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A Peaceful Way To Politically Prevent Wars?

pozessed
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10/20/2012 10:28:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Is there any way that countries can allow complete tolerance to other countries faiths, and traditions no matter their ethnicity?
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10/20/2012 11:01:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 10:54:32 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Because people.

People what?
People are greedy?
People are hard to interpret?

because people what?
Mirza
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10/20/2012 11:02:38 PM
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Of course, but it depends on the situation. When the Soviet Union threatened Yugoslavia with confrontation for refusing to join the Soviet block, Tito prevented the conflict by showing mighty resilience of his army and people. When he found out that Stalin attempted to assassinate him with several of his men, Tito responded that if he does that again, only one man will be needed for Tito to blow Stalin out of this life. Yugoslavia was never threatened seriously again. Its army was powerful enough to fight for the last drop, too.

This kind of a war threat is an external one, i.e., one country threatens the peace of the other. It is not very hard to prevent it. After all, numerous countries avoided war with one another despite having serious political conflicts. The Soviet Union and USA; Russian and American forces almost entering a conflict in Kosovo. Et cetera. The very complex issue arises when an internal conflict breaks out in a country, and another country decides to support one of the parties. This is what is happening in Syria right now, and has happened in the various Arab countries over the last two years. Bosnia was similar, but it was not a pure civil war as the corrupt UN and EU attempt to make it look like.
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10/20/2012 11:18:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 11:02:38 PM, Mirza wrote:
The very complex issue arises when an internal conflict breaks out in a country, and another country decides to support one of the parties. This is what is happening in Syria right now, and has happened in the various Arab countries over the last two years. Bosnia was similar, but it was not a pure civil war as the corrupt UN and EU attempt to make it look like.

Do these countries have seemingly similar wars? Is there a single intervention that could resolve 1 or more of these wars peacefully?
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10/20/2012 11:30:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 11:18:08 PM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/20/2012 11:02:38 PM, Mirza wrote:
The very complex issue arises when an internal conflict breaks out in a country, and another country decides to support one of the parties. This is what is happening in Syria right now, and has happened in the various Arab countries over the last two years. Bosnia was similar, but it was not a pure civil war as the corrupt UN and EU attempt to make it look like.

Do these countries have seemingly similar wars? Is there a single intervention that could resolve 1 or more of these wars peacefully?

Probably not. The US spends more money on Iraq and Afghanistan then their countries gdp's (or at least close to it) and still have difficulty keeping the peace, so intervention simply doesn't work. You can't just make people love one another.
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10/20/2012 11:56:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 11:30:55 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/20/2012 11:18:08 PM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/20/2012 11:02:38 PM, Mirza wrote:
The very complex issue arises when an internal conflict breaks out in a country, and another country decides to support one of the parties. This is what is happening in Syria right now, and has happened in the various Arab countries over the last two years. Bosnia was similar, but it was not a pure civil war as the corrupt UN and EU attempt to make it look like.

Do these countries have seemingly similar wars? Is there a single intervention that could resolve 1 or more of these wars peacefully?

Probably not. The US spends more money on Iraq and Afghanistan then their countries gdp's (or at least close to it) and still have difficulty keeping the peace, so intervention simply doesn't work. You can't just make people love one another.

What reasons are holding the US troops there?
What would make them leave?
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10/20/2012 11:58:34 PM
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Nope.
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10/21/2012 12:04:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:00:41 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/20/2012 11:58:34 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Nope.

Nope what?

Noe to your question. There isn't one. People will be d!cks. Sad fact, but a true one.
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10/21/2012 12:08:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 11:18:08 PM, pozessed wrote:
Do these countries have seemingly similar wars? Is there a single intervention that could resolve 1 or more of these wars peacefully?
Intervention can certainly work, but consider a scenario like this one: Serbia and Kosovo enter a war. The US wishes to aid Kosovo, and Russia wishes to aid Serbia. If both were to send combat troops, very little would go well. If, however, only USA went to aid Kosovo, then it would be easier to resolve the conflict.

Some intervention is wrong and idiotic. For example, the UN intervened in the Bosnian war by applying an arms embargo on Bosnia. The Bosnians wanted to defend themselves, and did rightfully so, but everything would have been better without the illegal and catastrophic arms embargo. However, once USA intervened directly in the conflict, things went better. This is not a "peaceful way" per se, but it prevents further conflict, so the outcome is far more peaceful. Bosnia should arm up when its economy booms, and get a mighty army. The people there do not need help of anyone to defend their borders.
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10/21/2012 12:08:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:04:37 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:00:41 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/20/2012 11:58:34 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Nope.

Nope what?

Noe to your question. There isn't one. People will be d!cks. Sad fact, but a true one.

