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R0b1Billion
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10/14/2012 5:33:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't want to see Romney in office. There are many here who think like me, and a roughly equatable number of people who feel the opposite and want Obama's reign to end. I would feel comfortable in assuming that most of our motivation comes not from being overwhelmed by the qualities of either candidate, but by being

1) limited to only 2 choices and
2) appalled at the idea of the "wrong one" getting into power.

This thinking has to stop. Sure, we won't change the world by "wasting" our votes on a candidate with no chance of winning, but at least we can feel secure in our principles that we didn't lower ourselves to the level of the ordinary political ignoramous who will either not vote at all or at best accept the false dichotomy and pick a side. If enough people vote and DON'T vote for either one, that will send a useful message to our government that WE AREN'T HAPPY. By voting for Obama or Romney, you are cementing your loss of a choice because the government can just assume you are complacent with the system and business as usual will be possible.

Think about it and sign below. I would say a vote for Ron Paul would be a very good alternative, since he will garner thousands of votes anyway, but the important thing is that you

1) Vote, and
2) don't vote for Romney or Obama.

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10/14/2012 5:34:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
*sigh*
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10/14/2012 5:38:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm voting for Romney, because I like his ideas on economic/domestic policy.

And, because a vote for Ron Paul won't do anything except make my vote effectively meaningless.

And, because I don't really know Ron Paul's stances, or record.
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10/14/2012 5:41:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 5:38:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
I'm voting for Romney, because I like his ideas on economic/domestic policy.

And, because a vote for Ron Paul won't do anything except make my vote effectively meaningless.

And, because I don't really know Ron Paul's stances, or record.

Ron Paul is in the ballot? On what party?
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10/14/2012 5:43:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 5:41:22 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:38:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
I'm voting for Romney, because I like his ideas on economic/domestic policy.

And, because a vote for Ron Paul won't do anything except make my vote effectively meaningless.

And, because I don't really know Ron Paul's stances, or record.

Ron Paul is in the ballot? On what party?

Write-in vote.
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10/14/2012 5:44:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 5:43:12 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:41:22 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:38:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
I'm voting for Romney, because I like his ideas on economic/domestic policy.

And, because a vote for Ron Paul won't do anything except make my vote effectively meaningless.

And, because I don't really know Ron Paul's stances, or record.

Ron Paul is in the ballot? On what party?

Write-in vote.

Ah. Do they even count those?
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10/14/2012 5:50:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 5:44:03 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:43:12 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:41:22 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:38:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
I'm voting for Romney, because I like his ideas on economic/domestic policy.

And, because a vote for Ron Paul won't do anything except make my vote effectively meaningless.

And, because I don't really know Ron Paul's stances, or record.

Ron Paul is in the ballot? On what party?

Write-in vote.

Ah. Do they even count those?

yes...
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10/14/2012 6:27:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 5:44:03 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:43:12 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:41:22 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:38:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
I'm voting for Romney, because I like his ideas on economic/domestic policy.

And, because a vote for Ron Paul won't do anything except make my vote effectively meaningless.

And, because I don't really know Ron Paul's stances, or record.

Ron Paul is in the ballot? On what party?

Write-in vote.

Ah. Do they even count those?

*Face-palm.*

There's no hope for society...
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10/14/2012 6:28:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 6:27:07 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:44:03 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:43:12 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:41:22 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:38:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
I'm voting for Romney, because I like his ideas on economic/domestic policy.

And, because a vote for Ron Paul won't do anything except make my vote effectively meaningless.

And, because I don't really know Ron Paul's stances, or record.

Ron Paul is in the ballot? On what party?

Write-in vote.

Ah. Do they even count those?

*Face-palm.*

There's no hope for society...

Not with people writing-in their vote!
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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10/14/2012 6:40:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 6:28:22 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:27:07 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:44:03 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:43:12 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:41:22 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:38:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
I'm voting for Romney, because I like his ideas on economic/domestic policy.

And, because a vote for Ron Paul won't do anything except make my vote effectively meaningless.

And, because I don't really know Ron Paul's stances, or record.

Ron Paul is in the ballot? On what party?

Write-in vote.

Ah. Do they even count those?

*Face-palm.*

There's no hope for society...

Not with people writing-in their vote!

This being said under the foolish assumption that a 3rd part candidate could never win, because they're not on FOX or CNN.
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10/14/2012 6:43:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 6:40:18 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
This being said under the foolish assumption that a 3rd part candidate could never win, because they're not on FOX or CNN.

No, that being said under the rational assumption that a 3rd party candidate has no chance of winning this election.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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10/14/2012 6:43:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 6:40:18 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:28:22 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:27:07 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:44:03 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:43:12 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:41:22 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:38:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
I'm voting for Romney, because I like his ideas on economic/domestic policy.

