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11/19/2012 2:11:32 PM
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...as population increases, isn't this a given?
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11/19/2012 2:16:00 PM
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This is a significant problem the nation faces. One thing that I am proud of Obama for doing is reducing the prison population during his term.
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11/19/2012 2:16:28 PM
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At 11/19/2012 2:11:32 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
...as population increases, isn't this a given?

my thoughts exactly.
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11/19/2012 2:26:37 PM
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Today, more college educated white people are living in moderate wealth without a criminal record than in 1850.

There is a conspiracy afoot.
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11/19/2012 2:27:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/19/2012 2:16:00 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
This is a significant problem the nation faces. One thing that I am proud of Obama for doing is reducing the prison population during his term.

How did he do this? How can you justify giving him credit for that?
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11/19/2012 2:29:08 PM
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At 11/19/2012 2:27:04 PM, DanT wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:16:00 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
This is a significant problem the nation faces. One thing that I am proud of Obama for doing is reducing the prison population during his term.

How did he do this? How can you justify giving him credit for that?

Wow, I skipped over this little gem. Explain thyself !!!
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11/19/2012 2:35:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
i do believe the statistic is to make reference to the inordinate percentage of black people in incarceration, idiots.
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11/19/2012 2:35:41 PM
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At 11/19/2012 2:16:00 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
This is a significant problem the nation faces. One thing that I am proud of Obama for doing is reducing the prison population during his term.

(1) Blatantly false. The U.S. prison population comprised about 1.6 million people in 2008 (http://www.nytimes.com...). This number is not around 2.2 million (http://www.sentencingproject.org...). Sorry, no decrease.

(2) Obama hasn't taken any real steps towards reducing the prison population. It's not even like he tried and failed. He never even tried. Look at the drug war. Obama ran in 08 partially on the promise to deescalate the drug war to focus more on public health (http://www.coha.org...), something that has been shown to be also blatantly false considering his drastic increase in the domestic drug war.
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11/19/2012 2:36:12 PM
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At 11/19/2012 2:16:28 PM, imabench wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:11:32 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
...as population increases, isn't this a given?

my thoughts exactly.

That is the direct opposite of the what this law professor is demonstrating and demonstrates an enormous amount of backwards thinking on both of your parts. It doesn't strike you as odd that more black men are imprisoned in America than were slaves in 1850?! The US has 4.5% of the world population, yet it has 23% of the world's prison population. Blacks comprise around 40% of the prison population, whereas they comprise around 14% of the US population. You can look at statistics for nearly every offense to see the number of people arrested, convicted, and their sentence severity to understand the discrimination and outright injustice of the system is biased against black men.
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11/19/2012 2:37:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/19/2012 2:16:00 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
This is a significant problem the nation faces. One thing that I am proud of Obama for doing is reducing the prison population during his term.

Weekly Stupid material?
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11/19/2012 2:37:50 PM
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At 11/19/2012 2:35:30 PM, badger wrote:
i do believe the statistic is to make reference to the inordinate percentage of black people in incarceration, idiots.

Thank the FSM, there is intelligence in our midst! One of those idiots ironically runs the "Weekly Stupid."
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11/19/2012 2:41:13 PM
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At 11/19/2012 2:35:41 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:16:00 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
This is a significant problem the nation faces. One thing that I am proud of Obama for doing is reducing the prison population during his term.

(1) Blatantly false. The U.S. prison population comprised about 1.6 million people in 2008 (http://www.nytimes.com...). This number is not around 2.2 million (http://www.sentencingproject.org...). Sorry, no decrease.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov...

(2) Obama hasn't taken any real steps towards reducing the prison population. It's not even like he tried and failed. He never even tried. Look at the drug war. Obama ran in 08 partially on the promise to deescalate the drug war to focus more on public health (http://www.coha.org...), something that has been shown to be also blatantly false considering his drastic increase in the domestic drug war.

Are you forgetting the Fair Sentencing Act, and boosted funding for drug courts?
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11/19/2012 2:47:05 PM
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At 11/19/2012 2:35:30 PM, badger wrote:
i do believe the statistic is to make reference to the inordinate percentage of black people in incarceration, idiots.

