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keunglh
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11/1/2012 7:36:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hey guys!

Anyways I understand that this may be a controversial topic, but I would like to get this out as well as read your two cents on gun control.

So my question is -

In your opinion, what is the best gun control law? And what are the parts of your ideal gun control law?

Also what would you do about the illegal transactions for firearms?

Thanks!
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11/1/2012 7:42:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:36:33 PM, keunglh wrote:
Hey guys!

Anyways I understand that this may be a controversial topic, but I would like to get this out as well as read your two cents on gun control.

So my question is -

In your opinion, what is the best gun control law?

Background check.

And what are the parts of your ideal gun control law?

Keeping guns away from bad people in the most practical manner.

Also what would you do about the illegal transactions for firearms?

Enforce laws that are in place.

Thanks!

Your welcome.
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11/1/2012 7:44:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hey thanks so much for the quick response!

I just wanted to ask, if you could be more specific about background check? It seems pretty broad, and I totally agree with the "enforce laws in place" and not "add more laws".
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11/1/2012 7:44:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:44:13 PM, keunglh wrote:
Hey thanks so much for the quick response!

I just wanted to ask, if you could be more specific about background check? It seems pretty broad, and I totally agree with the "enforce laws in place" and not "add more laws" And be more specific about the "keep guns from bad people in the most practical manner".
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11/1/2012 7:47:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:36:33 PM, keunglh wrote:
In your opinion, what is the best gun control law?

None, people should be allowed to purchase as many guns as they want

And what are the parts of your ideal gun control law?

None

Also what would you do about the illegal transactions for firearms?

Not criminalize any transactions

Thanks!

your welcome
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jharry
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11/1/2012 7:48:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:44:13 PM, keunglh wrote:
Hey thanks so much for the quick response!

I just wanted to ask, if you could be more specific about background check? It seems pretty broad, and I totally agree with the "enforce laws in place" and not "add more laws".

The back ground check is the most practical law we have to keep guns away from people that have been deemed as not being responsible enough to own one.

Anything more invades rights and anything less is irresponsible.
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11/1/2012 7:50:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:48:28 PM, medic0506 wrote:
I'm all for gun control so we should always fire our AK's using both hands. That's my ideal gun control law.

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11/1/2012 7:50:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm against certain people being able to have free access to firearms. I have a brother-in-law that falls under this law. The thought of him owning a firearm scares the crap out of me.
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11/1/2012 7:51:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Question:

Do you want my short response or my long 16kadams gun control opinion?
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11/1/2012 7:51:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:51:20 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Question:

Do you want my short response or my long 16kadams gun control opinion?

Both.
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11/1/2012 7:53:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:50:32 PM, jharry wrote:
I'm against certain people being able to have free access to firearms. I have a brother-in-law that falls under this law. The thought of him owning a firearm scares the crap out of me.

Backround checks would do nothing. Most criminals get guns from friends or the black market. Backroubd checks do not decrease crime, and actually raise it (Lott 2003).

Backrpund checks in legal venues would not stop me from giving a gun to a freibd or going into a black market.
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11/1/2012 7:55:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:51:54 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 11/1/2012 7:51:20 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Question:

Do you want my short response or my long 16kadams gun control opinion?

Both.

Short: gun control is bullsh!t and anyone who fell for the propaganda is a "moron" as Penn and Teller puts it or has not researched it enough, as I prefer to put it.
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11/1/2012 7:56:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:55:25 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 11/1/2012 7:51:54 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 11/1/2012 7:51:20 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Question:

Do you want my short response or my long 16kadams gun control opinion?

Both.

Short: gun control is bullsh!t and anyone who fell for the propaganda is a "moron" as Penn and Teller puts it or has not researched it enough, as I prefer to put it.

Don't have time for the long
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11/1/2012 7:58:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
In the State of Alabama I can own this http://www.gunbroker.com...

But not a fully automatic, but I couldn't afford to feed one in reality. And I'm more lethal with a semi over a full any day.

