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Lordknukle
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11/7/2012 8:42:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
How can people seriously come out and vote in droves for a man with such despotic and tyrannical economic policies that no literate individual who knows anything about artificial demand, debt, and the negative effects of stimuluses would support? People are simply looking out for which ever President will give them the most money or goods and assuming that the role of government is to do that. This is sheer at utter egocentric stupidity coupled with a complete disregard for the real purpose of government.

Polls should be conducted at the end of each vote. Individuals who don't vote for a man solely based on his economic policy ought to not be allowed to vote again or have their votes stripped to 0.5.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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11/7/2012 8:45:41 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Homeless men must be very free in our country.
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11/7/2012 8:46:26 AM
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At 11/7/2012 8:42:36 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
How can people seriously come out and vote in droves for a man with such despotic and tyrannical economic policies that no literate individual who knows anything about artificial demand, debt, and the negative effects of stimuluses would support? People are simply looking out for which ever President will give them the most money or goods and assuming that the role of government is to do that. This is sheer at utter egocentric stupidity coupled with a complete disregard for the real purpose of government.

Polls should be conducted at the end of each vote. Individuals who don't vote for a man solely based on his economic policy ought to not be allowed to vote again or have their votes stripped to 0.5.

Romney's economic plan was to give millionaires more corporate welfare. Any Republican who voted for him ought to willingly turn himself or herself over to the police.
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11/7/2012 8:47:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:45:41 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Homeless men must be very free in our country.

FOOD STAMPS FTW!
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11/7/2012 8:47:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:46:26 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:42:36 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
How can people seriously come out and vote in droves for a man with such despotic and tyrannical economic policies that no literate individual who knows anything about artificial demand, debt, and the negative effects of stimuluses would support? People are simply looking out for which ever President will give them the most money or goods and assuming that the role of government is to do that. This is sheer at utter egocentric stupidity coupled with a complete disregard for the real purpose of government.

Polls should be conducted at the end of each vote. Individuals who don't vote for a man solely based on his economic policy ought to not be allowed to vote again or have their votes stripped to 0.5.

Romney's economic plan was to give millionaires more corporate welfare. Any Republican who voted for him ought to willingly turn himself or herself over to the police.

WELL THAT ESCALATED QUICKLY
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11/7/2012 8:48:41 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Romney isn't any better than Obama. Both are only out there to look out for their wealthy bankers, their corrupt Wall-Street investors, and corporation interests. Both are slaves of Israel, and would be willing to put U.S. soldiers into another
financially unsustainable middle eastern war because of Israelite aggression towards Iran. If a 3rd party candidate doesn't end this two party dictatorship, true American interest will never be accounted for.
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11/7/2012 8:49:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:47:02 AM, TheAntidoter wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:45:41 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Homeless men must be very free in our country.

FOOD STAMPS FTW!

Homeless men do not have access to food stamps. Food stamps require two forms of identification and most homeless men do not even have one. Access to state shelters requires identification and most homeless men do not have it. The homeless men and women who do have identification are harassed by the police. In many Republican states, the police steal the identity cards of homeless men so that they starve to death.
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11/7/2012 8:49:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:42:36 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
How can people seriously come out and vote in droves for a man with such despotic and tyrannical economic policies that no literate individual who knows anything about artificial demand, debt, and the negative effects of stimuluses would support? People are simply looking out for which ever President will give them the most money or goods and assuming that the role of government is to do that. This is sheer at utter egocentric stupidity coupled with a complete disregard for the real purpose of government.

Polls should be conducted at the end of each vote. Individuals who don't vote for a man solely based on his economic policy ought to not be allowed to vote again or have their votes stripped to 0.5.

Or maybe have them take the immigration test or sumthin.
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11/7/2012 8:51:30 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:46:26 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:42:36 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
How can people seriously come out and vote in droves for a man with such despotic and tyrannical economic policies that no literate individual who knows anything about artificial demand, debt, and the negative effects of stimuluses would support? People are simply looking out for which ever President will give them the most money or goods and assuming that the role of government is to do that. This is sheer at utter egocentric stupidity coupled with a complete disregard for the real purpose of government.

Polls should be conducted at the end of each vote. Individuals who don't vote for a man solely based on his economic policy ought to not be allowed to vote again or have their votes stripped to 0.5.

Romney's economic plan was to give millionaires more corporate welfare. Any Republican who voted for him ought to willingly turn himself or herself over to the police.

False. Stop spouting nonsense. Romney's plan was to cut taxes 20% across the board for millionaires AND everybody else.
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11/7/2012 8:52:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:49:04 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:47:02 AM, TheAntidoter wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:45:41 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Homeless men must be very free in our country.

