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Does American culture promote psychopathy?

OMGJustinBieber
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10/15/2012 5:01:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm talking mainstream media - shows and movies. With the release of "Seven Psychopaths" the question got me thinking. It's far from isolated, I don't watch a ton of TV but in "Always Sunny" it seems most if not all of the main characters are essentially psychopaths. Tucker Max is probably another example. There's plenty more examples, but it would seem that psychopathy fascinates us and sells: it allows us entrance into a life totally free from social or moral norms. I'm not disputing that it's fascinating.

Let's take a look at the checklist:

The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:

glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

I'm certainly not saying that anyone is arguing that psychopathy is good, but rather that repeated displays of it in the media have a tendency to glorify a condition that's unbelievably destructive to civilization.
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10/15/2012 5:04:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:01:53 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I'm talking mainstream media - shows and movies. With the release of "Seven Psychopaths" the question got me thinking. It's far from isolated, I don't watch a ton of TV but in "Always Sunny" it seems most if not all of the main characters are essentially psychopaths. Tucker Max is probably another example. There's plenty more examples, but it would seem that psychopathy fascinates us and sells: it allows us entrance into a life totally free from social or moral norms. I'm not disputing that it's fascinating.

Let's take a look at the checklist:

The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:

glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

I'm certainly not saying that anyone is arguing that psychopathy is good, but rather that repeated displays of it in the media have a tendency to glorify a condition that's unbelievably destructive to civilization.:

Sounds like human behavior, not exclusively American behavior.
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10/15/2012 5:07:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:04:53 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:01:53 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I'm talking mainstream media - shows and movies. With the release of "Seven Psychopaths" the question got me thinking. It's far from isolated, I don't watch a ton of TV but in "Always Sunny" it seems most if not all of the main characters are essentially psychopaths. Tucker Max is probably another example. There's plenty more examples, but it would seem that psychopathy fascinates us and sells: it allows us entrance into a life totally free from social or moral norms. I'm not disputing that it's fascinating.

Let's take a look at the checklist:

The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:

glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

I'm certainly not saying that anyone is arguing that psychopathy is good, but rather that repeated displays of it in the media have a tendency to glorify a condition that's unbelievably destructive to civilization.:

Sounds like human behavior, not exclusively American behavior.

I don't mean to single out the Americans, I can really only comment on American culture because I live here.
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10/15/2012 5:14:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:01:53 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I'm talking mainstream media - shows and movies. With the release of "Seven Psychopaths" the question got me thinking. It's far from isolated, I don't watch a ton of TV but in "Always Sunny" it seems most if not all of the main characters are essentially psychopaths. Tucker Max is probably another example. There's plenty more examples, but it would seem that psychopathy fascinates us and sells: it allows us entrance into a life totally free from social or moral norms. I'm not disputing that it's fascinating.

Let's take a look at the checklist:

The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:

glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

I'm certainly not saying that anyone is arguing that psychopathy is good, but rather that repeated displays of it in the media have a tendency to glorify a condition that's unbelievably destructive to civilization.

Always Sunny is a satire of the self centeredness of American culture. You'd have to have just glanced at it for a second and then walked away to not pick up on that.
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10/15/2012 5:15:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I wouldn't target "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia." In fact, I would give it credit for being one of the few shows that doesn't glorify psychopathic behavior. It exposes psychopathic behavior and shows why it fails everytime.

"It's Always Sunny" is pure quality in entertainment and message.
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10/15/2012 5:17:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:14:40 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Always Sunny is a satire of the self centeredness of American culture. You'd have to have just glanced at it for a second and then walked away to not pick up on that.

Beat me to it, well said.
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10/15/2012 5:19:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:15:55 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I wouldn't target "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia." In fact, I would give it credit for being one of the few shows that doesn't glorify psychopathic behavior. It exposes psychopathic behavior and shows why it fails everytime.

"It's Always Sunny" is pure quality in entertainment and message.

Wow that's a strange thing to agree on, but yes. And although I haven't seen 7 Psychopaths, I have to assume that most of the characters aren't portrayed as "good" or "favorable" people.
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10/15/2012 5:22:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I like "Always Sunny" and I don't want to get bogged down on one individual case. Again, the issue is not whether people are directly saying that psychopathy is good, but whether the film, book, or show has the effect of glorifying psychopathic behavior. It doesn't matter if the psychopath "gets it in the end" - it's whether he's portrayed as that kind of alpha-male that people emulate.

