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11/8/2012 12:00:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

I wish you the best of luck.
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11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?
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11/8/2012 12:19:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?

A.) indirect taxes, and appropriated direct taxes
B.) cut spending for unconstitutional programs

The 16th amendment reversed a clear and direct prohibition from the original constitution. It would be like an amendment allowing congress to pass Bills of Attainder or ex post facto Laws.
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11/8/2012 12:20:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?

Pure patriotism, melted down and molded into minted coins.
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11/8/2012 12:21:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 12:19:43 AM, DanT wrote:
At 11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?

A.) indirect taxes, and appropriated direct taxes
B.) cut spending for unconstitutional programs

Thats one of the worst budget plans Ive ever heard...

The 16th amendment reversed a clear and direct prohibition from the original constitution. It would be like an amendment allowing congress to pass Bills of Attainder or ex post facto Laws.
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11/8/2012 12:30:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?

I am guessing taxes could be increased, perhaps new sales taxes would be collected. However, if government spending were reduced to 40% of what it is, there would be no deficit and no need for personal income taxes.

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11/8/2012 1:15:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 12:19:43 AM, DanT wrote:
At 11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?

A.) indirect taxes, and appropriated direct taxes
B.) cut spending for unconstitutional programs

Obama's 2013 Federal budget projects revenues to reach $2.9 trillion. Income taxes account for $1.4 trillion, and altogether $2.66 trillion if you are counting social security and payroll taxes, which would make sense because they are directly related to income. That would leave you with app $250 billion to fund the federal government before going into deficit. The department of defense budget alone is $666 billion. So aside from whatever military you would keep in place, you would pretty much be getting rid of the federal government altogether. No thanks.
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11/8/2012 2:10:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

I fully agree, but the reality is there are too many people that depend on the feral government. You will never get enough to matter.

And on top of that the feral government would wipe it's arse with your petition.

I don't think you get it.

The feral government can tell you who you have to hire if you own a business.

The feral government can tell you who you have to rent your property.

The feral government can throw out any vote by the people.

The feral government can arrest you for following your States laws.

The feral government can ease drop on your private conversations.

The feral government can force you to buy their health care.

The feral government can do pretty much what ever they want at this point.

It's over bro, best just sit back and watch it burn so we can rebuild with whats left.
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11/8/2012 2:28:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 2:10:53 AM, jharry wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

I fully agree, but the reality is there are too many people that depend on the feral government. You will never get enough to matter.

Too true, too true.
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11/8/2012 9:35:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 2:10:53 AM, jharry wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

I fully agree, but the reality is there are too many people that depend on the feral government. You will never get enough to matter.

And on top of that the feral government would wipe it's arse with your petition.


I don't think you get it.

The feral government can tell you who you have to hire if you own a business.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can tell you who you have to rent your property.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can throw out any vote by the people.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can arrest you for following your States laws.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can ease drop on your private conversations.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can force you to buy their health care.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can do pretty much what ever they want at this point.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

It's over bro, best just sit back and watch it burn so we can rebuild with whats left.
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11/8/2012 9:44:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 1:15:01 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/8/2012 12:19:43 AM, DanT wrote:
At 11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?

A.) indirect taxes, and appropriated direct taxes
B.) cut spending for unconstitutional programs

Obama's 2013 Federal budget projects revenues to reach $2.9 trillion. Income taxes account for $1.4 trillion, and altogether $2.66 trillion if you are counting social security and payroll taxes, which would make sense because they are directly related to income. That would leave you with app $250 billion to fund the federal government before going into deficit. The department of defense budget alone is $666 billion. So aside from whatever military you would keep in place, you would pretty much be getting rid of the federal government altogether. No thanks.

Again I'm not suggesting we eliminate income taxes without introducing new taxes to replace them. They can be replaced with an appropriated income tax. If income taxes account for $2.66 trillion than a 17.7% national excise tax on the the manufacture, sale, or consumption of all US goods would be more than enough to replace the income tax.
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11/8/2012 9:48:59 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?

http://www.fairtax.org...
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11/8/2012 9:59:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 9:48:59 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?

http://www.fairtax.org...

