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10/21/2012 2:11:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Anarchism or Dictatorship?
I'm even at the moment, slightly in favour of Dictatorship, but since I'm just some 15 year old guy, I have no idea which is the politically/morally better for humanity. Could someone enlighten me?

I plan to start this thread with an open mind, and leave it as a left or right wing extremist.
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10/21/2012 2:14:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 2:11:26 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Anarchism or Dictatorship?
I'm even at the moment, slightly in favour of Dictatorship, but since I'm just some 15 year old guy, I have no idea which is the politically/morally better for humanity. Could someone enlighten me?

I plan to start this thread with an open mind, and leave it as a left or right wing extremist.

You do realize that left =/= anarchy and right =/= dictatorship?
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10/21/2012 2:20:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 2:14:14 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:11:26 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Anarchism or Dictatorship?
I'm even at the moment, slightly in favour of Dictatorship, but since I'm just some 15 year old guy, I have no idea which is the politically/morally better for humanity. Could someone enlighten me?

I plan to start this thread with an open mind, and leave it as a left or right wing extremist.

You do realize that left =/= anarchy and right =/= dictatorship?

nope
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10/21/2012 2:23:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 2:20:32 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:14:14 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:11:26 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Anarchism or Dictatorship?
I'm even at the moment, slightly in favour of Dictatorship, but since I'm just some 15 year old guy, I have no idea which is the politically/morally better for humanity. Could someone enlighten me?

I plan to start this thread with an open mind, and leave it as a left or right wing extremist.

You do realize that left =/= anarchy and right =/= dictatorship?

nope

Karl Marx = leftist dictator
Fidel Castro = leftist dictator

anacho-capitalism: right anarchy. An anarchy system based on the non-aggression principle. Right to ownership of body and property.

anarcho-communism: left anarchy.
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10/21/2012 2:25:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Technically the most extreme you could go towards Authoritarianism is not Dictatorship but Totalitarianism. Correct me if I'm wrong??
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10/21/2012 2:26:24 AM
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At 10/21/2012 2:23:44 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:20:32 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:14:14 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:11:26 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Anarchism or Dictatorship?
I'm even at the moment, slightly in favour of Dictatorship, but since I'm just some 15 year old guy, I have no idea which is the politically/morally better for humanity. Could someone enlighten me?

I plan to start this thread with an open mind, and leave it as a left or right wing extremist.

You do realize that left =/= anarchy and right =/= dictatorship?

nope

Karl Marx = leftist dictator
Fidel Castro = leftist dictator

anacho-capitalism: right anarchy. An anarchy system based on the non-aggression principle. Right to ownership of body and property.

anarcho-communism: left anarchy.

so what is political left and right and whats the social version?
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10/21/2012 2:32:33 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 2:26:24 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:23:44 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:20:32 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:14:14 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:11:26 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Anarchism or Dictatorship?
I'm even at the moment, slightly in favour of Dictatorship, but since I'm just some 15 year old guy, I have no idea which is the politically/morally better for humanity. Could someone enlighten me?

I plan to start this thread with an open mind, and leave it as a left or right wing extremist.

You do realize that left =/= anarchy and right =/= dictatorship?

nope

Karl Marx = leftist dictator
Fidel Castro = leftist dictator

anacho-capitalism: right anarchy. An anarchy system based on the non-aggression principle. Right to ownership of body and property.

anarcho-communism: left anarchy.

so what is political left and right and whats the social version?

It's hard to define.

The left believe in egalitarianism and the right accept some form of social hierarchy. It can also be a reference to economic policies. The left being anti-market and for centralized economy vs. the right in favor of free-markets.
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10/21/2012 5:57:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Left extreme = Communism
Right extreme = Fascism

Both = dictatorship
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10/21/2012 6:16:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 2:32:33 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:26:24 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:23:44 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:20:32 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:14:14 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:11:26 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Anarchism or Dictatorship?
I'm even at the moment, slightly in favour of Dictatorship, but since I'm just some 15 year old guy, I have no idea which is the politically/morally better for humanity. Could someone enlighten me?

I plan to start this thread with an open mind, and leave it as a left or right wing extremist.

