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11/9/2012 8:52:34 PM
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Some Republican guy said something offensive about rape.

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11/9/2012 9:12:41 PM
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One big problem I have with Peter Singer.

*Writes a book on how animals should be treated better. Supports infanticide. Wtf?
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11/9/2012 9:27:35 PM
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At 11/9/2012 9:12:41 PM, phantom wrote:
One big problem I have with Peter Singer.

*Writes a book on how animals should be treated better. Supports infanticide. Wtf?

Singer notes that a lot of animals have more intelligence than an infant does.
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11/9/2012 9:42:44 PM
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At 11/9/2012 9:27:35 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/9/2012 9:12:41 PM, phantom wrote:
One big problem I have with Peter Singer.

*Writes a book on how animals should be treated better. Supports infanticide. Wtf?

Singer notes that a lot of animals have more intelligence than an infant does.

Did anyone note that they prolly have more intelligence than Singer does, as well??
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11/9/2012 10:01:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 8:39:55 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Unlike normal abortions, after-birth abortions are murder and the doctors who carry them out should be punished by the law.

I thought you said it was ok as long as they were under 2?
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11/9/2012 10:02:07 PM
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At 11/9/2012 10:01:16 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 11/9/2012 8:39:55 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Unlike normal abortions, after-birth abortions are murder and the doctors who carry them out should be punished by the law.

I thought you said it was ok as long as they were under 2?

I have changed my mind since then. Mestari convinced me otherwise about six months ago.
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11/9/2012 10:23:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 8:37:09 PM, DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Medical Journalists Call for "After-Birth Abortions", Say Infants "Aren"t People"
http://naturalsociety.com...

feminism!

This can't be for real. Is it like something from the Onion??
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11/9/2012 10:46:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 10:23:10 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 11/9/2012 8:37:09 PM, DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Medical Journalists Call for "After-Birth Abortions", Say Infants "Aren"t People"
http://naturalsociety.com...

feminism!

This can't be for real. Is it like something from the Onion??

Come on, haven't you ever been in a restaurant and that screaming baby just won't shut up?
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11/9/2012 10:51:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 9:12:41 PM, phantom wrote:
One big problem I have with Peter Singer.

*Writes a book on how animals should be treated better. Supports infanticide. Wtf?

I was confused there for a minute, Pete singer, not Pete seeger ha makes more sense
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11/9/2012 11:43:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 10:02:07 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/9/2012 10:01:16 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 11/9/2012 8:39:55 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Unlike normal abortions, after-birth abortions are murder and the doctors who carry them out should be punished by the law.

I thought you said it was ok as long as they were under 2?

I have changed my mind since then. Mestari convinced me otherwise about six months ago.

What in the world is wrong with you that you ever could have thought it to be ok to kill babies?

I'm sorry, that's nothing like two people disagreeing over schools of economic thought... that's simply disturbing.
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11/9/2012 11:44:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 11:43:39 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 11/9/2012 10:02:07 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/9/2012 10:01:16 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 11/9/2012 8:39:55 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Unlike normal abortions, after-birth abortions are murder and the doctors who carry them out should be punished by the law.

I thought you said it was ok as long as they were under 2?

I have changed my mind since then. Mestari convinced me otherwise about six months ago.

What in the world is wrong with you that you ever could have thought it to be ok to kill babies?

I'm sorry, that's nothing like two people disagreeing over schools of economic thought... that's simply disturbing.

I'm just curious, what inherently makes it disturbing?
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11/10/2012 1:25:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 10:46:25 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 11/9/2012 10:23:10 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 11/9/2012 8:37:09 PM, DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Medical Journalists Call for "After-Birth Abortions", Say Infants "Aren"t People"
http://naturalsociety.com...

feminism!

This can't be for real. Is it like something from the Onion??

Come on, haven't you ever been in a restaurant and that screaming baby just won't shut up?

Once. The baby will never cry again.
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11/10/2012 4:35:20 AM
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At 11/9/2012 8:37:09 PM, DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Medical Journalists Call for "After-Birth Abortions", Say Infants "Aren"t People"
http://naturalsociety.com...

feminism!

