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11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM
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It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?

Britain indeed abolished slavery before the US. Was the revolution worth keeping slavery longer?

Canada eventually gained independence without shedding a drop of blood. Was the revolution worth immediate independence?

Britain was more sympathetic to the Native Americans. Was the revolution worth expanded ethnic displacement and genocide?

I guess it's all worth getting cheaper tea. Tea is fucking great.
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11/20/2012 3:36:43 AM
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At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?

Britain indeed abolished slavery before the US. Was the revolution worth keeping slavery longer?

Canada eventually gained independence without shedding a drop of blood. Was the revolution worth immediate independence?

Britain was more sympathetic to the Native Americans. Was the revolution worth expanded ethnic displacement and genocide?

I guess it's all worth getting cheaper tea. Tea is fucking great.

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11/20/2012 5:43:43 AM
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At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?

Britain indeed abolished slavery before the US. Was the revolution worth keeping slavery longer?

Canada eventually gained independence without shedding a drop of blood. Was the revolution worth immediate independence?

Britain was more sympathetic to the Native Americans. Was the revolution worth expanded ethnic displacement and genocide?

I guess it's all worth getting cheaper tea. Tea is fucking great.

Actually, the Tea cost more. The whole point of the tea taxes was to help the company export tea to the colonies that was cheaper than the tea being smuggled from the Dutch. The whole basis of the BTP wass a sham. https://en.wikipedia.org...
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11/20/2012 5:44:31 AM
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Interestingly, the founders of the United States were not loathe to taxing tea. A tax bill was submitted in the 1st United States Congress even before the inauguration of George Washington. The bill was passed and signed into law by Washington on July 4, 1789, with a tax on tea from 6" to 20" per pound, and at double that rate if carried on a foreign-flagged vessel. Alexander Hamilton projected that revenues would be inadequate, leading to enactment of the Tariff of 1790 that imposed higher rates. The tea tax remained in effect until 1872, at which time it generated $10 million per year, or about 2% of all Federal revenue.[71]
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11/20/2012 6:28:50 AM
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At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?

Britain indeed abolished slavery before the US. Was the revolution worth keeping slavery longer?

Canada eventually gained independence without shedding a drop of blood. Was the revolution worth immediate independence?

Britain was more sympathetic to the Native Americans. Was the revolution worth expanded ethnic displacement and genocide?

I guess it's all worth getting cheaper tea. Tea is fucking great.

Oh pulease, the American Revolution was about a lot more than just cheaper tea....it was about Americans being who we are, it was about stopping England from world domination.

It's a scientific fact that the American brain cannot comprehend the rules of Cricket, there is a well documented American gag reflex to Bangers and Mash, Crumpets, and Black Pudding, Americans believe in the toothbrush and dental work, our women want to shave their legs and they want to be more feminine than men, American smokers would never agree to suck on fa gs, Americans wanted to be good at the sports they invent, it is a known fact that Liberace was not gay, he was just very very British, the American Revolution made the world safe for testosterone.

The Revolution should have happened sooner, not later.
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11/20/2012 7:31:28 AM
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At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?

Britain indeed abolished slavery before the US. Was the revolution worth keeping slavery longer?

Canada eventually gained independence without shedding a drop of blood. Was the revolution worth immediate independence?

Britain was more sympathetic to the Native Americans. Was the revolution worth expanded ethnic displacement and genocide?

I guess it's all worth getting cheaper tea. Tea is fucking great.

i think we'd all love it if taxes were as low as they were in the american revolution. But this would mean there wouldn't be a US and probably just a Canada.
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11/20/2012 8:17:09 AM
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11/20/2012 11:20:45 AM
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At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?

Freedo, you have turned into a Moderate extremist, a Moderate to the highest degree in every facet. I guess you wouldn't be Freedo if you weren't extreme.

Britain indeed abolished slavery before the US. Was the revolution worth keeping slavery longer?

British tyranny was slavery. Do we want independence, freedom, and emancipation of a new nation or simply set some people "free" while still ruling them with an iron fist.

If we were currently living under British law, we would have all 1st and 2nd Amendment rights stripped from us. Britain has no guns and they arrest people for saying "the government is corrupt" on Facebook.

Canada eventually gained independence without shedding a drop of blood. Was the revolution worth immediate independence?

Independence now or never.

Britain was more sympathetic to the Native Americans. Was the revolution worth expanded ethnic displacement and genocide?

That wasn't a necessary action for the American Revolution. The Native Americans could've been more integrated or co-habitable.

