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Volkov
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10/2/2009 1:19:58 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
What policies would you put forward to the voters of whichever country you're in?

I ask this because I find it an interesting way to show exactly what people expect of whichever party they support, or at least what kind of policies they think should be put forward.

There isn't any real structure to this, but it would be great if people could list off policies and ideas under different headings, like Economy, Budget, Healthcare, Foreign Affairs, Military, Justice, Democratic Reform, Social Issues, etc., and try to keep it as bullet points, so we can avoid confusion and don't have to read one long paragraph about the nitty gritty details. TL;DR will be a common response if people do that.
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10/2/2009 1:22:51 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
(Gun Control => No) will be a main issue.

That will not only get us permanent funding from the NRA but will also bring us 6% of the population in support.
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10/2/2009 1:43:19 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
National Issues?

Non-compulsory teaching of Irish as an exam subject for leaving exams (E.g. SATS, Baccalaureates, A-Levels) . It sounds fair, but a government could collapse over trying to make this backward bog language optional. Every argument for it can be refuted with ease.
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10/2/2009 1:45:31 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 1:43:19 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
National Issues?

Non-compulsory teaching of Irish as an exam subject for leaving exams (E.g. SATS, Baccalaureates, A-Levels) . It sounds fair, but a government could collapse over trying to make this backward bog language optional. Every argument for it can be refuted with ease.

For it obviously implying for having it compulsory. There are really some radicals out there who just aren't susceptible to logic.

I woudl love to become a politician but

1. I lack some funding (Joining a major party solves that but none really fit my aims)

2. Not too good an oratory speaker (Gettign better though)
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10/2/2009 1:51:19 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
If I was the GOP chairman now?

1) No universal health care.
2) No universal health care.
3) No universal health care
...
11) Lower spending / balanced budget.
12) Lower taxes.
13) I'd stay away from social issues - if not, try to become more socially liberal to pick up younger and more secular voters.
14) Bash Obama on Afghanistan.
15) Talk about liberties being stolen.
comoncents
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10/2/2009 2:26:23 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
AbortionCon
•Affirmative ActionCon
•Death PenaltyPro
•Flat TaxPro
•Gun RightsPro
•Late Term AbortionCon
•National Health CareCon
•Police ProfilingCon
•School VouchersPro
•Social ProgramsCon
•United NationsCon
•War in IranCon

no amnesty.

well I think I could go on... but I would run on
1. the constitution
2. what the founding fathers mapped out
3. conservative views
4. liberty
5. true capitalism

this can go on for ever but...

<real change, changing america back to where it use to be>
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10/2/2009 2:29:31 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 2:26:23 PM, comoncents wrote:

well I think I could go on... but I would run on
1. the constitution
2. what the founding fathers mapped out
3. conservative views

Progressive views

4. liberty

Pwned here by California

5. true capitalism

Pwned here by Labour unions


this can go on for ever but...

<real change, changing america back to where it use to be>

Wut? That's the worst slogan EVER!
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10/2/2009 2:30:00 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 2:29:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 10/2/2009 2:26:23 PM, comoncents wrote:

well I think I could go on... but I would run on
1. the constitution
2. what the founding fathers mapped out
3. conservative views

Society progresses
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10/2/2009 2:38:11 PM
Posted: 7 years ago

<real change, changing america back to where it use to be>

Wut? That's the worst slogan EVER!

i know but i wrote in in 10 sec.

after sending it i see that it needed help, but that would be the premise.
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10/2/2009 2:40:59 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
< Actual change, changing america back to when it was free, back to when it was really american!>

I suck at this ahyyyyy.
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10/2/2009 2:46:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 2:40:59 PM, comoncents wrote:
< Actual change, changing america back to when it was free, back to when it was really american!>


I suck at this ahyyyyy.

Yeah, because your view of sending America back in time sucks
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10/2/2009 2:53:16 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 2:46:32 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 10/2/2009 2:40:59 PM, comoncents wrote:
< Actual change, changing america back to when it was free, back to when it was really american!>


I suck at this ahyyyyy.