Science does seem to suggest that it takes at least a few months for rationality (humanity) to set in in a post-birth homo sapien.
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11/10/2012 4:40:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 8:39:55 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Unlike normal abortions, after-birth abortions are murder and the doctors who carry them out should be punished by the law.

Lol, I remember a comment from someone way back when about allowing abortions up to three years old.
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11/10/2012 4:41:22 AM
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At 11/10/2012 4:35:20 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Science does seem to suggest that it takes at least a few months for rationality (humanity) to set in in a post-birth homo sapien.

Pretty close. It actually never sets in.
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11/10/2012 4:46:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/10/2012 4:41:22 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/10/2012 4:35:20 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Science does seem to suggest that it takes at least a few months for rationality (humanity) to set in in a post-birth homo sapien.

Pretty close. It actually never sets in.

Performative contradiction.
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11/10/2012 4:59:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/10/2012 4:46:37 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/10/2012 4:41:22 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/10/2012 4:35:20 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Science does seem to suggest that it takes at least a few months for rationality (humanity) to set in in a post-birth homo sapien.

Pretty close. It actually never sets in.

Performative contradiction.

Ironic verification.
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11/10/2012 5:03:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/10/2012 4:40:06 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/9/2012 8:39:55 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Unlike normal abortions, after-birth abortions are murder and the doctors who carry them out should be punished by the law.

Lol, I remember a comment from someone way back when about allowing abortions up to three years old.

OH, sillly Freedo, its only two now. Though, now she says as soon as it pops out its a human. Pretty radical change there.
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11/10/2012 6:17:44 AM
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A lot of the folks on these boards are an argument for retroactive abortion.
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11/10/2012 9:55:44 AM
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At 11/9/2012 8:39:55 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Unlike normal abortions, after-birth abortions are murder and the doctors who carry them out should be punished by the law.

While I applaud you for the change in your stance, the problem still exists that as long as we are allowed to arbitrarily and subjectively define personhood, there will be those who have other subjective beliefs. You have no objective source that you can point to to show that your opinion is superior to that of someone who believes that after birth abortions should be legal.
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11/10/2012 10:51:37 AM
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At 11/9/2012 8:37:09 PM, DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Medical Journalists Call for "After-Birth Abortions", Say Infants "Aren"t People"
http://naturalsociety.com...

feminism!

What makes a baby 2 days after birth any different than 2 days before? They are both just as developed.
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11/10/2012 3:16:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/10/2012 10:51:37 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/9/2012 8:37:09 PM, DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Medical Journalists Call for "After-Birth Abortions", Say Infants "Aren"t People"
http://naturalsociety.com...

feminism!

What makes a baby 2 days after birth any different than 2 days before? They are both just as developed.

The difference is, firstly, the practicality of a standard. And, secondly, that a born child can stay alive outside of the womb.

There's an unconventional position in the abortion debate called "eviction". Which is to say that a fetus can be removed but that it cannot be killed.
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11/10/2012 3:23:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 9:27:35 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/9/2012 9:12:41 PM, phantom wrote:
One big problem I have with Peter Singer.

*Writes a book on how animals should be treated better. Supports infanticide. Wtf?

Singer notes that a lot of animals have more intelligence than an infant does.

True. Singer claims that many animals are persons. However I just don't see how he can apply his views on animals but have such extreme views on infants. Maybe his utilitarianism has something to do with it. I haven't read the book.
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11/10/2012 3:24:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 9:42:44 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 11/9/2012 9:27:35 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/9/2012 9:12:41 PM, phantom wrote:
One big problem I have with Peter Singer.

*Writes a book on how animals should be treated better. Supports infanticide. Wtf?

Singer notes that a lot of animals have more intelligence than an infant does.

Did anyone note that they prolly have more intelligence than Singer does, as well??

Bashing on one of the most prominent philosophers of our time, k.
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11/10/2012 3:44:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There's some pretty powerful statements in that paper, such as:

"Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a "person" in the sense of "subject of a moral right to life"."

Read more: http://naturalsociety.com...

They rationalize this stance by claiming that someone evidences their right to life by through some utility to which they apply themselves. Under their perspective, the lives of children are pretty useless until the age of 6.