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11/20/2012 12:30:03 PM
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At 11/20/2012 6:28:50 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?

Britain indeed abolished slavery before the US. Was the revolution worth keeping slavery longer?

Canada eventually gained independence without shedding a drop of blood. Was the revolution worth immediate independence?

Britain was more sympathetic to the Native Americans. Was the revolution worth expanded ethnic displacement and genocide?

I guess it's all worth getting cheaper tea. Tea is fucking great.

Oh pulease, the American Revolution was about a lot more than just cheaper tea....it was about Americans being who we are, it was about stopping England from world domination.

It's a scientific fact that the American brain cannot comprehend the rules of Cricket, there is a well documented American gag reflex to Bangers and Mash, Crumpets, and Black Pudding, Americans believe in the toothbrush and dental work, our women want to shave their legs and they want to be more feminine than men, American smokers would never agree to suck on fa gs, Americans wanted to be good at the sports they invent, it is a known fact that Liberace was not gay, he was just very very British, the American Revolution made the world safe for testosterone.

The Revolution should have happened sooner, not later.

This post wins the thread, I need read no further.

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11/20/2012 12:58:11 PM
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At 11/20/2012 6:28:50 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
Oh pulease, the American Revolution was about a lot more than just cheaper tea....it was about Americans being who we are, it was about stopping England from world domination.

It's a scientific fact that the American brain cannot comprehend the rules of Cricket, there is a well documented American gag reflex to Bangers and Mash, Crumpets, and Black Pudding, Americans believe in the toothbrush and dental work, our women want to shave their legs and they want to be more feminine than men, American smokers would never agree to suck on fa gs, Americans wanted to be good at the sports they invent, it is a known fact that Liberace was not gay, he was just very very British, the American Revolution made the world safe for testosterone.

The Revolution should have happened sooner, not later.

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11/20/2012 1:17:36 PM
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At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?


Yes it was. The American revolution inspired the French revolution and gave rise to the spread of republicanism and democracy across Europe. The American revolution directly influenced the French revolution.

The original complaint was taxation without representation, but that was actually the last straw in a long line of abuses. Along without taxation without representation, the British were forcing their Tea down our throats, and placing the burden of the cost on US in order to reduce the costs in the British Isles. They also killed many local businesses through regulation of the Tea trade. They than closed Boston harbor, which was our largest port.
The first battle took place when they sent British troops to deprive the local militia of arms; hence the 2nd amendment.

It was absolute despotism. Modern historians sometimes make the claim that we overreacted, because they focus only on the taxation (which was not that much). In reality, taxation was the final straw in a long train of abuses. There were patriots pushing for independence before the taxes were imposed; the taxes just fueled the existing sentiments.

We continually tried petitioning the King, but he rejected all of our pleas for redress.

At the time of the revolution, the state did not serve the people, it served the State. Britainia at that time did not recognize the right of their subjects to renounce their citizenship either. Also at that time the King controlled Parliament, and appointed the Prime Minister. Charles Townshend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, was also appointed by the king.

Britain indeed abolished slavery before the US. Was the revolution worth keeping slavery longer?

Yes and no. On March 2, 1807 the US passed the "Act to Prohibit the Importation of Slaves", which abolished the international slave trade. Great Britain passed the "Slave Trade Act 1807" on March 25. The British act was effective immediately, whereas the American act went into effect on January 1, 1808.

America was the first to pass legislation abolishing the Slave Trade. Abolishing slavery was not a US power, but rather a State power. Great Britain was a unitary state, so they were able to completely abolish slavery in 1833.

America was originally a confederation. By the time the constitution was adopted 5 of the 13 states had abolished slavery. In 1821 half of the 24 states were slave states and the other half abolished slavery.

The 13th amendment abolished slavery in 1865. Slaves states helped ratified the amendment.

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That being said; I struggle to understand how slavery makes the revolution not worth it. Slaves are not citizens, and if they were slaves at the time of the revolution (or brought in afterwards), than they were not gaining independence because they were not British subjects. The freedom of British subjects in the American colonies were unaffected by slavery.

Canada eventually gained independence without shedding a drop of blood. Was the revolution worth immediate independence?


First off, the Queen is still Canada's reigning Monarch. They never gained independence, just more sovereignty.

The British North America Act of 1867 united the Canadas in a single confederation, creating Canada.

The Statute of Westminster (1931) granted the self-governing dominions within the British Empire, legislative equality.

The Canada Act of 1982 altered the Canadian constitution so that they don't need the British Parliament's approval in order to make amendments.

