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Rand Paul Utterly Destroys NDAA!!

GeoLaureate8
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11/30/2012 12:37:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Rand Paul has taken the New World Order, crumpled it into a ball, threw it on the ground, and UTTERLY obliterated it.

http://paul.senate.gov...
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11/30/2012 12:39:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
*cringes*

Did you HAVE to comment?
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11/30/2012 12:46:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Nay:
Marco Rubio
Joe Lieberman

Yea:
John McCain
Harry Reid

Wow. Marco Rubio shot himself in the foot. Come debate time in 2015, Rand Paul can say "Rubio voted against the 6th Amendment of the Constitution. Even Harry Reid voted for the Constitutional amendment!"
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11/30/2012 4:16:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Oh, Geo's happy? Let's fix that!
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12/3/2012 10:01:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
When I actually saw this on the news on Friday, I was having a mostly crappy day until I saw this. The fact that Rand Paul actually got this thing eliminated, I was impressed.

I support him as a candidate in 2016, but there are many others who I like too, including Christie and Paul Ryan. But Rand Paul is certainly now a more appealing choice.
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12/3/2012 10:04:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Rand Paul? I find it pretty disrespectful to Senators Finestein and Lee for not even mentioning them in this, when they co-wrote the language added.

Obama is threatening to veto the NDAA because it still prevents closure of Guantanamo (http://www.whitehouse.gov...). Rand Paul, of course, opposes closing Guantanamo.
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12/3/2012 10:40:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 10:36:42 PM, DenyEverything wrote:
Argh... Rand Paul represents everything wrong with this country...

That would be the case if most people agreed with him on most issues, which they do not.
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12/3/2012 10:44:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 10:40:00 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 12/3/2012 10:36:42 PM, DenyEverything wrote:
Argh... Rand Paul represents everything wrong with this country...

That would be the case if most people agreed with him on most issues, which they do not.

Lol indeed. And thank goodness for that. By the way, if you're interested in Feinstein's amendment, I liked the ACLU's take: http://www.aclu.org...
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12/3/2012 10:55:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 10:44:51 PM, DenyEverything wrote:
At 12/3/2012 10:40:00 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 12/3/2012 10:36:42 PM, DenyEverything wrote:
Argh... Rand Paul represents everything wrong with this country...

That would be the case if most people agreed with him on most issues, which they do not.

Lol indeed. And thank goodness for that. By the way, if you're interested in Feinstein's amendment, I liked the ACLU's take: http://www.aclu.org...

The ACLU seems to be taking a principled stance against military detention of anyone, including non-citizens, in the United States. The key passage in their evaluation is this:

While military detention without charge or trial is illegal in the United States, some key senators urged that even American citizens and others picked up in the United States could be detained under NDAA.

They did not succeed. The NDAA that was signed into law on New Year's Eve last year was bad enough, but it did not authorize military detention within the United States. Some in Congress now want to have a second crack at it-some to make it better and some to make it worse.

I'm not a legal expert on the recent history of military detention (partially clarified by the Hamdi case in the SCOTUS and further clarified in the House version of the NDAA). However, I find this to be another good analysis of the issue at hand: http://www.lawfareblog.com...
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12/3/2012 11:05:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 10:55:31 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 12/3/2012 10:44:51 PM, DenyEverything wrote:
At 12/3/2012 10:40:00 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 12/3/2012 10:36:42 PM, DenyEverything wrote:
Argh... Rand Paul represents everything wrong with this country...

That would be the case if most people agreed with him on most issues, which they do not.

Lol indeed. And thank goodness for that. By the way, if you're interested in Feinstein's amendment, I liked the ACLU's take: http://www.aclu.org...

The ACLU seems to be taking a principled stance against military detention of anyone, including non-citizens, in the United States. The key passage in their evaluation is this:

While military detention without charge or trial is illegal in the United States, some key senators urged that even American citizens and others picked up in the United States could be detained under NDAA.

They did not succeed. The NDAA that was signed into law on New Year's Eve last year was bad enough, but it did not authorize military detention within the United States. Some in Congress now want to have a second crack at it-some to make it better and some to make it worse.

I'm not a legal expert on the recent history of military detention (partially clarified by the Hamdi case in the SCOTUS and further clarified in the House version of the NDAA). However, I find this to be another good analysis of the issue at hand: http://www.lawfareblog.com...

Thanks for sharing that with me. I've always found Lawfare to be a wonderful blog for laymen and a great source of understand current issues.
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12/4/2012 2:19:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 10:04:27 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
Rand Paul? I find it pretty disrespectful to Senators Finestein and Lee for not even mentioning them in this, when they co-wrote the language added.

Obama is threatening to veto the NDAA because it still prevents closure of Guantanamo (http://www.whitehouse.gov...). Rand Paul, of course, opposes closing Guantanamo.

Disrespectful? Its a forum post, not an academy award acceptance speech.
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12/4/2012 3:17:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Welp, I guess your hard work is finally done Geo.

Illuminati is crushed.

Time to load-up, go home and have a few beers.

Feels good restoring liberty to America.
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12/4/2012 10:01:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 10:04:27 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
Rand Paul? I find it pretty disrespectful to Senators Finestein and Lee for not even mentioning them in this, when they co-wrote the language added.

1. Rand Paul introduced the first draft of the amendment. Feinstein-Lee wrote the watered down sh!t that has a loophole in it still allowing possible infinite detention, it just requires more manipulation of the language or having the Congress make the decision to indefinitely detain.

2. Rand Paul did all the work, all the speeches, all the filibusters to make this possible. Rand Paul spearheaded the whole thing.

Obama is threatening to veto the NDAA because it still prevents closure of Guantanamo (http://www.whitehouse.gov...). Rand Paul, of course, opposes closing Guantanamo.

That'd be the day.
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12/4/2012 10:24:24 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/4/2012 10:01:27 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/3/2012 10:04:27 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
Rand Paul? I find it pretty disrespectful to Senators Finestein and Lee for not even mentioning them in this, when they co-wrote the language added.

1. Rand Paul introduced the first draft of the amendment. Feinstein-Lee wrote the watered down sh!t that has a loophole in it still allowing possible infinite detention, it just requires more manipulation of the language or having the Congress make the decision to indefinitely detain.

2. Rand Paul did all the work, all the speeches, all the filibusters to make this possible. Rand Paul spearheaded the whole thing.

That's simply not true: http://www.lawfareblog.com...

The amendment was introduced by Feinstein. The same amendment was introduced last year, and it failed in the Senate.