And, because a vote for Ron Paul won't do anything except make my vote effectively meaningless.

And, because I don't really know Ron Paul's stances, or record.

Ron Paul is in the ballot? On what party?

Write-in vote.

Ah. Do they even count those?

*Face-palm.*

There's no hope for society...

Not with people writing-in their vote!

This being said under the foolish assumption that a 3rd part candidate could never win, because they're not on FOX or CNN.

No, the assumption is based off the fact that they rarely get even 5% of the vote.
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10/14/2012 6:45:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 6:43:39 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:40:18 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:28:22 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:27:07 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:44:03 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:43:12 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:41:22 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 5:38:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
I'm voting for Romney, because I like his ideas on economic/domestic policy.

And, because a vote for Ron Paul won't do anything except make my vote effectively meaningless.

And, because I don't really know Ron Paul's stances, or record.

Ron Paul is in the ballot? On what party?

Write-in vote.

Ah. Do they even count those?

*Face-palm.*

There's no hope for society...

Not with people writing-in their vote!

This being said under the foolish assumption that a 3rd part candidate could never win, because they're not on FOX or CNN.

No, the assumption is based off the fact that they rarely get even 5% of the vote.

That's because there aren't enough posts like the OP....
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
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The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
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10/14/2012 6:47:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 6:45:17 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
That's because there aren't enough posts like the OP....

That's pretty much it. No 3rd party candidate has a chance at winning this election, because there aren't enough people who are going to vote for a 3rd party candidate this election.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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10/14/2012 6:55:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 6:47:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:45:17 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
That's because there aren't enough posts like the OP....

That's pretty much it. No 3rd party candidate has a chance at winning this election, because there aren't enough people who are going to vote for a 3rd party candidate this election.

You aren't suggesting that if the media focused on Ron Paul and JIll Stein, that people would still vote either Romney or Obama into office, are you?
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
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The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
- - - Watts
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10/14/2012 6:58:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 6:55:19 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:47:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:45:17 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
That's because there aren't enough posts like the OP....

That's pretty much it. No 3rd party candidate has a chance at winning this election, because there aren't enough people who are going to vote for a 3rd party candidate this election.

You aren't suggesting that if the media focused on Ron Paul and JIll Stein, that people would still vote either Romney or Obama into office, are you?

Probably still. They would have higher percentage though. Anyways, they would have focused/would focus on Gary Johnson anyways if they were gonna.
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10/14/2012 6:58:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 6:55:19 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:47:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:45:17 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
That's because there aren't enough posts like the OP....

That's pretty much it. No 3rd party candidate has a chance at winning this election, because there aren't enough people who are going to vote for a 3rd party candidate this election.

You aren't suggesting that if the media focused on Ron Paul and JIll Stein, that people would still vote either Romney or Obama into office, are you?

I don't think they would stand a chance. It's not just the media. Most people don't vote the way they do because of the media.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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10/14/2012 7:01:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 6:58:12 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:55:19 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:47:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:45:17 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
That's because there aren't enough posts like the OP....

That's pretty much it. No 3rd party candidate has a chance at winning this election, because there aren't enough people who are going to vote for a 3rd party candidate this election.

You aren't suggesting that if the media focused on Ron Paul and JIll Stein, that people would still vote either Romney or Obama into office, are you?

I don't think they would stand a chance. It's not just the media. Most people don't vote the way they do because of the media.
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
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The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
- - - Watts
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10/14/2012 7:05:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 7:01:31 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:58:12 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:55:19 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:47:11 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:45:17 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
That's because there aren't enough posts like the OP....

That's pretty much it. No 3rd party candidate has a chance at winning this election, because there aren't enough people who are going to vote for a 3rd party candidate this election.

You aren't suggesting that if the media focused on Ron Paul and JIll Stein, that people would still vote either Romney or Obama into office, are you?

I don't think they would stand a chance. It's not just the media. Most people don't vote the way they do because of the media.

What logic!

http://www.nytimes.com...