I can't own a SBR (short barreled rifle, less then 16" barrel) but less then 20" you start losing velocity.

I'm for practicality, not ideology.
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11/1/2012 8:00:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:58:07 PM, jharry wrote:
In the State of Alabama I can own this http://www.gunbroker.com...

But not a fully automatic, but I couldn't afford to feed one in reality. And I'm more lethal with a semi over a full any day.

I can't own a SBR (short barreled rifle, less then 16" barrel) but less then 20" you start losing velocity.

I'm for practicality, not ideology.

Oh yeah, I the above link is to a shotgun I hope to be owning before the end of this year. So all you gun lovers stuck up north or overly liberal state...............
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11/1/2012 8:00:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
My position
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11/1/2012 8:02:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:58:07 PM, jharry wrote:
In the State of Alabama I can own this http://www.gunbroker.com...

But not a fully automatic, but I couldn't afford to feed one in reality. And I'm more lethal with a semi over a full any day.

I can't own a SBR (short barreled rifle, less then 16" barrel) but less then 20" you start losing velocity.

I'm for practicality, not ideology.

Is it legally a handgun or something? I thought it was illegal to own a shotgun or rifle with a barrel less than a certain length.
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11/1/2012 8:05:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Gun control achieves very little. It makes it harder to get guns, but definitely not impossible by any shape of the meaning. Criminals are criminals and don't care if they break the law to get a gun.
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11/1/2012 8:06:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 8:02:19 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 11/1/2012 7:58:07 PM, jharry wrote:
In the State of Alabama I can own this http://www.gunbroker.com...

But not a fully automatic, but I couldn't afford to feed one in reality. And I'm more lethal with a semi over a full any day.

I can't own a SBR (short barreled rifle, less then 16" barrel) but less then 20" you start losing velocity.

I'm for practicality, not ideology.

Is it legally a handgun or something? I thought it was illegal to own a shotgun or rifle with a barrel less than a certain length.

It is considered a AOW (Any Other Weapon). They are legal to own in some states. It is regulated though, there is a 5 buck federal stamp required to own it.
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11/1/2012 8:18:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:53:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 11/1/2012 7:50:32 PM, jharry wrote:
I'm against certain people being able to have free access to firearms. I have a brother-in-law that falls under this law. The thought of him owning a firearm scares the crap out of me.

Backround checks would do nothing. Most criminals get guns from friends or the black market. Backroubd checks do not decrease crime, and actually raise it (Lott 2003).

Backrpund checks in legal venues would not stop me from giving a gun to a freibd or going into a black market.

I do agree that it does not stop people from getting firearms. But it is responsible to do what we can.

How do background checks increase crime?
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11/1/2012 8:20:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 8:05:32 PM, TheBloodyScot wrote:
Gun control achieves very little. It makes it harder to get guns, but definitely not impossible by any shape of the meaning. Criminals are criminals and don't care if they break the law to get a gun.

I do agree, but we can try to a certain point.
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11/1/2012 8:20:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:53:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 11/1/2012 7:50:32 PM, jharry wrote:
I'm against certain people being able to have free access to firearms. I have a brother-in-law that falls under this law. The thought of him owning a firearm scares the crap out of me.

Backround checks would do nothing. Most criminals get guns from friends or the black market. Backroubd checks do not decrease crime, and actually raise it (Lott 2003).

Correlation is not causation. It is logically impossible for background checks to increase crime.
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11/1/2012 8:21:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 7:36:33 PM, keunglh wrote:
Hey guys!

Anyways I understand that this may be a controversial topic, but I would like to get this out as well as read your two cents on gun control.

So my question is -

In your opinion, what is the best gun control law?
the best gun control law is the 2nd amendment.
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

What better way to reduce gun crimes than for the potential victim to be equally armed?

And what are the parts of your ideal gun control law?