Yeah, because your view of sending America back in time sucks

Yeah, I can see what you are saying...
But you are Liberal, right.

i do not know if you are for socialism or even "more government", but i remember when we had less government.

it was great, i love the america that we were when we started, not the america we have become.

I think we have veered so far from the constitution, that i want to go back to when america was right, not greedy, not policing the world, not corrupt.

and no taxes!!!!
regebro
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10/2/2009 3:01:14 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 1:19:58 PM, Volkov wrote:
What policies would you put forward to the voters of whichever country you're in?

Simplification for business. Making business rules and tax rules easier.

It's a "low-hanging fruit" so to speak. There are more serious problems in France, but they are controversial. The Unions have too much power, the employment regulation is too strict. Also something will have to be done about the segregation in this country, but I'm not entirely sure what.

But fixing up the business rules would make the business go better, and unemployment would sink, and then people would, with some luck, support more controversial changes later.

Also, I would make a voucher system for schools, which should be possible to get support for it by comparing it to how the health care works (namely by a voucher system, or as it's normally known, public health insurance).
So prove me wrong, then.
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10/2/2009 4:52:02 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 3:01:14 PM, regebro wrote:
At 10/2/2009 1:19:58 PM, Volkov wrote:
What policies would you put forward to the voters of whichever country you're in?

Simplification for business. Making business rules and tax rules easier.

It's a "low-hanging fruit" so to speak. There are more serious problems in France, but they are controversial. The Unions have too much power, the employment regulation is too strict. Also something will have to be done about the segregation in this country, but I'm not entirely sure what.

But fixing up the business rules would make the business go better, and unemployment would sink, and then people would, with some luck, support more controversial changes later.


Also, I would make a voucher system for schools, which should be possible to get support for it by comparing it to how the health care works (namely by a voucher system, or as it's normally known, public health insurance).

i like some of this...
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10/2/2009 4:52:50 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
1. Stop global warming. (So civilization as we know it does not collapse. Or at the very least, we don't spend tens/hundreds of billions of dollars and lower the quality of life and stuff. Sort of important.)

2. Hold education to a higher standard.

3. World peace.
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10/2/2009 4:53:41 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 4:52:50 PM, MTGandP wrote:
1. Stop global warming. (So civilization as we know it does not collapse. Or at the very least, we don't spend tens/hundreds of billions of dollars and lower the quality of life and stuff. Sort of important.)

2. Hold education to a higher standard.

3. World peace.

Running for Ms. America?
comoncents
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10/2/2009 4:55:58 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 4:53:41 PM, wonderwoman wrote:
At 10/2/2009 4:52:50 PM, MTGandP wrote:
1. Stop global warming. (So civilization as we know it does not collapse. Or at the very least, we don't spend tens/hundreds of billions of dollars and lower the quality of life and stuff. Sort of important.)

2. Hold education to a higher standard.

3. World peace.

Running for Ms. America?

hahahahaha... such a clever point.
i would second that question...
comoncents
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10/2/2009 5:02:31 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 4:53:41 PM, wonderwoman wrote:
At 10/2/2009 4:52:50 PM, MTGandP wrote:
1. Stop global warming. (So civilization as we know it does not collapse. Or at the very least, we don't spend tens/hundreds of billions of dollars and lower the quality of life and stuff. Sort of important.)

2. Hold education to a higher standard.

3. World peace.

Running for Ms. America?
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10/2/2009 5:11:41 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
1) Brainwash my youth to support my views. Win the youth, win the world.

2) Monarchy! Who didn't want to be a Queen or Princess when they were little?

I'll have to think of a few more....
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10/2/2009 5:19:37 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Points a country will rally behind:
1. America! Fu{k yeah!
2. Ammending Constitution to ban handgun banning on public property.
3. The elimination of the income tax.
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10/2/2009 5:24:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
The following would be key concerns of mine, going forward:

1. A public health care system, paid for by government, with optional private systems to provide optional wholly consensual experimental treatments for patients with the money and desire to pay. Want the best regulation-approved healthcare in the US? No problem, you just need to be a citizen. Want the latest experimental procedure or medication not yet approved for use in the US? No problem, just go through a private provider and fill out a consent form and you can get it. Also, overhaul the FDA.