You do realize that left =/= anarchy and right =/= dictatorship?

nope

Karl Marx = leftist dictator
Fidel Castro = leftist dictator

anacho-capitalism: right anarchy. An anarchy system based on the non-aggression principle. Right to ownership of body and property.

anarcho-communism: left anarchy.

so what is political left and right and whats the social version?

It's hard to define.

The left believe in egalitarianism and the right accept some form of social hierarchy. It can also be a reference to economic policies. The left being anti-market and for centralized economy vs. the right in favor of free-markets.

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10/21/2012 7:16:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Just don't use "left" and "right" as it's a horrible scale that doesn't help anyone. Obama in the UK would be right-wing Tory, and doubtful if he would fit in with Sarkozy in France. Similarly, Sarkozy would be called socialist in America, while right-wing in his home country. So geography has a large impact on the scales.

Second, with feminism, ecologism, multiculturalism, fascism, nationalism, and all the other ideologies that entered the fray in the 20th century against the classical liberal/whig divide, it's pretty hard to place people who follow these ideologies anywhere...
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10/21/2012 7:56:06 AM
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For a guy who holds so many political positions you seem pretty uninformed. What you're talking about is Totalitarianism vs Libertarianism. Left vs right is a different and more complicated issue.
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10/21/2012 9:29:42 AM
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At 10/21/2012 2:26:24 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:23:44 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:20:32 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:14:14 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:11:26 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Anarchism or Dictatorship?
I'm even at the moment, slightly in favour of Dictatorship, but since I'm just some 15 year old guy, I have no idea which is the politically/morally better for humanity. Could someone enlighten me?

I plan to start this thread with an open mind, and leave it as a left or right wing extremist.

You do realize that left =/= anarchy and right =/= dictatorship?

nope

Karl Marx = leftist dictator
Fidel Castro = leftist dictator

anacho-capitalism: right anarchy. An anarchy system based on the non-aggression principle. Right to ownership of body and property.

anarcho-communism: left anarchy.

so what is political left and right and whats the social version?

There is none
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10/21/2012 11:49:08 AM
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Well, dictatorship could be better if the dictator was benevolent.
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10/21/2012 11:56:07 AM
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At 10/21/2012 2:11:26 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Anarchism or Dictatorship?
I'm even at the moment, slightly in favour of Dictatorship, but since I'm just some 15 year old guy, I have no idea which is the politically/morally better for humanity. Could someone enlighten me?

I plan to start this thread with an open mind, and leave it as a left or right wing extremist.

That's not left vs right. Left vs Right is Conservatism vs Progresivism. Progressivism is also known as radicalism.

The Left are reformists, and the right are traditionalists. The literal "extreme right" would be conservatives (both traditional-conservatives and liberal-conservatives). The moderate right would be nationalists and classic liberals; nationalists being collectivist, and classic liberals being individualist. The literal "extreme left" would be progressives (both populists and social-liberals). The moderate right would be socialists and anarchists. Socialists being collectivist and anarchists being individualists.

If by "extreme" you mean more government involvement, than the scale would be similar to that used by the EU, with nationalists being extreme right and socialists being extreme left.
Such a scale would look like the following;
Socialists - Populists - Social Liberals - Anarchists - Classic Liberals - Liberal Conservatives - Traditional Conservatives - Nationalists
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10/21/2012 12:02:08 PM
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At 10/21/2012 5:57:45 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Left extreme = Communism
Right extreme = Fascism

Both = dictatorship

Actually Socialism is left wing fascism and nationalism is right wing fascism. That does not include anarcho-socialism, which is more anarchist than socialist.

Fascism is third way, like Libertarianism; it is neither left nor right wing. I think you meant socialism is extreme left and nationalism is extreme right.

All socialists are fascists but not all fascists are socialist. All communists are socialist, but not all socialists are communist.
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10/22/2012 5:27:06 PM
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At 10/21/2012 2:23:44 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:20:32 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:14:14 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:11:26 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Anarchism or Dictatorship?
I'm even at the moment, slightly in favour of Dictatorship, but since I'm just some 15 year old guy, I have no idea which is the politically/morally better for humanity. Could someone enlighten me?

