney himself used in January"is the number of ships in the Navy. In 1916, the Navy had 245 ships; as of 2011, the number was 285. Under George W. Bush, the numbers were even lower (down to 278 at one point).


Ryan: "And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they should be safe, legal, and rare, now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said he sympathized with, and would not second-guess, their one-child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme."

Ryan"s claim that the new federal health-care law will use taxpayer funds to pay for abortions is easily disputed. In a July statement, the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the only abortions covered will be those in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother"s life.

I admited in the other thread that Paul Ryan is a lying SOB

You were not the only person who needed to be corrected.
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10/12/2012 11:38:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:29:50 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
To counter the blatant bias of other thread, I copied and pasted some analysis about the lies Ryan told.

Ryan: "You know what the unemployment rate in Scranton is today? It"s 10 percent. You know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5 percent. That"s how it"s going all around America."

ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly, and when Obama and Biden took office it was actually 8.4 percent, not 8.5. More important, though, Scranton"s growing unemployment rate is not representative of the rest of the country, where unemployment has dropped from a high of 10 percent in October 2009 to 7.8 percent in September, and was up a little, to 8.1 percent, prior to that.

Ryan: Obama will reduce our Navy to the smallest it has been since before World War I.

Politifact called this absurd, giving it a score of "pants on fire." The basis for the statement"which Romney himself used in January"is the number of ships in the Navy. In 1916, the Navy had 245 ships; as of 2011, the number was 285. Under George W. Bush, the numbers were even lower (down to 278 at one point).


Ryan: "And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they should be safe, legal, and rare, now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said he sympathized with, and would not second-guess, their one-child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme."

Ryan"s claim that the new federal health-care law will use taxpayer funds to pay for abortions is easily disputed. In a July statement, the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the only abortions covered will be those in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother"s life.

I admited in the other thread that Paul Ryan is a lying SOB

i think she was referring other people in that thread, not you specifically
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10/12/2012 11:40:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:37:56 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:29:50 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
To counter the blatant bias of other thread, I copied and pasted some analysis about the lies Ryan told.

Ryan: "You know what the unemployment rate in Scranton is today? It"s 10 percent. You know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5 percent. That"s how it"s going all around America."

ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly, and when Obama and Biden took office it was actually 8.4 percent, not 8.5. More important, though, Scranton"s growing unemployment rate is not representative of the rest of the country, where unemployment has dropped from a high of 10 percent in October 2009 to 7.8 percent in September, and was up a little, to 8.1 percent, prior to that.

Ryan: Obama will reduce our Navy to the smallest it has been since before World War I.

Politifact called this absurd, giving it a score of "pants on fire." The basis for the statement"which Romney himself used in January"is the number of ships in the Navy. In 1916, the Navy had 245 ships; as of 2011, the number was 285. Under George W. Bush, the numbers were even lower (down to 278 at one point).


Ryan: "And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they should be safe, legal, and rare, now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said he sympathized with, and would not second-guess, their one-child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme."

Ryan"s claim that the new federal health-care law will use taxpayer funds to pay for abortions is easily disputed. In a July statement, the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the only abortions covered will be those in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother"s life.

I admited in the other thread that Paul Ryan is a lying SOB

You were not the only person who needed to be corrected.

True. But the whole point of the thread was the Biden's lies and to see how accurate the GOP assesment was. I even said, "ALL politicians lie" -- meaning Ryan and Romney included.
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10/12/2012 11:45:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:37:56 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:29:50 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
To counter the blatant bias of other thread, I copied and pasted some analysis about the lies Ryan told.

Ryan: "You know what the unemployment rate in Scranton is today? It"s 10 percent. You know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5 percent. That"s how it"s going all around America."

ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly, and when Obama and Biden took office it was actually 8.4 percent, not 8.5. More important, though, Scranton"s growing unemployment rate is not representative of the rest of the country, where unemployment has dropped from a high of 10 percent in October 2009 to 7.8 percent in September, and was up a little, to 8.1 percent, prior to that.

Ryan: Obama will reduce our Navy to the smallest it has been since before World War I.

