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12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!
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12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.
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12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.
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12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.
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Oryus
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12/3/2012 8:21:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"You can do as well working one week a month at minimum wage as you can working $60,000-a-year, full-time, high-stress job."

LOL This sentence is such bullsh!t. That is not even remotely true.
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12/3/2012 8:25:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 8:21:44 PM, Oryus wrote:
"You can do as well working one week a month at minimum wage as you can working $60,000-a-year, full-time, high-stress job."

LOL This sentence is such bullsh!t. That is not even remotely true.

Its one week if you consider it 24 hours each day. Its misguided sentence, but true nonetheless.
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12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM
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At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k
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12/3/2012 8:29:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 8:25:53 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:44 PM, Oryus wrote:
"You can do as well working one week a month at minimum wage as you can working $60,000-a-year, full-time, high-stress job."

LOL This sentence is such bullsh!t. That is not even remotely true.

Its one week if you consider it 24 hours each day. Its misguided sentence, but true nonetheless.

and one week per month on a 40 hour week schedule is only slightly less then someone working a $60,000 job.
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12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.
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Oryus
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12/3/2012 8:40:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.

lolwut

Anyway, yeah, I make less than $14000 a year and my mom makes more than $60,000 a year and I can tell you right now that there is no way in hell I can ever match her standard of living. That is just mathematically impossible. There is a difference between having an available "economic benefit" in the form of tax breaks, medical vouchers, food vouchers, etc. and having a "disposable income." While I have some "economic benefits" I might be able to take advantage of as a student in poverty, I have no "disposable income" whatsoever. This article is really deceptive.
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12/3/2012 8:55:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 8:40:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.

lolwut

Anyway, yeah, I make less than $14000 a year and my mom makes more than $60,000 a year and I can tell you right now that there is no way in hell I can ever match her standard of living. That is just mathematically impossible. There is a difference between having an available "economic benefit" in the form of tax breaks, medical vouchers, food vouchers, etc. and having a "disposable income." While I have some "economic benefits" I might be able to take advantage of as a student in poverty, I have no "disposable income" whatsoever. This article is really deceptive.

This assumes a poor person takes advantage of every loophole as well.
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12/3/2012 9:00:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 8:55:30 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:40:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.

lolwut

Anyway, yeah, I make less than $14000 a year and my mom makes more than $60,000 a year and I can tell you right now that there is no way in hell I can ever match her standard of living. That is just mathematically impossible. There is a difference between having an available "economic benefit" in the form of tax breaks, medical vouchers, food vouchers, etc. and having a "disposable income." While I have some "economic benefits" I might be able to take advantage of as a student in poverty, I have no "disposable income" whatsoever. This article is really deceptive.

This assumes a poor person takes advantage of every loophole as well.

Exactly- and to the maximum level that they possibly could.
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: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
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: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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12/3/2012 9:14:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 9:00:50 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:55:30 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:40:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.

lolwut

Anyway, yeah, I make less than $14000 a year and my mom makes more than $60,000 a year and I can tell you right now that there is no way in hell I can ever match her standard of living. That is just mathematically impossible. There is a difference between having an available "economic benefit" in the form of tax breaks, medical vouchers, food vouchers, etc. and having a "disposable income." While I have some "economic benefits" I might be able to take advantage of as a student in poverty, I have no "disposable income" whatsoever. This article is really deceptive.

This assumes a poor person takes advantage of every loophole as well.

Exactly- and to the maximum level that they possibly could.

again this is based on a three child household.
Since you don't have the national school lunch program, and CHIP. I'm also assuming that the stamp act would be different for people for people who have a family and those that don't.

Although i'd be curious to know what the difference would be between the two. How much do you get for food stamps per year?
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12/3/2012 9:19:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 9:14:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:00:50 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:55:30 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:40:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.

lolwut

Anyway, yeah, I make less than $14000 a year and my mom makes more than $60,000 a year and I can tell you right now that there is no way in hell I can ever match her standard of living. That is just mathematically impossible. There is a difference between having an available "economic benefit" in the form of tax breaks, medical vouchers, food vouchers, etc. and having a "disposable income." While I have some "economic benefits" I might be able to take advantage of as a student in poverty, I have no "disposable income" whatsoever. This article is really deceptive.