1.> This is Sparta. (Kicks Badger into a dark pit).
2.> On DDO, we debate....everything.
3.> He didn't list inordinate percentages and it's just barely a statistic.
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11/19/2012 2:47:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/19/2012 2:41:13 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:35:41 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:16:00 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
This is a significant problem the nation faces. One thing that I am proud of Obama for doing is reducing the prison population during his term.

(1) Blatantly false. The U.S. prison population comprised about 1.6 million people in 2008 (http://www.nytimes.com...). This number is not around 2.2 million (http://www.sentencingproject.org...). Sorry, no decrease.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov...

(2) Obama hasn't taken any real steps towards reducing the prison population. It's not even like he tried and failed. He never even tried. Look at the drug war. Obama ran in 08 partially on the promise to deescalate the drug war to focus more on public health (http://www.coha.org...), something that has been shown to be also blatantly false considering his drastic increase in the domestic drug war.

Are you forgetting the Fair Sentencing Act,

Extremely minor compared to the fact that Obama is running a drug war which puts those people in court in the first place.

and boosted funding for drug courts?

See above. Furthermore you seem to have conceded that Obama has next to nothing to show for these supposedly important actions i.e., the prison population has increased, not decreased.
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11/19/2012 2:50:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/19/2012 2:47:05 PM, Heineken wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:35:30 PM, badger wrote:
i do believe the statistic is to make reference to the inordinate percentage of black people in incarceration, idiots.

1.> This is Sparta. (Kicks Badger into a dark pit).
2.> On DDO, we debate....everything.
3.> He didn't list inordinate percentages and it's just barely a statistic.

1. please...
2. your point?
3. you're dumb for not realising that's what it referred to.
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11/19/2012 2:51:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/19/2012 2:47:07 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:41:13 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:35:41 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:16:00 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
This is a significant problem the nation faces. One thing that I am proud of Obama for doing is reducing the prison population during his term.

(1) Blatantly false. The U.S. prison population comprised about 1.6 million people in 2008 (http://www.nytimes.com...). This number is not around 2.2 million (http://www.sentencingproject.org...). Sorry, no decrease.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov...

(2) Obama hasn't taken any real steps towards reducing the prison population. It's not even like he tried and failed. He never even tried. Look at the drug war. Obama ran in 08 partially on the promise to deescalate the drug war to focus more on public health (http://www.coha.org...), something that has been shown to be also blatantly false considering his drastic increase in the domestic drug war.

Are you forgetting the Fair Sentencing Act,

Extremely minor compared to the fact that Obama is running a drug war which puts those people in court in the first place.

A minor? Cocaine incarcerations account for more of the prisoners from the drug war than marijuana prosecutions.

and boosted funding for drug courts?

See above. Furthermore you seem to have conceded that Obama has next to nothing to show for these supposedly important actions i.e., the prison population has increased, not decreased.

I did not concede that, if you paid attention to my post. Explain this: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov...
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11/19/2012 2:54:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/19/2012 2:36:12 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:16:28 PM, imabench wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:11:32 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
...as population increases, isn't this a given?

my thoughts exactly.

That is the direct opposite of the what this law professor is demonstrating and demonstrates an enormous amount of backwards thinking on both of your parts. It doesn't strike you as odd that more black men are imprisoned in America than were slaves in 1850?! The US has 4.5% of the world population, yet it has 23% of the world's prison population. Blacks comprise around 40% of the prison population, whereas they comprise around 14% of the US population. You can look at statistics for nearly every offense to see the number of people arrested, convicted, and their sentence severity to understand the discrimination and outright injustice of the system is biased against black men.

No one is denying that the system is more biased towards african american men, its just that it is also true that population growth is a factor in why the number of blacks in prison today is more then the number of blacks who were slaves about 150 years ago.
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11/19/2012 2:55:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/19/2012 2:37:50 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:35:30 PM, badger wrote:
i do believe the statistic is to make reference to the inordinate percentage of black people in incarceration, idiots.

Thank the FSM, there is intelligence in our midst! One of those idiots ironically runs the "Weekly Stupid."

f*ck you, its a legitimate point that population growth is part of the reason why there are more blacks in prison now then there were black slaves 150 years ago.
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11/19/2012 2:59:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/19/2012 2:50:41 PM, badger wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:47:05 PM, Heineken wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:35:30 PM, badger wrote:
i do believe the statistic is to make reference to the inordinate percentage of black people in incarceration, idiots.