FOOD STAMPS FTW!

Homeless men do not have access to food stamps. Food stamps require two forms of identification and most homeless men do not even have one. Access to state shelters requires identification and most homeless men do not have it. The homeless men and women who do have identification are harassed by the police. In many Republican states, the police steal the identity cards of homeless men so that they starve to death.

It's their own fault. I can understand living in poverty and maybe still blaming it on somebody, but having no home, no family, and no constant source of income is most solely the fault of the "victim."
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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11/7/2012 8:53:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:49:52 AM, TheAntidoter wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:42:36 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
How can people seriously come out and vote in droves for a man with such despotic and tyrannical economic policies that no literate individual who knows anything about artificial demand, debt, and the negative effects of stimuluses would support? People are simply looking out for which ever President will give them the most money or goods and assuming that the role of government is to do that. This is sheer at utter egocentric stupidity coupled with a complete disregard for the real purpose of government.

Polls should be conducted at the end of each vote. Individuals who don't vote for a man solely based on his economic policy ought to not be allowed to vote again or have their votes stripped to 0.5.

Or maybe have them take the immigration test or sumthin.

Or maybe a poll tax to ensure that those who will most surely vote based on whoever gives them the most money won't vote.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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11/7/2012 8:53:37 AM
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If stimulus has such a negative effect, how did it pull our economy out of the Depression? How did it pull the German economy out of the depression. No retarded smoke-and-mirrors Republican tricks on me, please. I am well aware than World War II pulled us out, but the act of shooting bombs and killing people does not give us money, else George Bush must have enriched our economy. World War II provided a context for governmental stimulus into the economy, and that is what pulled us out and what pulled the Germans out.
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11/7/2012 8:53:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:45:41 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Homeless men must be very free in our country.

The homeless aren't (really) the ones getting the free stuff.
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11/7/2012 8:55:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:52:26 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:49:04 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:47:02 AM, TheAntidoter wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:45:41 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Homeless men must be very free in our country.

FOOD STAMPS FTW!

Homeless men do not have access to food stamps. Food stamps require two forms of identification and most homeless men do not even have one. Access to state shelters requires identification and most homeless men do not have it. The homeless men and women who do have identification are harassed by the police. In many Republican states, the police steal the identity cards of homeless men so that they starve to death.

It's their own fault. I can understand living in poverty and maybe still blaming it on somebody, but having no home, no family, and no constant source of income is most solely the fault of the "victim."

Homes are not cheap. Most people do not get along with family. The federal government requires two forms of identification to permit people to work, and businesses do not hire people who are homeless. I never discussed culpability. My argument was simply that people who do not receive free stuff are not very free. The dichotomy between equality and liberty is a false dichotomy.
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11/7/2012 8:56:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:53:49 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:45:41 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Homeless men must be very free in our country.

The homeless aren't (really) the ones getting the free stuff.

That was my point. Equality and liberty are not at odds with one another. Free stuff and liberty are not at odds with one another. Homeless men get no free stuff and they are the least free individuals in our country.
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11/7/2012 8:58:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:55:56 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:52:26 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:49:04 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:47:02 AM, TheAntidoter wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:45:41 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Homeless men must be very free in our country.

FOOD STAMPS FTW!

Homeless men do not have access to food stamps. Food stamps require two forms of identification and most homeless men do not even have one. Access to state shelters requires identification and most homeless men do not have it. The homeless men and women who do have identification are harassed by the police. In many Republican states, the police steal the identity cards of homeless men so that they starve to death.

It's their own fault. I can understand living in poverty and maybe still blaming it on somebody, but having no home, no family, and no constant source of income is most solely the fault of the "victim."

Homes are not cheap. Most people do not get along with family. The federal government requires two forms of identification to permit people to work, and businesses do not hire people who are homeless. I never discussed culpability. My argument was simply that people who do not receive free stuff are not very free. The dichotomy between equality and liberty is a false dichotomy.

Those that are paying for a freeloader are not free either.
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11/7/2012 8:58:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:53:37 AM, blameworthy wrote:
If stimulus has such a negative effect, how did it pull our economy out of the Depression? How did it pull the German economy out of the depression. No retarded smoke-and-mirrors Republican tricks on me, please. I am well aware than World War II pulled us out, but the act of shooting bombs and killing people does not give us money, else George Bush must have enriched our economy. World War II provided a context for governmental stimulus into the economy, and that is what pulled us out and what pulled the Germans out.

I never said it didn't have a positive short term effect- it did. This is what Keynesian policies are designed to do. My main concern, as should be most people's, is the long term effects of these stimuluses and creation of artificial demand. They are not only not reflective of what the consumers want, but also create a slippery slope for future government action and artificially increase supply and cause a bubble.