Britain was more sympathetic to the Native Americans. Was the revolution worth expanded ethnic displacement and genocide?


No they were not. The British had Native American allies, which they used to wage war against tribes allied with France and Spain. The US also had Native American allies.

During the French and Indian war the British were allied with the Iroquois Confederacy, the Catawba, and the Cherokee.
The French were allied with the Wabanaki Confederacy, the Algonquin, the Caughnawaga Mohegan, the Lenape, the Ojibwa, the Ottawa, the Shawnee, and the Wyandot.

During the revolution the US was allied with the Oneida, the Tuscarora, the Watauga Association, the Catawba, and the Lenape.
The British were allied with the Onondaga, the Mohegan, the Cayuga, the Seneca, and the Cherokee

when the American revolution started the British's allies, the Cherokee, waged war on the US, in what was known as the "Chickamauga Wars".

The Chickamauga Wars lasted from 1776 to 1794.

In the midst of the Chickamauga Wars, Little Turtle (chief of the miamis) waged war on the US, in what was known as Little Turtle's war.

Little Turtle's war lasted from 1785 to 1795.

After Little Turtle's War ended, Tecumseh formed a Indian Confederacy, and tried to unite the tribes in order to wage war against the US.

The British wanted to regain control over the North West territory, so they supplied arms to Tecumseh, and incited Natives in the North West territory to revolt.

Many Native chiefs, including the Shawnee chief (Tecumseh was a Shawnee), condemned Tecumseh's attempts to start a war.

Armed with British Weaponry Tecumseh's Confederacy began raiding US settlements. This was known as Tecumseh's war.

After the Battle of Tippecanoe, we discovered stores of British weapons and supplies in the hands of Tecumseh's Confederacy. The previous year Tecumseh also claimed o have British allies. With this evidence we waged war on the British leading to the War of 1812. The other cause of the War of 1812 was impressment of US citizens into the royal navy.

Tecumseh was eventually killed in the War of 1812, and the tribes who joined his confederacy broke their alliance with the British.

In the midst of the war of 1812, a remnant of the Tecumseh's confederacy, known as the "red sticks" started the Creek Civil War. The US sided with the Lower Creeks, the Cherokee, and the Choctaw.

The Creek Civil War lasted from 1813 to 1814. The war of 1812 ended shortly after in 1815.

The Creek Civil War spilled over into Florida resulting in the Seminole Wars, which lasted from 1814 to 1819. The Seminole attacks on US citizens led General Jackson to invade and annex Florida.

The US and Great Britain were very similar in how they saw and treated the Indians. If anything the US was more friendly with the Natives. A common mistake people make is that they view Native Americans and one people, rather than individual tribes. Native Americans often warred with each other. The reason the Wampanoag Confederacy helped the Pilgrims was because they sought a military alliance, due to the pre-existing hostility between the Mohegan and Wampanoag tribes.

The post-revolution Indian wars were fought for the same reason as the pre-revolution Indian wars. To protect US citizens from attacks by native American war parties.

I guess it's all worth getting cheaper tea. Tea is fucking great.

That was not the only issue.
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11/20/2012 3:48:01 PM
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At 11/20/2012 6:28:50 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
Oh pulease, the American Revolution was about a lot more than just cheaper tea....it was about Americans being who we are, it was about stopping England from world domination.

It's a scientific fact that the American brain cannot comprehend the rules of Cricket, there is a well documented American gag reflex to Bangers and Mash, Crumpets, and Black Pudding, Americans believe in the toothbrush and dental work, our women want to shave their legs and they want to be more feminine than men, American smokers would never agree to suck on fa gs, Americans wanted to be good at the sports they invent, it is a known fact that Liberace was not gay, he was just very very British, the American Revolution made the world safe for testosterone.

The Revolution should have happened sooner, not later.

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11/20/2012 3:55:59 PM
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At 11/20/2012 11:20:45 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?

Freedo, you have turned into a Moderate extremist, a Moderate to the highest degree in every facet. I guess you wouldn't be Freedo if you weren't extreme.

Moderate Extremist, lol. I honestly love the sound. But I don't think I am one. I'm just non-ideological.

Britain indeed abolished slavery before the US. Was the revolution worth keeping slavery longer?

British tyranny was slavery. Do we want independence, freedom, and emancipation of a new nation or simply set some people "free" while still ruling them with an iron fist.

True that abolishing slavery wasn't the end of that issue. But it was no small event.