2. A constitutional amendment ensuring greater social liberties, so that future justices do not need to create doctrines regarding a 'right to privacy' and so forth out of whole cloth.

3. End the drug war. Legalize and regulate drugs, and fund clinics for abusers.

4. Restructure our free trade agreements so that our trade supports the economy of our nation and the economies of other nations devoted to the ideals of democracy, capitalism, and secular governance.

5. Invest in green technology and the infrastructure needed to implement it widely within the US, so as to reduce US dependence on foreign oil (looks like we are already heading that way, though).

6. Restructure the justice system, at least on the federal level, to one of rehabilitation and remuneration rather than one of remonstrance and revenge.

7. Update and optimize the technological and business infrastructure of the federal and state government to reduce the requisite size of the government workforce, and then lease unneeded and unused government buildings or potions thereof through a competitive bid system to private business organizations capitalized by federal business loans (this will help provide small business owners with minority status opportunity and access to business headquarters on par with competitors.)

8. Abolish federal marriage rights and give everyone access to "Freedom Ties." :}

(i.e. civil union rights, for those disinclined to ponder the meaning of propoganda)

9. Reinforce some weakened Constitutional rights, such as the right to bear arms and the right to property, by

(a) limiting gun regulation to preventing criminals from owning guns and artillery and allowing non-criminals to arm themselves with whatever they can afford, provided that such items are, in fact, 'arms' (i.e. personal weapons) and not weaponized vehicles. Reasonable limitations on carrying such arms would remain, of course (private land owners can restrict weaponry of invitees and no one could carry a hand grenade into a school ... though they could own one and walk around with it at home.)

(b) Restricting zoning regulations/ordinances to preventing only uses of one's land that interfere with public health or the directly physically diminish neighboring property. If you want to open a restaurant in the middle of a residential neighborhood, no one should stop you.

10. A number of changes in business regulations and eventually alterations to the estate tax regime, but presently I would rather focus on the prior nine points.
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10/2/2009 5:32:38 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Instant abolition of laws against victimless crimes (everything from age of consent to drugs to to gambling to guns to antitrust to refusal of legal tender).

1 month warning for recpients of Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, AFDC, things along those lines, before shutting them down.

Shutdown of all publicly funded schools except those for the training of the military and other public employees after the academic year has ended (e.g. when the next summer hits). Sale of these schools to offers, with view to maximizing cash gained from such sales (I don't want Russian-style billionaires).

Introduction of user fees into government services, with a goal of phasing them in, adjusting them to get an idea of how much revenue can be gathered from each, and lowering taxes along the way until the tax rate is zero and the budget is balanced for the remaining services.

Removal of all the government bureaus and employees that are now obsolete of course.

And a constitutional amendment to remove all the contradictions, make this stuff permanent, and state "the initiation of force and fraud is banned."

And ya know what? I think Libertarian registration would go up. Why? Because more people would know that the word actually meant something, and wasn't just some fashion trend their douchebag neighbor bought into while he was high.
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10/2/2009 5:51:00 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 5:24:53 PM, Lexicaholic wrote:
The following would be key concerns of mine, going forward:

1. A public health care system, paid for by government, with optional private systems to provide optional wholly consensual experimental treatments for patients with the money and desire to pay. Want the best regulation-approved healthcare in the US? No problem, you just need to be a citizen. Want the latest experimental procedure or medication not yet approved for use in the US? No problem, just go through a private provider and fill out a consent form and you can get it. Also, overhaul the FDA.

2. A constitutional amendment ensuring greater social liberties, so that future justices do not need to create doctrines regarding a 'right to privacy' and so forth out of whole cloth.

3. End the drug war. Legalize and regulate drugs, and fund clinics for abusers.

4. Restructure our free trade agreements so that our trade supports the economy of our nation and the economies of other nations devoted to the ideals of democracy, capitalism, and secular governance.

5. Invest in green technology and the infrastructure needed to implement it widely within the US, so as to reduce US dependence on foreign oil (looks like we are already heading that way, though).