People vote for 'their' party.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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10/14/2012 7:05:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 6:58:12 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

I don't think they would stand a chance. It's not just the media. Most people don't vote the way they do because of the media.

lol
kfc
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10/14/2012 7:08:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 7:05:48 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:58:12 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

I don't think they would stand a chance. It's not just the media. Most people don't vote the way they do because of the media.

lol

Sorry bro. The majority of people vote for Republicans, or they vote for Democrats, and they do it election after election after election. They aren't changing their votes based on anything, because they already know they are in the 'right' party.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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10/14/2012 7:10:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 7:08:44 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 7:05:48 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:58:12 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

I don't think they would stand a chance. It's not just the media. Most people don't vote the way they do because of the media.

lol

Sorry bro. The majority of people vote for Republicans, or they vote for Democrats, and they do it election after election after election. They aren't changing their votes based on anything, because they already know they are in the 'right' party.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
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- - - Watts
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10/14/2012 7:11:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 7:10:13 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 7:08:44 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 7:05:48 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:58:12 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

I don't think they would stand a chance. It's not just the media. Most people don't vote the way they do because of the media.

lol

Sorry bro. The majority of people vote for Republicans, or they vote for Democrats, and they do it election after election after election. They aren't changing their votes based on anything, because they already know they are in the 'right' party.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Ok... show me evidence otherwise, because that's what I've seen.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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10/14/2012 7:18:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 7:11:22 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 7:10:13 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 7:08:44 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/14/2012 7:05:48 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 10/14/2012 6:58:12 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

I don't think they would stand a chance. It's not just the media. Most people don't vote the way they do because of the media.

lol

Sorry bro. The majority of people vote for Republicans, or they vote for Democrats, and they do it election after election after election. They aren't changing their votes based on anything, because they already know they are in the 'right' party.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Ok... show me evidence otherwise, because that's what I've seen.

For absolute starters, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both very authoritarian and very right wing candidates, but Obama is ever so slightly left of Romney with women's rights and healthcare, so the media has the majority of the populous believing him to be a democratic candidate. So how exactly are the people going to vote either republican or democrat, when the media won't even recognize an actual democrat as a candidate? Without the media, most people wouldn't even know about the presidential election in the first place, let alone what candidates are available. And since the media provides America's main source of information, it can sensationalize everything and get away with it unscathed, because what outlet exists to provide information that refutes what the media tells us? There isn't any... other than newspapers which almost focus exclusively on local news.
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- - - Watts
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10/14/2012 7:24:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The whole idea that two parties rule the political game is ridiculous. It's like saying that there are 3 types of people in this world: White, Black, Asian. That would be ludicrous because like political ideals, there are nearly infinite variables that portray what type of person each individual is. The only reason we think that two parties are more popular is because those with corporate interest hold all the power to fund the parties that best suit their interests, which translates to media bias. Compare Obama to Romney, then compare him to Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul... the latter candidates are quite, quite different and when looked at this way you can see that Romney and Obama are very very closely knit in the political spectrum.
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- - - Watts
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10/15/2012 2:08:30 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
DO NOT write in Ron Paul. Some states will either not count the vote or it will void the ballot.

Vote for Gary Johnson. Period. That's the ONLY choice.

http://www.examiner.com...
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10/15/2012 2:22:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 2:08:30 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
DO NOT write in Ron Paul. Some states will either not count the vote or it will void the ballot.

Vote for Gary Johnson. Period. That's the ONLY choice.

http://www.examiner.com...

Still basically a wasted vote.

To be fair, in some states a vote for Obama or Romney is also basically a wasted vote.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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10/15/2012 2:28:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 2:22:19 AM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/15/2012 2:08:30 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
DO NOT write in Ron Paul. Some states will either not count the vote or it will void the ballot.

Vote for Gary Johnson. Period. That's the ONLY choice.

http://www.examiner.com...

Still basically a wasted vote.

"A vote for freedom is never a wasted vote."
-- Gary Johnson

"If everyone wasted their vote on me, I would become the next President of the United States."
-- Gary Johnson

To be fair, in some states a vote for Obama or Romney is also basically a wasted vote.

A vote for Obamney, who is already going to win with or without your vote, IS a wasted vote.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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10/15/2012 3:08:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 2:28:23 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/15/2012 2:22:19 AM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 10/15/2012 2:08:30 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
DO NOT write in Ron Paul. Some states will either not count the vote or it will void the ballot.

Vote for Gary Johnson. Period. That's the ONLY choice.

http://www.examiner.com...

Still basically a wasted vote.

"A vote for freedom is never a wasted vote."
-- Gary Johnson

Haha, nice. Means nothing. My vote will not get Johnson elected. My vote will not convince anybody else to vote for Johnson. Johnson will not get elected, therefore, my vote for Johnson would only serve to eliminate the meaning of my vote in voting for Romney/against Obama.

"If everyone wasted their vote on me, I would become the next President of the United States."
-- Gary Johnson

True, but that's not going to happen. What I do with my vote doesn't change what other people do with their votes. Furthermore, if I decide to vote for Johnson anyway, that won't do anything to change the fact that he won't get elected.

To be fair, in some states a vote for Obama or Romney is also basically a wasted vote.

A vote for Obamney, who is already going to win with or without your vote, IS a wasted vote.

And how do you know Obama is going to win?

He's losing more and more in the polls...
twocupcakes: 15 = 13