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Lordknukle
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11/9/2012 1:46:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
What better way to honor those who kill for money by throwing an entire holoday for them? After all, killing is always wrong except when it's done against pesky Middle Easterns. Of course, we obviously had nothing to do with the reason why they attacked us, but we're still killing them for lolz.

On a serious note, there's absolutely no reason to honor those who kill for money. Not only are they causing havoc overseas, which is the very reason that they are being killed, but they are also doing it for supposed "peace." Last I checked, drone strikes that kill hundreds of innocent civilians and wars that kill over 150k of the native population are always promoting the best interest of international peace. When they attack us, it's considered a threat of "war" and we respond by sending thousands of our troops over there. When we attack them first, it's considered for the greater good and to civilize their own population under the pretense of either some "maniacal" dictator or because of some rogue group that has no affiliation with a country. And then, because of our oh-so positive attitude towards foreign peace, the very group that we attack becomes 7x its size due to our actions.

Case in point: Honoring the modern killing of civilians in other countries by guns-for-hire is an idiotic idea.
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11/9/2012 1:55:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 1:46:06 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
What better way to honor those who kill for money by throwing an entire holoday for them? After all, killing is always wrong except when it's done against pesky Middle Easterns. Of course, we obviously had nothing to do with the reason why they attacked us, but we're still killing them for lolz.

On a serious note, there's absolutely no reason to honor those who kill for money. Not only are they causing havoc overseas, which is the very reason that they are being killed, but they are also doing it for supposed "peace." Last I checked, drone strikes that kill hundreds of innocent civilians and wars that kill over 150k of the native population are always promoting the best interest of international peace. When they attack us, it's considered a threat of "war" and we respond by sending thousands of our troops over there. When we attack them first, it's considered for the greater good and to civilize their own population under the pretense of either some "maniacal" dictator or because of some rogue group that has no affiliation with a country. And then, because of our oh-so positive attitude towards foreign peace, the very group that we attack becomes 7x its size due to our actions.

Case in point: Honoring the modern killing of civilians in other countries by guns-for-hire is an idiotic idea.

Agreed, I say we replace it with a day dedicated to reminding people with down syndrome that they're inferior. Maybe we could call it "bash a downy" day.
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11/9/2012 1:56:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 1:52:50 PM, tulle wrote:
Remembrance Day is about WWI, not the current wars.

It's meant to honor all of the fighting that the mercenaries have done over the years.

Either way, in none of the World Wars, did the US even try to pursue diplomatic negotations with any of the countries before leaping into war.
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11/9/2012 1:56:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 1:55:25 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:46:06 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
What better way to honor those who kill for money by throwing an entire holoday for them? After all, killing is always wrong except when it's done against pesky Middle Easterns. Of course, we obviously had nothing to do with the reason why they attacked us, but we're still killing them for lolz.

On a serious note, there's absolutely no reason to honor those who kill for money. Not only are they causing havoc overseas, which is the very reason that they are being killed, but they are also doing it for supposed "peace." Last I checked, drone strikes that kill hundreds of innocent civilians and wars that kill over 150k of the native population are always promoting the best interest of international peace. When they attack us, it's considered a threat of "war" and we respond by sending thousands of our troops over there. When we attack them first, it's considered for the greater good and to civilize their own population under the pretense of either some "maniacal" dictator or because of some rogue group that has no affiliation with a country. And then, because of our oh-so positive attitude towards foreign peace, the very group that we attack becomes 7x its size due to our actions.

Case in point: Honoring the modern killing of civilians in other countries by guns-for-hire is an idiotic idea.

Agreed, I say we replace it with a day dedicated to reminding people with down syndrome that they're inferior. Maybe we could call it "bash a downy" day.

Seriously? Still butt hurt about that? Do you know anybody with DS?
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11/9/2012 1:59:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
SAwesome, a Veterans day thread!!!

This weekend my family and I will be attending several celebrations. A parade tomorrow. A community cook out later that evening. And after Church a Veterans day festival up in St. Florian.

Anyone else have plans for this awesome holiday?

I would also like to request thoughts and prayers for my two younger brothers currently serving this great Nation overseas. They have followed the strong family tradition of serving this country, even those that would degrade and spit on them
God Bless America.

The youngest is in the Army currently serving in Afghanistan.

And the other is serving in the Navy aboard a submarine, God knows where they are. That stuff is top secret.
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11/9/2012 2:00:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 1:56:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Either way, in none of the World Wars, did the US even try to pursue diplomatic negotations with any of the countries before leaping into war.
Uh oh. Yes it did. Open up a history book, Ma'am.
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11/9/2012 2:01:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 1:52:50 PM, tulle wrote:
Remembrance Day is about WWI, not the current wars.