6. Restructure the justice system, at least on the federal level, to one of rehabilitation and remuneration rather than one of remonstrance and revenge.

7. Update and optimize the technological and business infrastructure of the federal and state government to reduce the requisite size of the government workforce, and then lease unneeded and unused government buildings or potions thereof through a competitive bid system to private business organizations capitalized by federal business loans (this will help provide small business owners with minority status opportunity and access to business headquarters on par with competitors.)

8. Abolish federal marriage rights and give everyone access to "Freedom Ties." :}

(i.e. civil union rights, for those disinclined to ponder the meaning of propoganda)

9. Reinforce some weakened Constitutional rights, such as the right to bear arms and the right to property, by

(a) limiting gun regulation to preventing criminals from owning guns and artillery and allowing non-criminals to arm themselves with whatever they can afford, provided that such items are, in fact, 'arms' (i.e. personal weapons) and not weaponized vehicles. Reasonable limitations on carrying such arms would remain, of course (private land owners can restrict weaponry of invitees and no one could carry a hand grenade into a school ... though they could own one and walk around with it at home.)

(b) Restricting zoning regulations/ordinances to preventing only uses of one's land that interfere with public health or the directly physically diminish neighboring property. If you want to open a restaurant in the middle of a residential neighborhood, no one should stop you.

10. A number of changes in business regulations and eventually alterations to the estate tax regime, but presently I would rather focus on the prior nine points.

sounds like a hippie....
would never work....

this is america... do you live here?
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10/2/2009 5:52:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Oh, forgot to mention declaring the Federal Reserve bankrupt, burning all uncirculated notes and shutting down the Reserve, estimating the number of Federal Reserve Note Dollars that are in circulation and declaring each dollar's value to be:

Weight of gold held by the US government
_____________________________________________
Number of dollars in circulation
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10/2/2009 5:55:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 5:52:32 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Oh, forgot to mention declaring the Federal Reserve bankrupt, burning all uncirculated notes and shutting down the Reserve, estimating the number of Federal Reserve Note Dollars that are in circulation and declaring each dollar's value to be:

Weight of gold held by the US government
_____________________________________________
Number of dollars in circulation

End The Fed!
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10/2/2009 5:57:51 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 5:52:32 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Oh, forgot to mention declaring the Federal Reserve bankrupt, burning all uncirculated notes and shutting down the Reserve, estimating the number of Federal Reserve Note Dollars that are in circulation and declaring each dollar's value to be:

Weight of gold held by the US government
_____________________________________________
Number of dollars in circulation

I like this idea.
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10/2/2009 6:01:38 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 5:51:00 PM, comoncents wrote:

sounds like a hippie....
would never work....

this is america... do you live here?

1. Which part is hippiesh? Also, I don't take that a an insult. Mostly because it is irrelevant to me. Would you take me seriously if I called you a fascist?

2. Why would it never work?

3. Yes, this is America, and I know to spell it with a capital 'A'. Do you live here?
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10/2/2009 6:14:50 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/2/2009 6:01:38 PM, Lexicaholic wrote:
At 10/2/2009 5:51:00 PM, comoncents wrote:

sounds like a hippie....
would never work....

this is america... do you live here?

1. Which part is hippiesh? Also, I don't take that a an insult. Mostly because it is irrelevant to me. Would you take me seriously if I called you a fascist?

2. Why would it never work?

3. Yes, this is America, and I know to spell it with a capital 'A'. Do you live here?

i did not want you to take it as an insult... i am glad.

the capital A thing was good...
i tend not to capitalize things... just try to type as fast as possible... it is my down fall.

i will get back and explain why it would not work next... let me work on it...
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10/2/2009 7:10:15 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Well I would hold the following positions

- Pro Amnesty
- Pro Gay marriage
- Entirely new educaation principles
- Less money spent in wars
- UHC
- Anti-Death Penalty

Since social progression ha been working for everyone else, I'd run on that.

As long as I didn't hire Sarah Palin or Micheal Steele, I think i'd be good!
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