"Real growth means production of what people demand. That's entrepreneurship, not your central plan."
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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11/7/2012 8:59:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:58:21 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:55:56 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:52:26 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:49:04 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:47:02 AM, TheAntidoter wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:45:41 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Homeless men must be very free in our country.

FOOD STAMPS FTW!

Homeless men do not have access to food stamps. Food stamps require two forms of identification and most homeless men do not even have one. Access to state shelters requires identification and most homeless men do not have it. The homeless men and women who do have identification are harassed by the police. In many Republican states, the police steal the identity cards of homeless men so that they starve to death.

It's their own fault. I can understand living in poverty and maybe still blaming it on somebody, but having no home, no family, and no constant source of income is most solely the fault of the "victim."

Homes are not cheap. Most people do not get along with family. The federal government requires two forms of identification to permit people to work, and businesses do not hire people who are homeless. I never discussed culpability. My argument was simply that people who do not receive free stuff are not very free. The dichotomy between equality and liberty is a false dichotomy.

Those that are paying for a freeloader are not free either.

They absolutely are. They have the most freedom in this nation, control 90% of the wealth, and get even more than the poor do in corporate welfare.
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11/7/2012 8:59:30 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Despite several facts concluding that red states take in more welfare and federal support than blue states
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11/7/2012 9:00:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:55:56 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:52:26 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:49:04 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:47:02 AM, TheAntidoter wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:45:41 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Homeless men must be very free in our country.

FOOD STAMPS FTW!

Homeless men do not have access to food stamps. Food stamps require two forms of identification and most homeless men do not even have one. Access to state shelters requires identification and most homeless men do not have it. The homeless men and women who do have identification are harassed by the police. In many Republican states, the police steal the identity cards of homeless men so that they starve to death.

It's their own fault. I can understand living in poverty and maybe still blaming it on somebody, but having no home, no family, and no constant source of income is most solely the fault of the "victim."

Homes are not cheap. Most people do not get along with family. The federal government requires two forms of identification to permit people to work, and businesses do not hire people who are homeless. I never discussed culpability. My argument was simply that people who do not receive free stuff are not very free. The dichotomy between equality and liberty is a false dichotomy.

Liberty and equality are not at odds because wherever the free market has been let operate, all classes have greatly increased their socio-economic status and economic ability. Yes, there will always be a few of those who will be marginalized due to their own actions. But I'd much rather have a few than many.
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11/7/2012 9:01:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:59:19 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:58:21 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:55:56 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:52:26 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:49:04 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:47:02 AM, TheAntidoter wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:45:41 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Homeless men must be very free in our country.

FOOD STAMPS FTW!

Homeless men do not have access to food stamps. Food stamps require two forms of identification and most homeless men do not even have one. Access to state shelters requires identification and most homeless men do not have it. The homeless men and women who do have identification are harassed by the police. In many Republican states, the police steal the identity cards of homeless men so that they starve to death.

It's their own fault. I can understand living in poverty and maybe still blaming it on somebody, but having no home, no family, and no constant source of income is most solely the fault of the "victim."

Homes are not cheap. Most people do not get along with family. The federal government requires two forms of identification to permit people to work, and businesses do not hire people who are homeless. I never discussed culpability. My argument was simply that people who do not receive free stuff are not very free. The dichotomy between equality and liberty is a false dichotomy.

Those that are paying for a freeloader are not free either.

They absolutely are. They have the most freedom in this nation, control 90% of the wealth, and get even more than the poor do in corporate welfare.

Show me objective sources of this "corporate welfare."
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11/7/2012 9:01:33 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:59:30 AM, emj32 wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Despite several facts concluding that red states take in more welfare and federal support than blue states

Please present these facts.
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11/7/2012 9:02:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:46:26 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:42:36 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
How can people seriously come out and vote in droves for a man with such despotic and tyrannical economic policies that no literate individual who knows anything about artificial demand, debt, and the negative effects of stimuluses would support? People are simply looking out for which ever President will give them the most money or goods and assuming that the role of government is to do that. This is sheer at utter egocentric stupidity coupled with a complete disregard for the real purpose of government.

Polls should be conducted at the end of each vote. Individuals who don't vote for a man solely based on his economic policy ought to not be allowed to vote again or have their votes stripped to 0.5.

Romney's economic plan was to give millionaires more corporate welfare. Any Republican who voted for him ought to willingly turn himself or herself over to the police.