Not to sound to like a feminist, but I really think the relationship between hyper-masculinity and psychopathy is fascinating.
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10/15/2012 5:26:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:22:54 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I like "Always Sunny" and I don't want to get bogged down on one individual case. Again, the issue is not whether people are directly saying that psychopathy is good, but whether the film, book, or show has the effect of glorifying psychopathic behavior. It doesn't matter if the psychopath "gets it in the end" - it's whether he's portrayed as that kind of alpha-male that people emulate.

Not to sound to like a feminist, but I really think the relationship between hyper-masculinity and psychopathy is fascinating.

I always thought Psychopaths tend to act like people that might be gay....like, more feminine.
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10/15/2012 5:29:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:26:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:22:54 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I like "Always Sunny" and I don't want to get bogged down on one individual case. Again, the issue is not whether people are directly saying that psychopathy is good, but whether the film, book, or show has the effect of glorifying psychopathic behavior. It doesn't matter if the psychopath "gets it in the end" - it's whether he's portrayed as that kind of alpha-male that people emulate.

Not to sound to like a feminist, but I really think the relationship between hyper-masculinity and psychopathy is fascinating.

I always thought Psychopaths tend to act like people that might be gay....like, more feminine.

I don't think so.
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10/15/2012 5:31:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:29:10 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:26:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:22:54 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I like "Always Sunny" and I don't want to get bogged down on one individual case. Again, the issue is not whether people are directly saying that psychopathy is good, but whether the film, book, or show has the effect of glorifying psychopathic behavior. It doesn't matter if the psychopath "gets it in the end" - it's whether he's portrayed as that kind of alpha-male that people emulate.

Not to sound to like a feminist, but I really think the relationship between hyper-masculinity and psychopathy is fascinating.

I always thought Psychopaths tend to act like people that might be gay....like, more feminine.

I don't think so.

Now, where the hell am I suppose to take this from that?
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10/15/2012 5:37:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:31:08 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:29:10 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:26:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:22:54 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I like "Always Sunny" and I don't want to get bogged down on one individual case. Again, the issue is not whether people are directly saying that psychopathy is good, but whether the film, book, or show has the effect of glorifying psychopathic behavior. It doesn't matter if the psychopath "gets it in the end" - it's whether he's portrayed as that kind of alpha-male that people emulate.

Not to sound to like a feminist, but I really think the relationship between hyper-masculinity and psychopathy is fascinating.

I always thought Psychopaths tend to act like people that might be gay....like, more feminine.

I don't think so.

Now, where the hell am I suppose to take this from that?

Do you want proof? Find hyper-masculine characters or people: Have you read the Watchmen comics? Take the Comedian. The character traits are basically identical with psychopathy. That's the clearest example I know, but perhaps we could also group in Christian Bale in American Psycho (haven't seen the movie) or Mike Tyson in the 80s.

Of course there are female psychopaths, but I think they have male brains. The psychopath views people as objects - look into neuroscience that's the sign of an extremely male brain. The other end is treating everything as if it had feelings.
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10/15/2012 5:40:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:37:26 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:31:08 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:29:10 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:26:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:22:54 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I like "Always Sunny" and I don't want to get bogged down on one individual case. Again, the issue is not whether people are directly saying that psychopathy is good, but whether the film, book, or show has the effect of glorifying psychopathic behavior. It doesn't matter if the psychopath "gets it in the end" - it's whether he's portrayed as that kind of alpha-male that people emulate.

Not to sound to like a feminist, but I really think the relationship between hyper-masculinity and psychopathy is fascinating.

I always thought Psychopaths tend to act like people that might be gay....like, more feminine.

I don't think so.

Now, where the hell am I suppose to take this from that?

Do you want proof? Find hyper-masculine characters or people: Have you read the Watchmen comics? Take the Comedian. The character traits are basically identical with psychopathy. That's the clearest example I know, but perhaps we could also group in Christian Bale in American Psycho (haven't seen the movie) or Mike Tyson in the 80s.

Of course there are female psychopaths, but I think they have male brains. The psychopath views people as objects - look into neuroscience that's the sign of an extremely male brain. The other end is treating everything as if it had feelings.

And you say don't take me as a feminist......
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10/15/2012 5:41:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:38:38 PM, FREEDO wrote:
American culture is the result of psychopathy.

Result is the culture of psychopathic Americans.
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10/16/2012 12:22:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/15/2012 5:41:00 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 10/15/2012 5:38:38 PM, FREEDO wrote:
American culture is the result of psychopathy.

Result is the culture of psychopathic Americans.

Culture is the American result of psychopenis culture culture culture culture.
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