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10/19/2012 11:44:52 PM
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If you were to re-design Congress, or re-create Congress, what changes will you make and why?
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10/20/2012 12:00:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/19/2012 11:44:52 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If you were to re-design Congress, or re-create Congress, what changes will you make and why?

Make it a low paying part time job. I'd also let states pick senators again
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10/20/2012 12:49:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 12:00:15 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 10/19/2012 11:44:52 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If you were to re-design Congress, or re-create Congress, what changes will you make and why?

Make it a low paying part time job. I'd also let states pick senators again

Basically this...

The goal is to make it, as much as possible, so it's not a desirable position in terms of power or wealth. Members of congress should be public servants. I'm pretty sure at least half of the members of congress are millionaires, almost all of them are in the top 1%, so it doesn't take a genius to realize that something is fundamentally screwed up there. I would do something about lobbyists and the problem of wealthy business/financial interests literally buying protection under legislation, though I'm not sure how I could do this. Maybe also do away with term limits to avoid the problems associated with lame ducks who don't have to worry about re-election and thus don't necessarily give a sh!t about actually representing their constituents because there's no reason for them to do so.
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10/20/2012 1:36:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/19/2012 11:44:52 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If you were to re-design Congress, or re-create Congress, what changes will you make and why?

kick out all the stupid people for obvious reasons
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10/20/2012 1:22:09 PM
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At 10/20/2012 1:36:55 AM, imabench wrote:
At 10/19/2012 11:44:52 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If you were to re-design Congress, or re-create Congress, what changes will you make and why?

kick out all the stupid people for obvious reasons

isn't that what elections are for
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10/20/2012 1:22:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 12:00:15 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 10/19/2012 11:44:52 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If you were to re-design Congress, or re-create Congress, what changes will you make and why?

Make it a low paying part time job. I'd also let states pick senators again

This!
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10/20/2012 1:22:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 1:22:09 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/20/2012 1:36:55 AM, imabench wrote:
At 10/19/2012 11:44:52 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If you were to re-design Congress, or re-create Congress, what changes will you make and why?

kick out all the stupid people for obvious reasons

isn't that what elections are for

Except that stupid people are the largest voting block in america.
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10/20/2012 1:25:05 PM
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At 10/19/2012 11:44:52 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If you were to re-design Congress, or re-create Congress, what changes will you make and why?

Are we only talking about the rules and structure of congress?
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10/20/2012 1:36:57 PM
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At 10/20/2012 1:22:50 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/20/2012 1:22:09 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/20/2012 1:36:55 AM, imabench wrote:
At 10/19/2012 11:44:52 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If you were to re-design Congress, or re-create Congress, what changes will you make and why?

kick out all the stupid people for obvious reasons

isn't that what elections are for

Except that stupid people are the largest voting block in america.

^^^^^
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10/20/2012 1:39:37 PM
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At 10/20/2012 1:22:50 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/20/2012 1:22:09 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/20/2012 1:36:55 AM, imabench wrote:
At 10/19/2012 11:44:52 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If you were to re-design Congress, or re-create Congress, what changes will you make and why?

kick out all the stupid people for obvious reasons

isn't that what elections are for

Except that the expropriated brainwashed proletariat consumerist hegemony is the largest voting block in america.

Let the anti-revisionist Maxism bashing begin!
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10/20/2012 1:40:10 PM
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Make it a part time job with lower pay. Eliminate the corporate income tax to reduce lobbying efforts, and likewise pursue pro-market policies so that lobbying efforts are reduced (less regulations = less regulatory capture).

And, have a machine or something that every time a member of Congress speaks a lie, a loud ringer goes off. This could be used for all politicians. Unfortunately, that is probably years away.
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10/20/2012 1:46:43 PM
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Make it a low paying part time job. I'd also let states pick senators again

A lot of people want to make it low paying. I disagree. If it was low paying, only rich people who do not need salary could take the job. Giving a decent salary allows for low er income people to pursue a position in congress. Good talented people will not run for congress if it means making less money. Also, people would be more willing to accept a bribe if they were paid less. Also If it was part time, less would get done.
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10/20/2012 1:47:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 1:22:09 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/20/2012 1:36:55 AM, imabench wrote:
At 10/19/2012 11:44:52 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If you were to re-design Congress, or re-create Congress, what changes will you make and why?

kick out all the stupid people for obvious reasons

isn't that what elections are for

The problem is that the voters are also stupid. So they keep voting for dumbasses.
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10/20/2012 1:50:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 1:46:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

Make it a low paying part time job. I'd also let states pick senators again

A lot of people want to make it low paying. I disagree. If it was low paying, only rich people who do not need salary could take the job. Giving a decent salary allows for low er income people to pursue a position in congress. Good talented people will not run for congress if it means making less money. Also, people would be more willing to accept a bribe if they were paid less. Also If it was part time, less would get done.

It pretty much already is part time, given how much time they take off.
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10/20/2012 1:51:59 PM
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At 10/20/2012 1:50:30 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/20/2012 1:46:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

Make it a low paying part time job. I'd also let states pick senators again

A lot of people want to make it low paying. I disagree. If it was low paying, only rich people who do not need salary could take the job. Giving a decent salary allows for low er income people to pursue a position in congress. Good talented people will not run for congress if it means making less money. Also, people would be more willing to accept a bribe if they were paid less. Also If it was part time, less would get done.