What makes people so "obscene" that we need war?
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10/21/2012 12:13:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:08:25 AM, Mirza wrote:
Intervention can certainly work, but consider a scenario like this one: Serbia and Kosovo enter a war. The US wishes to aid Kosovo, and Russia wishes to aid Serbia. If both were to send combat troops, very little would go well. If, however, only USA went to aid Kosovo, then it would be easier to resolve the conflict.

I would ask; why is Kosovo and Serbia fighting?

Some intervention is wrong and idiotic. For example, the UN intervened in the Bosnian war by applying an arms embargo on Bosnia. The Bosnians wanted to defend themselves, and did rightfully so, but everything would have been better without the illegal and catastrophic arms embargo. However, once USA intervened directly in the conflict, things went better. This is not a "peaceful way" per se, but it prevents further conflict, so the outcome is far more peaceful. Bosnia should arm up when its economy booms, and get a mighty army. The people there do not need help of anyone to defend their borders.

Why couldn't we just send the money to Bosnia with a plan in place to boost their economy?
I know it's not a perfect world, I'm just asking questions.
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10/21/2012 12:15:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:08:37 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:04:37 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:00:41 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/20/2012 11:58:34 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Nope.

Nope what?

Noe to your question. There isn't one. People will be d!cks. Sad fact, but a true one.

What makes people so "obscene" that we need war?

I dunno, but people can be that obscene. To deny that war is needed in some cases is to just be ignorant.
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10/21/2012 12:17:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:13:01 AM, pozessed wrote:
I would ask; why is Kosovo and Serbia fighting?
Geographical issues. Both claim sovereignty over the land of Kosovo. The Serbians think that it belongs to them, historically, while the Kosovo-Albanians believe they have the same right -- even more than the Serbians. It was Jozip Broz Tito who gave Kosovo an autonomic status during his reign in Yugoslavia.

Why couldn't we just send the money to Bosnia with a plan in place to boost their economy?
I know it's not a perfect world, I'm just asking questions.
Money is already being sent, and Bosnia is highly corrupt, which makes insanely large amounts of money fall into the wrong hands. Foreign aid is not the solution to the problems. Removal of the two entities, limiting the power of the central government, and fighting corruption are all one of the key tactics in solving Bosnia's problems. Foreign aid is not necessary, nor any military intervention in case of conflict. (Which is unlikely to happen. Bosnians defended themselves starting with knives AND dealing with an arms embargo, while facing a very powerful army. The tides would turn this time.)
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10/21/2012 12:19:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:08:37 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:04:37 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:00:41 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/20/2012 11:58:34 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Nope.

Nope what?

Noe to your question. There isn't one. People will be d!cks. Sad fact, but a true one.

What makes people so "obscene" that we need war?

The fact that people are people is what makes us obscene. We're horrible. Straight and true.
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10/21/2012 12:32:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:19:38 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:08:37 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:04:37 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:00:41 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/20/2012 11:58:34 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Nope.

Nope what?

Noe to your question. There isn't one. People will be d!cks. Sad fact, but a true one.

What makes people so "obscene" that we need war?

The fact that people are people is what makes us obscene. We're horrible. Straight and true.

Does that mean that your horrible and obscene in the ways were trying to describe? How about the majority of your family and friends?
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10/21/2012 12:34:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:32:17 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:19:38 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:08:37 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:04:37 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:00:41 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/20/2012 11:58:34 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Nope.

Nope what?

Noe to your question. There isn't one. People will be d!cks. Sad fact, but a true one.

What makes people so "obscene" that we need war?

The fact that people are people is what makes us obscene. We're horrible. Straight and true.

Does that mean that your horrible and obscene in the ways were trying to describe? How about the majority of your family and friends?

No, but enough people are.
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10/21/2012 12:38:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:17:17 AM, Mirza wrote:
Geographical issues. Both claim sovereignty over the land of Kosovo. The Serbians think that it belongs to them, historically, while the Kosovo-Albanians believe they have the same right -- even more than the Serbians. It was Jozip Broz Tito who gave Kosovo an autonomic status during his reign in Yugoslavia.
There is no compromise? Are these not people with faith in God? (not religion)

Money is already being sent, and Bosnia is highly corrupt, which makes insanely large amounts of money fall into the wrong hands. Foreign aid is not the solution to the problems. Removal of the two entities, limiting the power of the central government, and fighting corruption are all one of the key tactics in solving Bosnia's problems. Foreign aid is not necessary, nor any military intervention in case of conflict. (Which is unlikely to happen. Bosnians defended themselves starting with knives AND dealing with an arms embargo, while facing a very powerful army. The tides would turn this time.)

If money is falling into the hands of the corrupt a better plan should be put into place to better distribute it, obviously..

What are the objectives of the other 2 entities? Why haven't they been stopped yet?
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10/21/2012 12:40:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:34:07 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:32:17 AM, pozessed wrote:
Does that mean that your horrible and obscene in the ways were trying to describe? How about the majority of your family and friends?