Done - Signed. And this^ Fairtax :D
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11/8/2012 10:09:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 9:59:07 AM, CiRrK wrote:
At 11/8/2012 9:48:59 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?

http://www.fairtax.org...

Done - Signed. And this^ Fairtax :D

D
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11/8/2012 7:12:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 2:10:53 AM, jharry wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

I fully agree, but the reality is there are too many people that depend on the feral government. You will never get enough to matter.

And on top of that the feral government would wipe it's arse with your petition.


I don't think you get it.

The feral government can tell you who you have to hire if you own a business.

The feral government can tell you who you have to rent your property.

The feral government can throw out any vote by the people.

The feral government can arrest you for following your States laws.

The feral government can ease drop on your private conversations.

The feral government can force you to buy their health care.

The feral government can do pretty much what ever they want at this point.


: It's over bro, best just sit back and watch it burn so we can rebuild with whats left.


Or burn it.
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11/8/2012 7:26:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

A country with such political grandiosity, geographical vastness, and global competitiveness can't exist on parsimony. You're basically going to knock this country down several spaces just so people have a few extra dollars in their pockets each month.
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11/8/2012 7:30:00 PM
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The Constitution by the way, DanT, is a living document. It was made amendable for the exact reason of dealing with people like yourself....You also can't really reference any essay by one founding father that happens to corroborate your argument, since the world we live in today has extremely different dynamics than the colonial world.
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11/8/2012 7:34:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
New Hampshire just passed a proposition to ban income tax. A result of the Free State Project, no doubt.
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11/8/2012 7:39:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 9:35:50 AM, DanT wrote:
At 11/8/2012 2:10:53 AM, jharry wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

I fully agree, but the reality is there are too many people that depend on the feral government. You will never get enough to matter.

And on top of that the feral government would wipe it's arse with your petition.


I don't think you get it.

The feral government can tell you who you have to hire if you own a business.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can tell you who you have to rent your property.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can throw out any vote by the people.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can arrest you for following your States laws.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can ease drop on your private conversations.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can force you to buy their health care.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.
The feral government can do pretty much what ever they want at this point.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

It's over bro, best just sit back and watch it burn so we can rebuild with whats left.

Apparently you haven't seen the stuff the federal government has being doing, THEY DON'T GIVE A SH!T ABOUT YOUR PETITION AND THE CONSTITUTION!
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11/8/2012 8:59:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 7:34:08 PM, FREEDO wrote:
New Hampshire just passed a proposition to ban income tax. A result of the Free State Project, no doubt.

I know I voted for it
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11/8/2012 10:06:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 9:35:50 AM, DanT wrote:
At 11/8/2012 2:10:53 AM, jharry wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

I fully agree, but the reality is there are too many people that depend on the feral government. You will never get enough to matter.

And on top of that the feral government would wipe it's arse with your petition.


I don't think you get it.

The feral government can tell you who you have to hire if you own a business.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Affirmative Action

The feral government can tell you who you have to rent your property.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Equal Opportunity
The feral government can throw out any vote by the people.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Roe vs Wade, Prop 1 in Calif, War of Northern Aggression
The feral government can arrest you for following your States laws.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Co-ops in California
The feral government can ease drop on your private conversations.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Patriot Act

The feral government can force you to buy their health care.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Obamacare
The feral government can do pretty much what ever they want at this point.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

See above, if the Constitution gets in the way they amend it. 16th amendment

It's over bro, best just sit back and watch it burn so we can rebuild with whats left.

Like I said, it's over. I'm thinking about voting for Democrats and all their insane liberal agendas, maybe it will speed up the burn cycle and we can re do this thing sooner.
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11/8/2012 10:35:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 10:09:50 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 11/8/2012 9:59:07 AM, CiRrK wrote:
At 11/8/2012 9:48:59 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?

http://www.fairtax.org...