This assumes a poor person takes advantage of every loophole as well.

Exactly- and to the maximum level that they possibly could.

again this is based on a three child household.
Since you don't have the national school lunch program, and CHIP. I'm also assuming that the stamp act would be different for people for people who have a family and those that don't.

Although i'd be curious to know what the difference would be between the two. How much do you get for food stamps per year?

I get none. But if I applied, I would be allowed to have $200 a month.
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12/3/2012 9:20:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 9:19:46 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:14:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:00:50 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:55:30 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:40:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.

lolwut

Anyway, yeah, I make less than $14000 a year and my mom makes more than $60,000 a year and I can tell you right now that there is no way in hell I can ever match her standard of living. That is just mathematically impossible. There is a difference between having an available "economic benefit" in the form of tax breaks, medical vouchers, food vouchers, etc. and having a "disposable income." While I have some "economic benefits" I might be able to take advantage of as a student in poverty, I have no "disposable income" whatsoever. This article is really deceptive.

This assumes a poor person takes advantage of every loophole as well.

Exactly- and to the maximum level that they possibly could.

again this is based on a three child household.
Since you don't have the national school lunch program, and CHIP. I'm also assuming that the stamp act would be different for people for people who have a family and those that don't.

Although i'd be curious to know what the difference would be between the two. How much do you get for food stamps per year?

I get none. But if I applied, I would be allowed to have $200 a month.

But that's state-by-state so it could be different in different places. I also have to work 20 hours a week to qualify because I'm a student.
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: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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12/3/2012 9:30:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 9:20:32 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:19:46 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:14:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:00:50 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:55:30 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:40:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.

lolwut

Anyway, yeah, I make less than $14000 a year and my mom makes more than $60,000 a year and I can tell you right now that there is no way in hell I can ever match her standard of living. That is just mathematically impossible. There is a difference between having an available "economic benefit" in the form of tax breaks, medical vouchers, food vouchers, etc. and having a "disposable income." While I have some "economic benefits" I might be able to take advantage of as a student in poverty, I have no "disposable income" whatsoever. This article is really deceptive.

This assumes a poor person takes advantage of every loophole as well.

Exactly- and to the maximum level that they possibly could.

again this is based on a three child household.
Since you don't have the national school lunch program, and CHIP. I'm also assuming that the stamp act would be different for people for people who have a family and those that don't.

Although i'd be curious to know what the difference would be between the two. How much do you get for food stamps per year?

I get none. But if I applied, I would be allowed to have $200 a month.

But that's state-by-state so it could be different in different places. I also have to work 20 hours a week to qualify because I'm a student.

The eligibility requirements are listed on the US website. Why would it be state to state then?:

http://www.fns.usda.gov...
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12/3/2012 9:32:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Also, Oryus I assume if you come from a poor background, you can get a lot in financial aid.

Of course, if your parents are wealthy and don't plan on helping you out, the system screws you over.
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12/3/2012 9:35:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 9:30:11 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:20:32 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:19:46 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:14:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:00:50 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:55:30 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:40:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.

lolwut

Anyway, yeah, I make less than $14000 a year and my mom makes more than $60,000 a year and I can tell you right now that there is no way in hell I can ever match her standard of living. That is just mathematically impossible. There is a difference between having an available "economic benefit" in the form of tax breaks, medical vouchers, food vouchers, etc. and having a "disposable income." While I have some "economic benefits" I might be able to take advantage of as a student in poverty, I have no "disposable income" whatsoever. This article is really deceptive.

This assumes a poor person takes advantage of every loophole as well.

Exactly- and to the maximum level that they possibly could.

again this is based on a three child household.
Since you don't have the national school lunch program, and CHIP. I'm also assuming that the stamp act would be different for people for people who have a family and those that don't.

Although i'd be curious to know what the difference would be between the two. How much do you get for food stamps per year?