It pretty much already is part time, given how much time they take off.

most people in congress have second jobs. Ron Paul still practices medicine.
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10/20/2012 2:01:46 PM
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1) Removal of filibusters
2) Everything must be voted a la carte.
3) All congressmen forfeit their rights to privacy (as do all lobbyists), where all their emails, phone calls, communication in general is recorded and tracked. They work for the people, they are not allowed to keep secrets from them.
4) Every congressperson is paid the median annual wage of american workers +10%, period.
5) All voting is done via instant-runoff voting (for electing congressmen, not how they vote for things).
6) Make it more accessible for states to recall representatives, so that the politicians cannot simply lie their way in and assume they are safe once they make it into office.

I might think of more later.
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10/20/2012 2:02:34 PM
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At 10/20/2012 1:51:59 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/20/2012 1:50:30 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/20/2012 1:46:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

Make it a low paying part time job. I'd also let states pick senators again

A lot of people want to make it low paying. I disagree. If it was low paying, only rich people who do not need salary could take the job. Giving a decent salary allows for low er income people to pursue a position in congress. Good talented people will not run for congress if it means making less money. Also, people would be more willing to accept a bribe if they were paid less. Also If it was part time, less would get done.

It pretty much already is part time, given how much time they take off.

most people in congress have second jobs. Ron Paul still practices medicine.

You'd think by now he'd be good enough that he didn't need to keep practicing.

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10/20/2012 2:10:23 PM
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At 10/20/2012 1:46:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

Make it a low paying part time job. I'd also let states pick senators again

A lot of people want to make it low paying. I disagree. If it was low paying, only rich people who do not need salary could take the job. Giving a decent salary allows for low er income people to pursue a position in congress. Good talented people will not run for congress if it means making less money. Also, people would be more willing to accept a bribe if they were paid less. Also If it was part time, less would get done.

Good theory but how many people make it congress who aren't already wealthy as it is?
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10/20/2012 2:18:10 PM
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If there was any way to eliminate lobbying and kick backs.

Also, I'd do this.
disregard the jackas on the left.
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10/20/2012 2:20:53 PM
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Good theory but how many people make it congress who aren't already wealthy as it is?

A lot are wealthy, but I'm sure there is a good number are not so wealthy that they do not have to work. There are many who still have to support their family. People should not have to reduce their standard of living to serve their country as a congressmen.
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10/20/2012 2:23:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 2:18:10 PM, lewis20 wrote:
If there was any way to eliminate lobbying and kick backs.

Also, I'd do this.
disregard the jackas on the left.




Decisions are based on three factors

1) Benefit of success
2) Cost of failure (in this case, getting caught)
3) Odds of failure vs success.

Do what you can for all three to sway their decisions.
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10/20/2012 3:12:28 PM
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At 10/20/2012 2:20:53 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

Good theory but how many people make it congress who aren't already wealthy as it is?

A lot are wealthy, but I'm sure there is a good number are not so wealthy that they do not have to work. There are many who still have to support their family. People should not have to reduce their standard of living to serve their country as a congressmen.

It's not really serving your country if it's financially lucrative is it? It's more like serving your own financial interests.
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10/20/2012 6:35:23 PM
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At 10/20/2012 6:27:45 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Elections are too expensive to allow poor people to run.

Can't afford to run a campaign?
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10/20/2012 6:36:24 PM
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It's not really serving your country if it's financially lucrative is it? It's more like serving your own financial interests.

I'm thinking of a smart man supporting a family making $150,000 a year as a lawyer, with a mortgage, kids to support, and want to pay for their child's college. How much should congress get paid? Should he and his family live in a lower class so he can serve his country?
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10/20/2012 6:51:53 PM
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At 10/20/2012 6:27:45 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Elections are too expensive to allow poor people to run.

The money is raised through donations. Elections allow the poor to increase their income mobility because they can just embezzle a bunch of their campaign donations.
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10/20/2012 6:53:57 PM
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At 10/20/2012 6:51:53 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/20/2012 6:27:45 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Elections are too expensive to allow poor people to run.

The money is raised through donations. Elections allow the poor to increase their income mobility because they can just embezzle a bunch of their campaign donations.

you're just responding to my post in the economics section. I see what you did there.
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10/20/2012 7:16:30 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks it still should be a full time job? I mean, as a person who likes to follow Congress (via C-SPAN), there's only a couple people that are there at every sitting of Congress. I think making it a part time job would only lower Congressional attendance of debates. And making attendance compulsory would be really retarded, at least with the House.

As for pay...I dunno. I suppose you could lower wages, but not to the point of being unable to live off it. I know that they're public servants, but they're full time public servants, and should be compensated appropriately. I'd say a middle class level wage would be okay. To be honest, there really isn't much I'd have differently, other than maybe a laxer rule system.

However, the ONE THING THAT I WANT TO HAVE TO NO END is all votes having to be recorded votes--no more of that voice vote sh1t. And, for the Senate, implement electronic voting.
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