Done - Signed. And this^ Fairtax :D

D

Show me how a national sales tax is preferable to a low flat income tax.
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11/13/2012 2:07:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

I signed, but I think your better off making a petition here:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov...
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11/13/2012 2:10:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 2:07:00 PM, truthseeker613 wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

I signed, but I think your better off making a petition here:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov...

Why? The President has no power to amend the constitution. It is congress who proposes new amendments. This website sends a copy of the petition to congress.
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11/13/2012 2:17:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 10:06:35 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/8/2012 9:35:50 AM, DanT wrote:
At 11/8/2012 2:10:53 AM, jharry wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

I fully agree, but the reality is there are too many people that depend on the feral government. You will never get enough to matter.

And on top of that the feral government would wipe it's arse with your petition.


I don't think you get it.

The feral government can tell you who you have to hire if you own a business.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Affirmative Action

The feral government can tell you who you have to rent your property.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Equal Opportunity
none of that makes it constitutional
The feral government can throw out any vote by the people.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Roe vs Wade, Prop 1 in Calif, War of Northern Aggression
Never refrence the supreme court unless you are discussing something that the courts can enforce. Like Miranda rights, which is enforced from the bench. The supreme court's power is very limited.

Again I say "doesn't make it constitutional".
The feral government can arrest you for following your States laws.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Co-ops in California
The feral government can ease drop on your private conversations.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Patriot Act

The feral government can force you to buy their health care.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

Obamacare

none of that makes it constitutional
The feral government can do pretty much what ever they want at this point.

No they can't. That's unconstitutional.

See above, if the Constitution gets in the way they amend it. 16th amendment
amending requires state ratification; it's not easy, which is why they no-longer bother.

It's over bro, best just sit back and watch it burn so we can rebuild with whats left.

None of what you said proves it is constitution.

Like I said, it's over. I'm thinking about voting for Democrats and all their insane liberal agendas, maybe it will speed up the burn cycle and we can re do this thing sooner.

That is not only stupid but insane
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11/13/2012 2:48:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/8/2012 10:35:23 PM, Contra wrote:
At 11/8/2012 10:09:50 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 11/8/2012 9:59:07 AM, CiRrK wrote:
At 11/8/2012 9:48:59 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 11/8/2012 12:11:38 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

And how would you plan to pay for the country's bills and debt?

http://www.fairtax.org...

Done - Signed. And this^ Fairtax :D

D

Show me how a national sales tax is preferable to a low flat income tax.

The GDP is $15.09 Trillion while the GNI is $15.23 Trillion. So ignoring any economic impact (the extent of which is currently x) a 10.09% sales tax = a 10% flat income tax. The difference is miniscule, and the smallest economic impact can make the sales tax more profitable.

National sales tax is indirect, income tax is direct. Direct taxes are always more harmful economically than indirect taxes. A Sales tax is imposed on sales (optional) whereas a income tax is imposed on wages (forced). With a income tax you are taxed regardless of you financial capacity to do so. With a sales tax you are taxed for the amount of business done. The sales tax is thus more economically healthy, as it does not disrupt the flow of money. People can still save up to buy x, as their income is their own. More money can be better allocated to the individual need, allowing for more economic growth and prosperity. If 10% of the GNI was to be taken out of the economy, it would be equivalent to a 10.09% increase in sales. The only difference is that with an increase in sale the consumer can still choose where and how to allocate and spend that money. Because of that, direct taxes create a larger burden, which dampens economic growth.

Further more, indirect taxes are more efficient for tax collectors and the tax payers, in regards to both time and money.
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11/13/2012 8:07:31 PM
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11/13/2012 8:53:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 2:10:32 PM, DanT wrote:
At 11/13/2012 2:07:00 PM, truthseeker613 wrote:
At 11/7/2012 11:58:55 PM, DanT wrote:
Will you sign my petition to repeal the 16th amendment?
https://www.change.org...

I signed, but I think your better off making a petition here:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov...

Why? The President has no power to amend the constitution. It is congress who proposes new amendments. This website sends a copy of the petition to congress.

Youre using it right now to make a petition to repeal minimum wage laws.....
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