I plan to start this thread with an open mind, and leave it as a left or right wing extremist.

You do realize that left =/= anarchy and right =/= dictatorship?

nope

Karl Marx = leftist dictator
Fidel Castro = leftist dictator
I'm not seeing how Marx was a 'dictator'. To my knowledge, he never held public office.

Also, wasn't pure-Marxism suppose to be inherently stateless?

anacho-capitalism: right anarchy. An anarchy system based on the non-aggression principle. Right to ownership of body and property.

anarcho-communism: left anarchy.
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10/22/2012 5:30:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/22/2012 5:27:06 PM, Aaronroy wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:23:44 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:20:32 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:14:14 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/21/2012 2:11:26 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Anarchism or Dictatorship?
I'm even at the moment, slightly in favour of Dictatorship, but since I'm just some 15 year old guy, I have no idea which is the politically/morally better for humanity. Could someone enlighten me?

I plan to start this thread with an open mind, and leave it as a left or right wing extremist.

You do realize that left =/= anarchy and right =/= dictatorship?

nope

Karl Marx = leftist dictator
Fidel Castro = leftist dictator
I'm not seeing how Marx was a 'dictator'. To my knowledge, he never held public office.

My mistake. I don't know why I put Karl Marx. I meant to put Stalin.

Also, wasn't pure-Marxism suppose to be inherently stateless?

yes, although to get there it advocates a dictatorship of the proletariat.


anacho-capitalism: right anarchy. An anarchy system based on the non-aggression principle. Right to ownership of body and property.

anarcho-communism: left anarchy.
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10/22/2012 5:52:43 PM
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At 10/21/2012 12:02:08 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/21/2012 5:57:45 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Left extreme = Communism
Right extreme = Fascism

Both = dictatorship

Actually Socialism is left wing fascism and nationalism is right wing fascism. That does not include anarcho-socialism, which is more anarchist than socialist.

Fascism is third way, like Libertarianism; it is neither left nor right wing. I think you meant socialism is extreme left and nationalism is extreme right.

All socialists are fascists but not all fascists are socialist. All communists are socialist, but not all socialists are communist.

You are one confused man. Your heavy right-leaving anti-left bias makes you deem everything left or socialist to be automatically fascist. I can see through your sophistry and false equivocations.

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10/22/2012 5:58:16 PM
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At 10/22/2012 5:52:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:02:08 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/21/2012 5:57:45 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Left extreme = Communism
Right extreme = Fascism

Both = dictatorship

Actually Socialism is left wing fascism and nationalism is right wing fascism. That does not include anarcho-socialism, which is more anarchist than socialist.

Fascism is third way, like Libertarianism; it is neither left nor right wing. I think you meant socialism is extreme left and nationalism is extreme right.

All socialists are fascists but not all fascists are socialist. All communists are socialist, but not all socialists are communist.

You are one confused man. Your heavy right-leaving anti-left bias makes you deem everything left or socialist to be automatically fascist. I can see through your sophistry and false equivocations.








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10/22/2012 6:31:22 PM
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By mathematical improbability, all pure theories, practically applied, are incorrect. Including this one.
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10/22/2012 9:39:19 PM
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At 10/21/2012 7:56:06 AM, Frederick53 wrote:
For a guy who holds so many political positions you seem pretty uninformed. What you're talking about is Totalitarianism vs Libertarianism. Left vs right is a different and more complicated issue.

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10/23/2012 2:32:36 AM
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At 10/22/2012 6:31:22 PM, FREEDO wrote:
By mathematical improbability, all pure theories, practically applied, are incorrect. Including this one.

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10/23/2012 3:18:25 AM
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I will never understand how fascism is an extreme of the right. Fascism generally nationalizes banks and private industry. Fascism is really hyper socialism + nationalism, but I never see core economic values of the right brought to an extreme in fascism.
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10/23/2012 3:45:58 AM
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At 10/21/2012 11:49:08 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
Well, dictatorship could be better if the dictator was benevolent.

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10/23/2012 4:06:56 AM
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At 10/21/2012 11:49:08 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
Well, dictatorship could be better if the dictator was benevolent.

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