If we were currently living under British law, we would have all 1st and 2nd Amendment rights stripped from us. Britain has no guns and

they arrest people for saying "the government is corrupt" on Facebook.

Citation needed.

Canada eventually gained independence without shedding a drop of blood. Was the revolution worth immediate independence?

Independence now or never.

War is a suspension of human rights, yes? It's a terrible thing. The Civil War was even worse. Both would have been avoided. Canadian life has never been too much worse than American. Better now, even.

Britain was more sympathetic to the Native Americans. Was the revolution worth expanded ethnic displacement and genocide?

That wasn't a necessary action for the American Revolution. The Native Americans could've been more integrated or co-habitable.


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Could have, sure. But they...you know...weren't. That could have been avoided. At least to a degree.
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11/20/2012 4:02:22 PM
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At 11/20/2012 5:43:43 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?

Britain indeed abolished slavery before the US. Was the revolution worth keeping slavery longer?

Canada eventually gained independence without shedding a drop of blood. Was the revolution worth immediate independence?

Britain was more sympathetic to the Native Americans. Was the revolution worth expanded ethnic displacement and genocide?

I guess it's all worth getting cheaper tea. Tea is fucking great.

Actually, the Tea cost more. The whole point of the tea taxes was to help the company export tea to the colonies that was cheaper than the tea being smuggled from the Dutch. The whole basis of the BTP wass a sham. https://en.wikipedia.org...

These high taxes, combined with the fact that tea imported into Holland was not taxed by the Dutch government, meant that Britons and British Americans could buy smuggled Dutch tea at much cheaper prices.
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11/20/2012 4:36:38 PM
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Considering that the taxes that Britain set on the colonies at the time were at an all time low, no, it was not worth it.

The taxes then were the lowest across the world, and much lower than now. The new government did little to improve over the old government. Much of our textbooks are biased.
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11/20/2012 4:39:28 PM
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The French revolution, was it a good thing? Look at the result of it, so many people dying, Napoleon taking over and causing wars and more tyranny than Louis the 16.
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11/20/2012 4:45:12 PM
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The French revolution, was it a good thing? Look at the result of it, so many people dying, Napoleon taking over and causing wars and more tyranny than Louis the 16.

Most of the Napoleonic Wars were Coalitions of European powers declaring war on him.
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11/20/2012 5:25:44 PM
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"Was The American Revolution Worth It?"

The answer to this question is all predicated on a litany of personal belifes including but not limited to: political ideology, moral value system, your interpretation of history, your ability to stomach the death of other people and the willingness to give your own life for what you believe is worth dieing for. My personal opinion is not an answer to the question but weather or not someone is willing to die for a cause they believe in. If you are not willing to die to defend your freedom and core belifes and kill another human being that would strip you of your freedom and core belifes then nothing is worth fighting for or going to war over.
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11/20/2012 7:23:13 PM
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At 11/20/2012 3:36:43 AM, imabench wrote:
At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?

Britain indeed abolished slavery before the US. Was the revolution worth keeping slavery longer?

Canada eventually gained independence without shedding a drop of blood. Was the revolution worth immediate independence?

Britain was more sympathetic to the Native Americans. Was the revolution worth expanded ethnic displacement and genocide?

I guess it's all worth getting cheaper tea. Tea is fucking great.

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11/20/2012 7:30:35 PM
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At 11/20/2012 4:36:38 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
Considering that the taxes that Britain set on the colonies at the time were at an all time low, no, it was not worth it.

The taxes then were the lowest across the world, and much lower than now. The new government did little to improve over the old government. Much of our textbooks are biased.

Not to mention that the French revolution ended up failing.
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11/20/2012 7:31:14 PM
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At 11/20/2012 5:25:44 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Was The American Revolution Worth It?"

The answer to this question is all predicated on a litany of personal belifes including but not limited to: political ideology, moral value system, your interpretation of history, your ability to stomach the death of other people and the willingness to give your own life for what you believe is worth dieing for. My personal opinion is not an answer to the question but weather or not someone is willing to die for a cause they believe in. If you are not willing to die to defend your freedom and core belifes and kill another human being that would strip you of your freedom and core belifes then nothing is worth fighting for or going to war over.

That's a good answer.
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11/20/2012 8:56:51 PM
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At 11/20/2012 4:36:38 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
Considering that the taxes that Britain set on the colonies at the time were at an all time low, no, it was not worth it.

The taxes then were the lowest across the world, and much lower than now. The new government did little to improve over the old government. Much of our textbooks are biased.