I get none. But if I applied, I would be allowed to have $200 a month.

But that's state-by-state so it could be different in different places. I also have to work 20 hours a week to qualify because I'm a student.

The eligibility requirements are listed on the US website. Why would it be state to state then?:

http://www.fns.usda.gov...

I think with regard to how they dole out food assistance to students- that is state-by-state.
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12/3/2012 9:37:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 9:35:17 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:30:11 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:20:32 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:19:46 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:14:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:00:50 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:55:30 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:40:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.

lolwut

Anyway, yeah, I make less than $14000 a year and my mom makes more than $60,000 a year and I can tell you right now that there is no way in hell I can ever match her standard of living. That is just mathematically impossible. There is a difference between having an available "economic benefit" in the form of tax breaks, medical vouchers, food vouchers, etc. and having a "disposable income." While I have some "economic benefits" I might be able to take advantage of as a student in poverty, I have no "disposable income" whatsoever. This article is really deceptive.

This assumes a poor person takes advantage of every loophole as well.

Exactly- and to the maximum level that they possibly could.

again this is based on a three child household.
Since you don't have the national school lunch program, and CHIP. I'm also assuming that the stamp act would be different for people for people who have a family and those that don't.

Although i'd be curious to know what the difference would be between the two. How much do you get for food stamps per year?

I get none. But if I applied, I would be allowed to have $200 a month.

But that's state-by-state so it could be different in different places. I also have to work 20 hours a week to qualify because I'm a student.

The eligibility requirements are listed on the US website. Why would it be state to state then?:

http://www.fns.usda.gov...

I think with regard to how they dole out food assistance to students- that is state-by-state.

think its the same whether your a student or not.

I looked at the part on state programs. It says that they have programs for legal immigrants, but that's it:

http://www.fns.usda.gov...
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12/3/2012 9:38:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 9:32:37 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Also, Oryus I assume if you come from a poor background, you can get a lot in financial aid.

Of course, if your parents are wealthy and don't plan on helping you out, the system screws you over.

Indeed. Rich folks with stingy parents get screwed. But the people with stingy parents who really get screwed are the ones whose parents teeter on the 49,000/50,000 mark. I didn't get any significant amount of help until I was deemed "an independent" by Dept of Education... funny enough, I've been "independent" since I was 18 according the IRS but whatever........
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12/3/2012 9:40:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 9:37:53 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:35:17 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:30:11 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:20:32 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:19:46 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:14:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:00:50 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:55:30 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:40:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.

lolwut

Anyway, yeah, I make less than $14000 a year and my mom makes more than $60,000 a year and I can tell you right now that there is no way in hell I can ever match her standard of living. That is just mathematically impossible. There is a difference between having an available "economic benefit" in the form of tax breaks, medical vouchers, food vouchers, etc. and having a "disposable income." While I have some "economic benefits" I might be able to take advantage of as a student in poverty, I have no "disposable income" whatsoever. This article is really deceptive.

This assumes a poor person takes advantage of every loophole as well.

Exactly- and to the maximum level that they possibly could.

again this is based on a three child household.
Since you don't have the national school lunch program, and CHIP. I'm also assuming that the stamp act would be different for people for people who have a family and those that don't.

Although i'd be curious to know what the difference would be between the two. How much do you get for food stamps per year?

I get none. But if I applied, I would be allowed to have $200 a month.

But that's state-by-state so it could be different in different places. I also have to work 20 hours a week to qualify because I'm a student.

The eligibility requirements are listed on the US website. Why would it be state to state then?:

http://www.fns.usda.gov...

I think with regard to how they dole out food assistance to students- that is state-by-state.

think its the same whether your a student or not.

I looked at the part on state programs. It says that they have programs for legal immigrants, but that's it:

http://www.fns.usda.gov...