Politifact called this absurd, giving it a score of "pants on fire." The basis for the statement"which Romney himself used in January"is the number of ships in the Navy. In 1916, the Navy had 245 ships; as of 2011, the number was 285. Under George W. Bush, the numbers were even lower (down to 278 at one point).


Ryan: "And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they should be safe, legal, and rare, now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said he sympathized with, and would not second-guess, their one-child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme."

Ryan"s claim that the new federal health-care law will use taxpayer funds to pay for abortions is easily disputed. In a July statement, the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the only abortions covered will be those in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother"s life.

I admited in the other thread that Paul Ryan is a lying SOB

You were not the only person who needed to be corrected.

Both politicians as always told bold faced lies. The game is still just a game. And many people here in the US are being played like a fiddle.
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10/12/2012 11:46:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:45:25 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:37:56 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:29:50 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
To counter the blatant bias of other thread, I copied and pasted some analysis about the lies Ryan told.

Ryan: "You know what the unemployment rate in Scranton is today? It"s 10 percent. You know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5 percent. That"s how it"s going all around America."

ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly, and when Obama and Biden took office it was actually 8.4 percent, not 8.5. More important, though, Scranton"s growing unemployment rate is not representative of the rest of the country, where unemployment has dropped from a high of 10 percent in October 2009 to 7.8 percent in September, and was up a little, to 8.1 percent, prior to that.

Ryan: Obama will reduce our Navy to the smallest it has been since before World War I.

Politifact called this absurd, giving it a score of "pants on fire." The basis for the statement"which Romney himself used in January"is the number of ships in the Navy. In 1916, the Navy had 245 ships; as of 2011, the number was 285. Under George W. Bush, the numbers were even lower (down to 278 at one point).


Ryan: "And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they should be safe, legal, and rare, now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said he sympathized with, and would not second-guess, their one-child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme."

Ryan"s claim that the new federal health-care law will use taxpayer funds to pay for abortions is easily disputed. In a July statement, the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the only abortions covered will be those in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother"s life.

I admited in the other thread that Paul Ryan is a lying SOB

You were not the only person who needed to be corrected.

Both politicians as always told bold faced lies. The game is still just a game. And many people here in the US are being played like a fiddle.

I am well aware that both sides are liars. Apparently the rest of DDO is not because they think that only Biden lied.
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10/12/2012 11:46:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:46:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:45:25 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:37:56 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:29:50 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
To counter the blatant bias of other thread, I copied and pasted some analysis about the lies Ryan told.

Ryan: "You know what the unemployment rate in Scranton is today? It"s 10 percent. You know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5 percent. That"s how it"s going all around America."

ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly, and when Obama and Biden took office it was actually 8.4 percent, not 8.5. More important, though, Scranton"s growing unemployment rate is not representative of the rest of the country, where unemployment has dropped from a high of 10 percent in October 2009 to 7.8 percent in September, and was up a little, to 8.1 percent, prior to that.

Ryan: Obama will reduce our Navy to the smallest it has been since before World War I.

Politifact called this absurd, giving it a score of "pants on fire." The basis for the statement"which Romney himself used in January"is the number of ships in the Navy. In 1916, the Navy had 245 ships; as of 2011, the number was 285. Under George W. Bush, the numbers were even lower (down to 278 at one point).


Ryan: "And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they should be safe, legal, and rare, now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said he sympathized with, and would not second-guess, their one-child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme."

Ryan"s claim that the new federal health-care law will use taxpayer funds to pay for abortions is easily disputed. In a July statement, the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the only abortions covered will be those in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother"s life.

I admited in the other thread that Paul Ryan is a lying SOB

You were not the only person who needed to be corrected.

Both politicians as always told bold faced lies. The game is still just a game. And many people here in the US are being played like a fiddle.

I am well aware that both sides are liars. Apparently the rest of DDO is not because they think that only Biden lied.

+1. Ryan had his share of lies as well.
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10/12/2012 11:48:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:46:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:45:25 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:37:56 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:29:50 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
To counter the blatant bias of other thread, I copied and pasted some analysis about the lies Ryan told.