No, but enough people are.

My intuition tells me there are more decent people in the world than those of this "obscene" culture.
If there are more of us than them why do the obscene have so much control?
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10/21/2012 12:44:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:38:34 AM, pozessed wrote:
There is no compromise? Are these not people with faith in God? (not religion)
They are. None of them want war. But neither want to lose land either. They have different religions, but that does not create disputes between them.

If money is falling into the hands of the corrupt a better plan should be put into place to better distribute it, obviously..

What are the objectives of the other 2 entities? Why haven't they been stopped yet?
There are two entities, one with the federal government, the other with a government forming the laws of the respective entity. The federal land has cantons, each having its more limited form of government. The reason why the entities are still here is because they are the result of a peace declaration (aka the Dayton Agreement), which was signed by former leaders of the countries at war. The agreement was to split Bosnia into two parts, one belonging mostly to the Croats and Bosniaks, the other to the Serbs. This is devastating, and hinders progress. I think we might see a change sometime soon, once the West realized that this non-federal entity is based on genocide and ethnic cleansing.
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10/21/2012 12:45:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:40:54 AM, pozessed wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:34:07 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:32:17 AM, pozessed wrote:
Does that mean that your horrible and obscene in the ways were trying to describe? How about the majority of your family and friends?

No, but enough people are.

My intuition tells me there are more decent people in the world than those of this "obscene" culture.
If there are more of us than them why do the obscene have so much control?

I have no idea what the ratio is, but the obscene don't have the much control.

Anyways, this is all extremely subjective.
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10/21/2012 12:52:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:44:18 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:38:34 AM, pozessed wrote:
They are. None of them want war. But neither want to lose land either. They have different religions, but that does not create disputes between them.

Good, then we shouldn't have to much worry with that scenario then. I believe people who have a strong faith in God, and also believes in compromise, will be able to show compassion and reach an agreement.
Hopefully both sides are filled with enough intelligence and understanding to help resolve the situations that occur.

What are the objectives of the other 2 entities? Why haven't they been stopped yet?
There are two entities, one with the federal government, the other with a government forming the laws of the respective entity. The federal land has cantons, each having its more limited form of government. The reason why the entities are still here is because they are the result of a peace declaration (aka the Dayton Agreement), which was signed by former leaders of the countries at war. The agreement was to split Bosnia into two parts, one belonging mostly to the Croats and Bosniaks, the other to the Serbs. This is devastating, and hinders progress. I think we might see a change sometime soon, once the West realized that this non-federal entity is based on genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Seeing as it's close to the same scenario as above, I'd just like to reference my last statements.
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10/21/2012 12:57:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 10:28:44 PM, pozessed wrote:
Is there any way that countries can allow complete tolerance to other countries faiths, and traditions no matter their ethnicity?

A Global Trade Federation, responsible for keeping trade between nations free, and providing a common currency, as well as a uniform language (preferably English, and other languages can still be spoken privately). Nothing more, nothing less.
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10/21/2012 1:01:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:45:25 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:40:54 AM, pozessed wrote:
I have no idea what the ratio is, but the obscene don't have the much control.

Anyways, this is all extremely subjective.

I don't know the ratio either, but I do know that I have met way more generous people in life than greedy people. I have also met way more kind, and patient people as opposed to quick tempered, arrogant people.

You may ask for proof that most people aren't greedy.
Most people don't work their whole lives trying to save every penny, in order to invest it to make 2 more with it; just to see how much they can accumulate in a lifetime, forgetting about the other possibilities life has to offer.
If we did more people would be rich. Sure there are other types of greed but that one seems the most important.
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10/21/2012 1:09:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:57:42 AM, DanT wrote:
At 10/20/2012 10:28:44 PM, pozessed wrote:
Is there any way that countries can allow complete tolerance to other countries faiths, and traditions no matter their ethnicity?

A Global Trade Federation, responsible for keeping trade between nations free, and providing a common currency, as well as a uniform language (preferably English, and other languages can still be spoken privately). Nothing more, nothing less.

I can agree with this, as long as one world power wouldn't be feasible.

The uniformed language is unfair. It would obligate others to promote their culture privately, which is not right.
I would say you can promote a uniformed language, and inform everyone that all notices will be in the uniformed language.
However I would not want to discourage anyone from showing pride in their culture by not letting them speak their language.
That provision would cause the most controversy, I think.
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10/21/2012 2:31:14 AM
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At 10/20/2012 10:28:44 PM, pozessed wrote:
Is there any way that countries can allow complete tolerance to other countries faiths, and traditions no matter their ethnicity?

What?
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10/21/2012 2:48:43 AM
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At 10/21/2012 2:31:14 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 10/20/2012 10:28:44 PM, pozessed wrote:
Is there any way that countries can allow complete tolerance to other countries faiths, and traditions no matter their ethnicity?

What?

Exactly =D