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# The US election system: fair or not

 Posts: 68 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/16/2012 1:07:41 PMPosted: 4 years agoElecting the US president; how toTo simplify the matter, assume there are only 7 statesState A counts as 5 votes (based on population of that state) Majority voted for XState B counts as 4 votes ( based on ...). Majority in that state voted for YState C counts as 9 votes (based on ... ). Majority in that state voted for XState D counts as 6 votes (based on ...). Majority in that state voted for YState E counts as 14 votes (based on ...) Majority in that state voted for XState F counts as 6 votes ( based on ...) Majority in that state voted for YState G counts as 21 votes (based on ... ) Majority in that state voted for YTo summarize:X received 5+9+14=28 votes and Y received 4+6+6+21=37 votes. Y is the winner.* * *I do not know why this system is called "Electoral College." In fact, the word "college" confused me for a long time. What does it have to do with colleges in which we study?Suppose the president is elected by the sytem called "popular vote," used in some other countries.In that case votes of individual citizens are counted, as illustrated below (this is also a simplification).State A ==> 22 million voted for X and 3 million voted for Y.State B ==> 4 million voted for X and 5 million voted for Y.State C ==> 9 million voted for X and 13 million voted for Y.State D ==> 12 million voted for X and 3 million voted for Y.State E ==> 8 million voted for X and 23 million voted for Y.State F ==> 2 million voted for X and 3 million voted for Y.State G ==> 11 million voted for X and 8 million voted for Y.To summarize:X ==> 22+4+9+12+8+2+11=68 millionY ==> 3+5+13+3+23+3+8 =58 millionIn this case X is the winner. Is this fair or not? See:www.nytimes.com/2012/10/03/opinion/electoral-college-101.html?ref=opinionhttp://www.archives.gov...Ludwik Kowalski,http://csam.montclair.edu...========================================Ludwik Kowalski, author of "Diary of a Former Communist: Thoughts, Feelings, Reality."
 Posts: 5,693 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/16/2012 3:49:42 PMPosted: 4 years agoAt 11/16/2012 1:07:41 PM, kowalskil wrote:Electing the US president; how toTo simplify the matter, assume there are only 7 statesState A counts as 5 votes (based on population of that state) Majority voted for XState B counts as 4 votes ( based on ...). Majority in that state voted for YState C counts as 9 votes (based on ... ). Majority in that state voted for XState D counts as 6 votes (based on ...). Majority in that state voted for YState E counts as 14 votes (based on ...) Majority in that state voted for XState F counts as 6 votes ( based on ...) Majority in that state voted for YState G counts as 21 votes (based on ... ) Majority in that state voted for YTo summarize:X received 5+9+14=28 votes and Y received 4+6+6+21=37 votes. Y is the winner.* * *I do not know why this system is called "Electoral College." In fact, the word "college" confused me for a long time. What does it have to do with colleges in which we study?Suppose the president is elected by the sytem called "popular vote," used in some other countries.In that case votes of individual citizens are counted, as illustrated below (this is also a simplification).State A ==> 22 million voted for X and 3 million voted for Y.State B ==> 4 million voted for X and 5 million voted for Y.State C ==> 9 million voted for X and 13 million voted for Y.State D ==> 12 million voted for X and 3 million voted for Y.State E ==> 8 million voted for X and 23 million voted for Y.State F ==> 2 million voted for X and 3 million voted for Y.State G ==> 11 million voted for X and 8 million voted for Y.To summarize:X ==> 22+4+9+12+8+2+11=68 millionY ==> 3+5+13+3+23+3+8 =58 millionIn this case X is the winner. Is this fair or not? See:www.nytimes.com/2012/10/03/opinion/electoral-college-101.html?ref=opinionhttp://www.archives.gov...Ludwik Kowalski,http://csam.montclair.edu...========================================they should do away with the winner takes all policy, and electors should not have penalties for voting for the other candidate."Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
 Posts: 3,749 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/16/2012 3:57:47 PMPosted: 4 years agoWhen they make me King of the US, I'll have to remember to fix that for you.And I do to be a benevolent despot, so just to be clear, and fair, am I changing it from Electoral College to Electoral something else, or just making it popular vote?Does Electoral Thingamabob work?"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
 Posts: 5,316 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/17/2012 3:55:37 AMPosted: 4 years agoThe problem is that a massive swathe of the population are not represented in most states simply because the states are "safe" so their votes hardly matter.Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP. Social Contract Theory debate: http://www.debate.org...
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