Again; not about the taxes. Only 9 states attended the Stamp Act Congress, which met to petition the king regarding the stamp act. Only 12 attended the first continental congress, which met in regards to the intolerable acts.

The Boston Caucus was established all the way back in 1719. Patriotism can be traced back even further than that.

During the English civil war Puritan colonies formed the New England Confederation. After the monarchy was restored, the King abolished the New England Confederation, because it was too independent. He replaced it with the dominion of New England, and appointed a Governor; the Anglican Governor than began to religiously oppress the Puritans. When New England heard about the glorious revolution, the militia immediately rebelled and imprisoned the Governor of New England, along with several members of the Church of England. Virginia is nicknamed "the Old Dominion" because they were faithful to the King during the English civil war; mostly because they were predominately Anglican.
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11/20/2012 9:03:30 PM
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At 11/20/2012 4:39:28 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
The French revolution, was it a good thing? Look at the result of it, so many people dying, Napoleon taking over and causing wars and more tyranny than Louis the 16.

The French Revolution is widely believed to be the "dawn of the modern era", and many consider it the most important human event in the early modern period. After they beheaded their king they tried to overthrow other European monarchs. This eventually lead to the fall of Monarchism in Europe.
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11/21/2012 8:41:27 AM
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At 11/20/2012 1:17:36 PM, DanT wrote:
At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?


...the British were forcing their Tea down our throats...

Really? A bit like the French force corn down the throats of geese to produce fois gras? This is shocking news to me and I now feel deeply ashamed of my ancestors.
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11/21/2012 1:11:50 PM
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At 11/20/2012 7:30:35 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/20/2012 4:36:38 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
Considering that the taxes that Britain set on the colonies at the time were at an all time low, no, it was not worth it.

The taxes then were the lowest across the world, and much lower than now. The new government did little to improve over the old government. Much of our textbooks are biased.

Not to mention that the French revolution ended up failing.

No it didn't. They overthrew the monarchy and beheaded both the king and queen. The French Republic failed, because it was a unitary state. The centralization of power lead to corruption. That resulted in Napoleon becoming the New French Monarch. Ultimately France became a Republic again.
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11/21/2012 1:34:39 PM
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At 11/21/2012 8:41:27 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 11/20/2012 1:17:36 PM, DanT wrote:
At 11/20/2012 2:49:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
It's typically just accepted as a given by Americans that the revolutionary war was a good thing. But was it really worth it?


...the British were forcing their Tea down our throats...

Really? A bit like the French force corn down the throats of geese to produce fois gras? This is shocking news to me and I now feel deeply ashamed of my ancestors.

The East India Trading Company paid the Crown a fee, in order to maintain a monopoly. The Crown than taxed the hell out of the Tea.
We were not allowed to purchase cheaper Tea from other countries or sources.
The Royal Navy impressed colonial merchants into the royal navy in order to attack colonial ships suspected of smuggling tea from the Dutch.

The King George appointed Charles Townshend as Chancellor, and who was responsible for the Townshend acts. The colonists to boycotted tea as a result of the Townshend acts.

The Regulating Act of 1773 put the east India trading company under the control o the crown. The King used the East India trading company's debts to the crown as an excuse to seize control of the company. The reason the King wanted to control the Company was so he could control the Land in India under Company rule.

The Tea Act was also passed in 1773. The Tea act not only killed the smuggling business, but also legitimate businesses, because it cut out the middle man between the East India trading company and the colonies. In addition to this, it shifted the economic burden from the British Isles to the colonies. As a result the colonies left the Tea on the docks to rot. Even though the colonies did not drink the tea, they still had to pay for it. So the British continued to ship tea to the colonies. This lead to the Boston Tea party; where members of the sons of liberty dressed up as Mohegans and dumped the tea into the harbor. As a result the king blockaded the Boston harbor.
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11/21/2012 8:59:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 6:28:50 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
Oh pulease, the American Revolution was about a lot more than just cheaper tea....it was about Americans being who we are, it was about stopping England from world domination.

It's a scientific fact that the American brain cannot comprehend the rules of Cricket, there is a well documented American gag reflex to Bangers and Mash, Crumpets, and Black Pudding, Americans believe in the toothbrush and dental work, our women want to shave their legs and they want to be more feminine than men, American smokers would never agree to suck on fa gs, Americans wanted to be good at the sports they invent, it is a known fact that Liberace was not gay, he was just very very British, the American Revolution made the world safe for testosterone.

The Revolution should have happened sooner, not later.

Crap, I was going to add this.