Obama did the same thing.
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11/7/2012 9:02:23 AM
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At 11/7/2012 8:58:23 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:53:37 AM, blameworthy wrote:
If stimulus has such a negative effect, how did it pull our economy out of the Depression? How did it pull the German economy out of the depression. No retarded smoke-and-mirrors Republican tricks on me, please. I am well aware than World War II pulled us out, but the act of shooting bombs and killing people does not give us money, else George Bush must have enriched our economy. World War II provided a context for governmental stimulus into the economy, and that is what pulled us out and what pulled the Germans out.

I never said it didn't have a positive short term effect- it did. This is what Keynesian policies are designed to do. My main concern, as should be most people's, is the long term effects of these stimuluses and creation of artificial demand. They are not only not reflective of what the consumers want, but also create a slippery slope for future government action and artificially increase supply and cause a bubble.

The short term effect is required for us to build a long term effect since investments and money are needed to stimulate an economy. You do not build an economy out of thin air.

Also, in the long term, we are all dead.
"Real growth means production of what people demand. That's entrepreneurship, not your central plan."

Growth comes at the cost of the livelihoods of other nations. European capitalism came at the cost of the lives and freedom and material resources of Africans. When the imperial era ended, the European economies collapsed. Growth requires material drain from other places because material is finite. The economy does not grow by kicking around the costs from one place to another. Growth is immoral and should not be encouraged.
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11/7/2012 9:03:44 AM
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And a bunch on Romney supporters voted without any economic knowledge of the positive effects of a stimulus. In the end the ignorant people would probably cancel out.
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11/7/2012 9:07:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 8:59:30 AM, emj32 wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Despite several facts concluding that red states take in more welfare and federal support than blue states

http://www.statemaster.com...

State one and Two are defiantly blue and have always been blue.

I mean hey I'm cool If you are. I qualify for the free sh!t too, if you cant beat them then join them. I'm gonna go sign up for my free sh!t today!
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11/7/2012 9:07:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 9:03:44 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
And a bunch on Romney supporters voted without any economic knowledge of the positive effects of a stimulus. In the end the ignorant people would probably cancel out.

Except that there aren't any long term positive effects.
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11/7/2012 9:09:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 9:07:15 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:59:30 AM, emj32 wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:43:55 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Free stuff trumps Freedom!

Despite several facts concluding that red states take in more welfare and federal support than blue states

http://www.statemaster.com...

State one and Two are defiantly blue and have always been blue.

I mean hey I'm cool If you are. I qualify for the free sh!t too, if you cant beat them then join them. I'm gonna go sign up for my free sh!t today!

States 1 and 2 have the most thriving economies in the country. California has the fourth largest economy in the world. If good economies reduce the need for welfare, why are so many people receiving welfare in those states?
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11/7/2012 9:11:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 9:02:23 AM, blameworthy wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:58:23 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:53:37 AM, blameworthy wrote:
If stimulus has such a negative effect, how did it pull our economy out of the Depression? How did it pull the German economy out of the depression. No retarded smoke-and-mirrors Republican tricks on me, please. I am well aware than World War II pulled us out, but the act of shooting bombs and killing people does not give us money, else George Bush must have enriched our economy. World War II provided a context for governmental stimulus into the economy, and that is what pulled us out and what pulled the Germans out.

I never said it didn't have a positive short term effect- it did. This is what Keynesian policies are designed to do. My main concern, as should be most people's, is the long term effects of these stimuluses and creation of artificial demand. They are not only not reflective of what the consumers want, but also create a slippery slope for future government action and artificially increase supply and cause a bubble.

The short term effect is required for us to build a long term effect since investments and money are needed to stimulate an economy. You do not build an economy out of thin air.

Actually, you can. It's called letting the free market correct the correction. This lets the economy produce what the people want without creating any artificial demand and a slippery slope for future government policy.

Also, in the long term, we are all dead.

Don't give me that BS. Keynesians are even more egocentric than free marketers. We have a responsibility to make sure that the economy doesn't collapse in the near future. "We" might be dead, but future generations won't be.
"Real growth means production of what people demand. That's entrepreneurship, not your central plan."

Growth comes at the cost of the livelihoods of other nations. European capitalism came at the cost of the lives and freedom and material resources of Africans. When the imperial era ended, the European economies collapsed. Growth requires material drain from other places because material is finite. The economy does not grow by kicking around the costs from one place to another.

Your point? Modern capitalism is trade between nations. I don't advocate for mercantilism type of trade between nations. Imperialism for resources is virtually extinct in today's political and economic climate and replaced by free trade. (inb4 Bush in Iraq)

Growth is immoral and should not be encouraged.

Is/Ought fallacy + unfounded moral assertion.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."