You would probably have to look at the state sites. If there were no state requirement for a 20 hour work-week for students, I would have food stamps right now. But then if I weren't a student and I were unemployed, I could get $200 a month no problem.
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12/3/2012 9:40:29 PM
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you know, i was thinking about the show "30 days", in which the guy from "Super-size me" tries to live on minimum wage. The thing is, the couple doesn't take advantage of any government programs.
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12/3/2012 9:43:43 PM
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At 12/3/2012 8:17:34 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I just gave a graph, here's the full article:
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12/3/2012 9:44:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 9:40:26 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:37:53 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:35:17 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:30:11 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:20:32 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:19:46 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:14:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 9:00:50 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:55:30 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:40:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:31:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:26:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:21:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:18:41 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:16:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/3/2012 8:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Derp. I mean, if the richer/smarter/successful received more entitlements, their would be incentive like the poor to vote Dem!

Did you look at the chart. I misspoke. I mean a family making $60,000 has less purchasing power then a family who makes $14,500 after taxes and entitlements.

It still looks like he has more purchasing power to me.

The one with 60,000 still has more money at the end of the day, unless I am misreading this chart.

Just look at economic benefit at the end and it gives you the numbers summarized. you look at the bigger number.

Ok I see it. I was looking at the $3,625 option.
Anyway, this seems pointless. I know someone who makes about $60,000 and they are sure living better than most people who make 14k

a) anecdotal
b) does the person have children or not. These calculations are based on a family of three.
c) I think poorer people are more likely to spend their money on stupid things like gambling.

lolwut

Anyway, yeah, I make less than $14000 a year and my mom makes more than $60,000 a year and I can tell you right now that there is no way in hell I can ever match her standard of living. That is just mathematically impossible. There is a difference between having an available "economic benefit" in the form of tax breaks, medical vouchers, food vouchers, etc. and having a "disposable income." While I have some "economic benefits" I might be able to take advantage of as a student in poverty, I have no "disposable income" whatsoever. This article is really deceptive.

This assumes a poor person takes advantage of every loophole as well.

Exactly- and to the maximum level that they possibly could.

again this is based on a three child household.
Since you don't have the national school lunch program, and CHIP. I'm also assuming that the stamp act would be different for people for people who have a family and those that don't.

Although i'd be curious to know what the difference would be between the two. How much do you get for food stamps per year?

I get none. But if I applied, I would be allowed to have $200 a month.

But that's state-by-state so it could be different in different places. I also have to work 20 hours a week to qualify because I'm a student.

The eligibility requirements are listed on the US website. Why would it be state to state then?:

http://www.fns.usda.gov...

I think with regard to how they dole out food assistance to students- that is state-by-state.

think its the same whether your a student or not.

I looked at the part on state programs. It says that they have programs for legal immigrants, but that's it:

http://www.fns.usda.gov...

You would probably have to look at the state sites. If there were no state requirement for a 20 hour work-week for students, I would have food stamps right now. But then if I weren't a student and I were unemployed, I could get $200 a month no problem.

maybe its how you define employment. I checked their website for pre-screen eligibility, and you do have to select your state first, so I guess it does matter.
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12/3/2012 9:44:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
1) This assumes that the poor person is taking advantage of all of these programs, which is highly, highly unlikely.

2) It assumes they are maximizing their tax credits and deductions, paying as few taxes as legally possible.

TANF pays out about $300 a month, and I bet some poor people also take advantage of things like food stamps, maybe Medicaid (crappy program). Maybe school lunches, but most poor people do not take advantage of things like the low income energy assistance program, most wouldn't know what this is.
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12/3/2012 9:48:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 9:40:29 PM, darkkermit wrote:
you know, i was thinking about the show "30 days", in which the guy from "Super-size me" tries to live on minimum wage. The thing is, the couple doesn't take advantage of any government programs.

What government programs could they have even taken advantage of anyway? Food stamps are probably it. They don't have kids or disabilities or kids with disabilities.

Mayyybe they could have taken advantage of government housing, but I mean really- have you seen government housing? aka "the projects"? Have you gone to those places? I've lived in them twice in my life and it's no fvcking cake walk. What it lacks in high prices, it more than makes up for with crime and absurdly sh!tty living conditions. I'd rather go hungry in a decent neighborhood than save money living in the projects ever again.
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