A.) "the right of the people to keep... Arms shall not be infringed."
B.) "the right of the people to... bear Arms shall not be infringed."
Also what would you do about the illegal transactions for firearms?

Eliminate the black market monopoly.
Thanks!
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11/1/2012 8:22:29 PM
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Any good community should have enough rifles for everyone to bear...
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11/1/2012 8:28:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 8:21:55 PM, DanT wrote:
At 11/1/2012 7:36:33 PM, keunglh wrote:
Hey guys!

Anyways I understand that this may be a controversial topic, but I would like to get this out as well as read your two cents on gun control.

So my question is -

In your opinion, what is the best gun control law?
the best gun control law is the 2nd amendment.
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

What better way to reduce gun crimes than for the potential victim to be equally armed?

And what are the parts of your ideal gun control law?

A.) "the right of the people to keep... Arms shall not be infringed."
B.) "the right of the people to... bear Arms shall not be infringed."
Also what would you do about the illegal transactions for firearms?

Eliminate the black market monopoly.
Thanks!

I like Switzerland's gun law that people are required to own guns. I bet in-home break-ins are a lot less!
Something is not worth doing if it is not worth doing right.

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11/1/2012 8:33:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 8:21:55 PM, DanT wrote:
At 11/1/2012 7:36:33 PM, keunglh wrote:
Hey guys!

Anyways I understand that this may be a controversial topic, but I would like to get this out as well as read your two cents on gun control.

So my question is -

In your opinion, what is the best gun control law?
the best gun control law is the 2nd amendment.
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

What better way to reduce gun crimes than for the potential victim to be equally armed?

And what are the parts of your ideal gun control law?

A.) "the right of the people to keep... Arms shall not be infringed."
B.) "the right of the people to... bear Arms shall not be infringed."
Also what would you do about the illegal transactions for firearms?

Eliminate the black market monopoly.
Thanks!

From what I have seen gun laws do help the balancing of firearms between legally owned weapons and those that are obtained illegally. Well, in the cases where people like you and me might encounter an armed criminal.

99% of the criminals I personally know that would ever effect someone like have cheap weapons and little to no training.

I have legally acquired weapons, they are high quality and efficient. I also have the training and practice. Before most criminals I would most likely meet could get one round out of their knock off .25 (which they will probably be holding sideways) I can have three rounds squarely in their abdominal cavity.

Criminals are usually dumb and lazy. Giving me the upper hand in most situations that a normal citizen like myself could encounter.
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11/1/2012 9:29:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 8:18:21 PM, jharry wrote:

I do agree that it does not stop people from getting firearms. But it is responsible to do what we can.

Translation: I understand it does nothing but I wouldn't feel as safe if I didn't make it harder for law abiding folks to purchase protection.

How do background checks increase crime?

They don't, they're just useless as far as stopping criminals from getting guns.
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11/1/2012 9:33:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 9:29:42 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 11/1/2012 8:18:21 PM, jharry wrote:

I do agree that it does not stop people from getting firearms. But it is responsible to do what we can.

Translation: I understand it does nothing but I wouldn't feel as safe if I didn't make it harder for law abiding folks to purchase protection.

How do background checks increase crime?

They don't, they're just useless as far as stopping criminals from getting guns.

Did you read my last post?
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11/1/2012 10:21:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Most people believe in some types of arms restrictions. When one limits this discussion to just guns it really is intellectually dishonest. Where do you draw the line and why?

Tanks
RPG's
Hand thrown granades & explosives.
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Automatic low cal guns
Semi Automatic
Hand guns
Hunting rifles
Large Knives
All arms

Once you pick the level, is there any type of registration or owner verification? Felons? Age? Anything?

Lastly, it seems silly to me to make the argument that I should be able to own a gun so I could join the militia or defend myself. Me with my rifle versus a drone, tank or the crazy explosives these days = epic failure. I at least need some RPG's to have any hope.

I'm willing to take the risk of having a disgruntled employee hoist out the RPG and take out the department to have that freedom.........I think.