See this thread is also ripe for the pickings. But I think is already backed up for a month already.
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11/9/2012 2:18:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 2:00:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:56:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Either way, in none of the World Wars, did the US even try to pursue diplomatic negotations with any of the countries before leaping into war.
Uh oh. Yes it did. Open up a history book, Ma'am.

In WWII, the USA joined immediately after Pearl Harbor.

In WWI, the USA joined more or less after a merchant vessel was sunk.
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11/9/2012 2:23:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 1:56:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:55:25 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:

Agreed, I say we replace it with a day dedicated to reminding people with down syndrome that they're inferior. Maybe we could call it "bash a downy" day.

Seriously? Still butt hurt about that? Do you know anybody with DS?

Yeah, get over it already. If we can't degrade the disabled, what are we even doing here?
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11/9/2012 2:24:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Also, the Vietnam War is another perfect example of the sheer and utter stupidity that the USA has in relation to foreign policy. They marched into a foreign country, with virtually no reason, and got their as$ handed to them all the while massacring hundreds of thousands of native civilians and militia fighters.
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11/9/2012 2:24:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 2:23:02 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:56:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:55:25 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:

Agreed, I say we replace it with a day dedicated to reminding people with down syndrome that they're inferior. Maybe we could call it "bash a downy" day.

Seriously? Still butt hurt about that? Do you know anybody with DS?

Yeah, get over it already. If we can't degrade the disabled, what are we even doing here?

I do disagree about making a holiday for that, though. Every day should be bash-someone-with-down-syndrome-day.
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11/9/2012 2:25:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 2:23:02 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:56:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:55:25 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:

Agreed, I say we replace it with a day dedicated to reminding people with down syndrome that they're inferior. Maybe we could call it "bash a downy" day.

Seriously? Still butt hurt about that? Do you know anybody with DS?

Yeah, get over it already. If we can't degrade the disabled, what are we even doing here?

el-oh-el.

Not knowing someone with Downs Syndrome doesn't make what you (LK) said less abhorrent (not to mention false).
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11/9/2012 2:26:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 2:24:42 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 11/9/2012 2:23:02 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:56:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:55:25 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:

Agreed, I say we replace it with a day dedicated to reminding people with down syndrome that they're inferior. Maybe we could call it "bash a downy" day.

Seriously? Still butt hurt about that? Do you know anybody with DS?

Yeah, get over it already. If we can't degrade the disabled, what are we even doing here?

I do disagree about making a holiday for that, though. Every day should be bash-someone-with-down-syndrome-day.

Truth is truth.
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11/9/2012 2:26:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 2:23:02 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:56:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:55:25 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:

Agreed, I say we replace it with a day dedicated to reminding people with down syndrome that they're inferior. Maybe we could call it "bash a downy" day.

Seriously? Still butt hurt about that? Do you know anybody with DS?

Yeah, get over it already. If we can't degrade the disabled, what are we even doing here?

It's not a matter of degradation; it's matter of recognition of fact.
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11/9/2012 2:27:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
But this holiday can get me great deals on Hummers!!!
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11/9/2012 2:28:48 PM
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At 11/9/2012 2:18:32 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
In WWII, the USA joined immediately after Pearl Harbor.

In WWI, the USA joined more or less after a merchant vessel was sunk.
Can you tell me something about any diplomatic exchanges prior to the events? Can you also tell my why USA should try to negotiate anything after those two events? (Especially Pearl Harbor - It takes gigantic idiocy to think negotiations with the Japanese back then would be fair or effective.)
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11/9/2012 2:29:24 PM
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At 11/9/2012 1:52:50 PM, tulle wrote:
Remembrance Day is about WWI, not the current wars.

Also, the British do it better.
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11/9/2012 2:31:52 PM
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And Lordknukle, How dare you not support the military that, out of all other institutions, does not offer ANY job for Down's Syndrome people? Shame on you!
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11/9/2012 2:32:41 PM
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At 11/9/2012 2:29:24 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:52:50 PM, tulle wrote:
Remembrance Day is about WWI, not the current wars.

Also, the British do it better.

I don't know about everywhere else but in Canada we wear poppies? John McCrae (Canadian surgeon during WWI) wrote "In Flanders Fields" which is a pretty big deal here :p

What do you guys do?
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11/9/2012 2:37:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 2:28:48 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 11/9/2012 2:18:32 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
In WWII, the USA joined immediately after Pearl Harbor.