1.> This is Sparta. (Kicks Badger into a dark pit).
2.> On DDO, we debate....everything.
3.> He didn't list inordinate percentages and it's just barely a statistic.

1. please...
2. your point?
3. you're dumb for not realising that's what it referred to.

1.> Uhm...you're welcome.
2.> You're calling people idiots for not accepting his premise uncritically.
3.> You seriously think I didn't realize what he attempted to say? Ya know Badger, I've heard of shallow gene-pools, but I've never met anyone who got out of the pool and dried off. Bravo for surviving.
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11/19/2012 3:01:44 PM
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there's no constant of criminality either, leaving that statement double-dumb. population growth's effects are secondary.
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11/19/2012 3:01:51 PM
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At 11/19/2012 2:51:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:47:07 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Extremely minor compared to the fact that Obama is running a drug war which puts those people in court in the first place.

A minor? Cocaine incarcerations account for more of the prisoners from the drug war than marijuana prosecutions.

(1) Hasn't resulted in any tangible decrease in the Federal prison population. (2) At the most it's merely offsetting the disastrous results of Obama's own drug war.

See above. Furthermore you seem to have conceded that Obama has next to nothing to show for these supposedly important actions i.e., the prison population has increased, not decreased.

I did not concede that, if you paid attention to my post. Explain this: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov...

Your own source says that the decrease was caused by a drop in state prison population (which decreased by 10,881) while the Federal rate increased by "by 0.8 percent (1,653 prisoners)". Learn2 read your own source.
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11/19/2012 3:03:35 PM
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At 11/19/2012 2:59:42 PM, Heineken wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:50:41 PM, badger wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:47:05 PM, Heineken wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:35:30 PM, badger wrote:
i do believe the statistic is to make reference to the inordinate percentage of black people in incarceration, idiots.

1.> This is Sparta. (Kicks Badger into a dark pit).
2.> On DDO, we debate....everything.
3.> He didn't list inordinate percentages and it's just barely a statistic.

1. please...
2. your point?
3. you're dumb for not realising that's what it referred to.

1.> Uhm...you're welcome.
2.> You're calling people idiots for not accepting his premise uncritically.
3.> You seriously think I didn't realize what he attempted to say? Ya know Badger, I've heard of shallow gene-pools, but I've never met anyone who got out of the pool and dried off. Bravo for surviving.

okay dude... run along outside and play now.
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11/19/2012 3:11:17 PM
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At 11/19/2012 3:03:35 PM, badger wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:59:42 PM, Heineken wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:50:41 PM, badger wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:47:05 PM, Heineken wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:35:30 PM, badger wrote:
i do believe the statistic is to make reference to the inordinate percentage of black people in incarceration, idiots.

1.> This is Sparta. (Kicks Badger into a dark pit).
2.> On DDO, we debate....everything.
3.> He didn't list inordinate percentages and it's just barely a statistic.

1. please...
2. your point?
3. you're dumb for not realising that's what it referred to.

1.> Uhm...you're welcome.
2.> You're calling people idiots for not accepting his premise uncritically.
3.> You seriously think I didn't realize what he attempted to say? Ya know Badger, I've heard of shallow gene-pools, but I've never met anyone who got out of the pool and dried off. Bravo for surviving.

okay dude... run along outside and play now.

For sure. Thanks!
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11/19/2012 3:11:26 PM
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triple-dumb in how it equates the actual enslavement of black people with locking them up for committing crimes.
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11/19/2012 3:16:57 PM
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At 11/19/2012 3:11:26 PM, badger wrote:
triple-dumb in how it equates the actual enslavement of black people with locking them up for committing crimes.

eh, no... i'm reaching there. dumb regardless, though.
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11/19/2012 3:17:38 PM
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At 11/19/2012 3:11:26 PM, badger wrote:
triple-dumb in how it equates the actual enslavement of black people with locking them up for committing crimes.

I think you're overstepping your intellectual prowess. The premise had obvious philosophical overtones. As in...after all this time, they're still not truly free.
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11/19/2012 3:20:39 PM
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At 11/19/2012 2:12:25 PM, badger wrote:
At 11/19/2012 2:11:32 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
...as population increases, isn't this a given?

no...
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