Ryan: "You know what the unemployment rate in Scranton is today? It"s 10 percent. You know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5 percent. That"s how it"s going all around America."

ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly, and when Obama and Biden took office it was actually 8.4 percent, not 8.5. More important, though, Scranton"s growing unemployment rate is not representative of the rest of the country, where unemployment has dropped from a high of 10 percent in October 2009 to 7.8 percent in September, and was up a little, to 8.1 percent, prior to that.

Ryan: Obama will reduce our Navy to the smallest it has been since before World War I.

Politifact called this absurd, giving it a score of "pants on fire." The basis for the statement"which Romney himself used in January"is the number of ships in the Navy. In 1916, the Navy had 245 ships; as of 2011, the number was 285. Under George W. Bush, the numbers were even lower (down to 278 at one point).


Ryan: "And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they should be safe, legal, and rare, now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said he sympathized with, and would not second-guess, their one-child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme."

Ryan"s claim that the new federal health-care law will use taxpayer funds to pay for abortions is easily disputed. In a July statement, the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the only abortions covered will be those in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother"s life.

I admited in the other thread that Paul Ryan is a lying SOB

You were not the only person who needed to be corrected.

Both politicians as always told bold faced lies. The game is still just a game. And many people here in the US are being played like a fiddle.

I am well aware that both sides are liars. Apparently the rest of DDO is not because they think that only Biden lied.

Partisanship is obvious, and the faithful will take their sides. One side will say this guy won, and the other will do the same. But it is just entertainment for the masses. AND if you count just how many people watched last nights debate, you will realize just how happy all of the big 3 networks and cable news media outlets are today. =)
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10/12/2012 11:48:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:46:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

I am well aware that both sides are liars. Apparently the rest of DDO is not because they think that only Biden lied.

http://24.media.tumblr.com...
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10/12/2012 11:53:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Is Roy going to drop in or is this just going to be another liberal-tarian circlejerk?
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10/12/2012 11:54:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly

Nope, it's 10.0. Look it up yourself.

http://data.bls.gov...
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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10/12/2012 12:05:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:54:02 AM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly

Nope, it's 10.0. Look it up yourself.

http://data.bls.gov...

And Biden agreed with him on that number.
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10/12/2012 12:07:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 12:05:38 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:54:02 AM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/12/2012 11:23:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
ABC"s Jon Karl is a stickler for the numbers. Ryan was close on the unemployment rate of Scranton, Penn.: it"s 9.6 percent, not 10, exactly

Nope, it's 10.0. Look it up yourself.

http://data.bls.gov...

And Biden agreed with him on that number.

Probably not the best to start a fact-checking thread with a 'fact' that is undeniably wrong.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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10/12/2012 12:20:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/12/2012 11:24:43 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
RYAN: "What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they"re doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They"re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals."

THE FACTS: The requirement under the health care law that most employers cover birth control free of charge to female employees does not apply to churches, houses of worship, or other institutions directly involved in propagating a religious faith. It does apply to church-affiliated institutions such as hospitals and charities that serve the general public.

We can always close all our hospitals if somehow it will serve a community better to have no health care available.
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10/15/2012 2:31:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ryan"s claim that the new federal health-care law will use taxpayer funds to pay for abortions is easily disputed. In a July statement, the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the only abortions covered will be those in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother"s life.
Taxpayer funds will cover only these abortions--> taxpayer funds will cover abortions. It's simple logic. You need to learn what "lie" means. It doesn't mean "gives impressions other than reality" it means "knowingly makes statements in conflict with reality." This doesn't apply to approximations like the unemployment numbers either like knowingly. For example a lie would be "Taxpayer funds will not cover abortions."

It does apply to church-affiliated institutions such as hospitals and charities that serve the general public.
If you infringe on church property you infringe on the church QED.
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10/15/2012 2:31:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This doesn't apply to approximations like the unemployment numbers either like knowingly

Should read

This doesn't apply to approximations like the unemployment numbers either due to "knowingly."
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