In WWI, the USA joined more or less after a merchant vessel was sunk.
Can you tell me something about any diplomatic exchanges prior to the events? Can you also tell my why USA should try to negotiate anything after those two events? (Especially Pearl Harbor - It takes gigantic idiocy to think negotiations with the Japanese back then would be fair or effective.)

Can you?
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11/9/2012 2:37:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 2:18:32 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/9/2012 2:00:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:56:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Either way, in none of the World Wars, did the US even try to pursue diplomatic negotations with any of the countries before leaping into war.
Uh oh. Yes it did. Open up a history book, Ma'am.

In WWII, the USA joined immediately after Pearl Harbor.

In WWI, the USA joined more or less after a merchant vessel was sunk.

ROFLMAO

USA Joined way after the first merchant ship was sunk. The USA didn't join after the British intercepted a message from the Germans negotiating with the Mexicans to invade the USA. The US government waited for the German Foreign Minister to say "yes, we sent this" to send the message. In fact, if the German Foreign Minister wasn't so honest, he'd have pretty much won world war one for the Germans. Most didn't think he sent the message to Mexico: most thought it was a ploy by the British to get the USA to join in with the World War. Zimmerman (the German Foreign Minister) was a deciding factor in the Russian Revolution in all things, due to his negotiations with Lenin, and his work for the Germans were admirable (if it wasn't for the fact he lost the war, and was too honest. Too honest is a strange saying...)

Long story short: your lack of historical knowledge is embarrassing here.
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11/9/2012 2:46:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 2:32:41 PM, tulle wrote:
At 11/9/2012 2:29:24 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:52:50 PM, tulle wrote:
Remembrance Day is about WWI, not the current wars.

Also, the British do it better.

I don't know about everywhere else but in Canada we wear poppies? John McCrae (Canadian surgeon during WWI) wrote "In Flanders Fields" which is a pretty big deal here :p

What do you guys do?

We're in the Commonwealth - technically run the Commonwealth, but it's a tangental note of one-upmanship- how do you think? ;)

We have poppies for basically the entire month as remembrance over the period (as well as Movember which is a sidenote for this topic), as well as for some (e.g. MPs) beforehand. We have Douglas Haig making it massively prominent, and pretty much everyone wears one on Remembrance Sunday.

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11/9/2012 5:34:31 PM
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At 11/9/2012 1:59:55 PM, jharry wrote:
SAwesome, a Veterans day thread!!!

This weekend my family and I will be attending several celebrations. A parade tomorrow. A community cook out later that evening. And after Church a Veterans day festival up in St. Florian.

Anyone else have plans for this awesome holiday?

I would also like to request thoughts and prayers for my two younger brothers currently serving this great Nation overseas. They have followed the strong family tradition of serving this country, even those that would degrade and spit on them
God Bless America.

The youngest is in the Army currently serving in Afghanistan.

And the other is serving in the Navy aboard a submarine, God knows where they are. That stuff is top secret.

Our thoughts and prayers, as well as our deepest gratitude, are with your brothers and all others like them.
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11/9/2012 5:43:18 PM
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At 11/9/2012 5:34:31 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 11/9/2012 1:59:55 PM, jharry wrote:
SAwesome, a Veterans day thread!!!

This weekend my family and I will be attending several celebrations. A parade tomorrow. A community cook out later that evening. And after Church a Veterans day festival up in St. Florian.

Anyone else have plans for this awesome holiday?

I would also like to request thoughts and prayers for my two younger brothers currently serving this great Nation overseas. They have followed the strong family tradition of serving this country, even those that would degrade and spit on them
God Bless America.

The youngest is in the Army currently serving in Afghanistan.

And the other is serving in the Navy aboard a submarine, God knows where they are. That stuff is top secret.

Our thoughts and prayers, as well as our deepest gratitude, are with your brothers and all others like them.

Thank you Medic, you know as well as I do what that means to our boys and girls over there.

It may be interesting to know that my brother, Nick, he is Nicky to me and he hates it lol, is a combat medic and will most likely be in your line of work when he gets home.
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11/9/2012 7:15:43 PM
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At 11/9/2012 1:52:50 PM, tulle wrote:
Remembrance Day is about WWI, not the current wars.

Haha, oh irony. World War one was one of the most useless wars in history.
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11/9/2012 7:22:08 PM
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Oh and while LK did rush too quickly into his assertions about the US's involvement in the world wars, I do agree with him whole heartedly that the US military does not now and has rarely ever had anything to be proud about. I challenge someone to name a single war other than the Revolutionary War or World War 2 in which the United States acted ethically and produced a positive outcome.
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11/9/2012 7:32:07 PM
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The Revolution was ethical??? It was terrorism.
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