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GeoLaureate8
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12/5/2012 9:45:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
From a non-conspiratorial point of view, what is your opinion about:

- The Presidential kill list
- The TSA molestation, naked-body scanners, and x-ray radiation boxes
- Army re-education camps
- The DIA spy grid
- The indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without trial (now only possible through Congressional approval)
- TSA highway checkpoints
- NDAA 2013 language that says the U.S. is now a battlefield
- FAA bill allowing 30,000 domestic spy drones
- QE3 Unlimited
- The United Nations trying to dictate our policy
- U.N. Agenda 21

According to you this is all good and done with good intentions?
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12/5/2012 10:58:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/5/2012 9:45:18 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
From a non-conspiratorial point of view, what is your opinion about:

- The Presidential kill list

A step in the right direction.

- The TSA molestation, naked-body scanners, and x-ray radiation boxes

An incentive to become a TSA agent.

- Army re-education camps

Means of ensuring societal stability.

- The DIA spy grid

Something which could be the interesting start to a novel.

- The indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without trial (now only possible through Congressional approval)

Necessary.

- TSA highway checkpoints

Meh.

- NDAA 2013 language that says the U.S. is now a battlefield

It wasn't before? This is news to me.

- FAA bill allowing 30,000 domestic spy drones

I'm surprised it took them this long to pass it.

- QE3 Unlimited

Unabashed stupidity.

- The United Nations trying to dictate our policy

Who gives a fvck about the UN?

- U.N. Agenda 21

Not familiar with this.

According to you this is all good and done with good intentions?

Good is subjective. It's certainly done with intentions -but as to wether or not they are good... difficult to determine.
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Kinesis
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12/5/2012 11:00:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/5/2012 9:45:18 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
From a non-conspiratorial point of view, what is your opinion about:

- The Presidential kill list

Should be far more heavily restricted. How many terrorists does the US create by killing innocent civilians with drones? I suspect many more than are assassinated.

- The TSA molestation, naked-body scanners, and x-ray radiation boxes

The purpose of the TSA is like guard dogs who scare away attackers - but it remains the case that they have never caught a terrorist. A product of fear, they won't go away until people no longer fear terrorism. Hardly the worst evil America commits though - just disturbing and invasive.

- Army re-education camps

Dunno what this is.

- The DIA spy grid

Spies in and of themselves aren't bad I guess. If they're used for assassinations and so on, could be disturbing.

- The indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without trial (now only possible through Congressional approval)

It's a complicated issue. Obviously the US can't put all of its enemies on trail before it takes action against them - otherwise you'd have to bring a judge and jury along to every battlefield and individually try every enemy before shooting them. This obviously has the potential to be used to exert dictatorial control over the American people - but then Hitler didn't take advantage of previous laws when he started abducting German citizens, he just invented new laws. It's a dangerous precedent, yeah, though.

- TSA highway checkpoints

Dunno about this.

- NDAA 2013 language that says the U.S. is now a battlefield

Could you point to the particular quote? Not sure about the implications of this.

- FAA bill allowing 30,000 domestic spy drones

Disturbing big brother survailance. Yup.

- QE3 Unlimited

I don't know. The economic implications are complicated and I don't feel qualified to predict the consequences of QE yet.

- The United Nations trying to dictate our policy

Don't care where US policy comes from as long as it's good policy. International organisations can solve problems that individual states can't - in the same way that governments can solve problems that individual people can't - public goods problems. The UN is pretty ineffectual anyway though.

- U.N. Agenda 21

I didn't know about this before, and for some reason the UN site won't let me look at it. The only other sources are conspiracy sites and an undetailed wiki page. No opinion I guess.

According to you this is all good and done with good intentions?

What's good? I dunno, it's complicated.
Mr_Anon
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12/5/2012 12:51:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hard to answer these questions when they are clearly loaded. Still, I'll do my best.

At 12/5/2012 9:45:18 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
From a non-conspiratorial point of view, what is your opinion about:

- The Presidential kill list

Nothing wrong with this, provided limits.

- The TSA molestation, naked-body scanners, and x-ray radiation boxes
Definitely something that needs to be addressed in the future, with new whistleblower protection laws in the area though I think there will be more transparency and accountability in the agency.

- Army re-education camps
There's been scare-stories about these for years, have never come true.

- The DIA spy grid
Elaborate? A quick search yielded nothing.

- The indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without trial (now only possible through Congressional approval)

Ambiguous under current law, negated under recent bill passed by Congress.

- TSA highway checkpoints

So far only credible information I've seen of this is that it is a program implemented by individual states, with the TSA playing an assistance role.

- NDAA 2013 language that says the U.S. is now a battlefield

Source? And I want specific language. Posse comitatus remains law of the land unless specifically overridden.

- FAA bill allowing 30,000 domestic spy drones
Mainly being used by EPA and other agencies to protect federal lands. Still, there are legitimate concerns here that need to be addressed. I'd like a source on the 30,000 number though.

- QE3 Unlimited

Not going to have a monetary policy debate here, though QE3 will only last until unemployment reaches 7%. The answer to how likely that is will be different between everyone here.

- The United Nations trying to dictate our policy
Don't see a significant problem here, provided that Congress authorize specific treaties.

- U.N. Agenda 21

Source me the original UN resolution and I'll give you my thoughts.

According to you this is all good and done with good intentions?

A lot of these things are legitimate concerns, like the TSA and drone surveillance, but many of these are exaggerated/misleading, not to mention loaded.
Wnope
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12/5/2012 7:14:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I've always been curious.

What's the difference between a classified list of people killed by drones versus what we did before, a classified list of terrorists killed with special forces?
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12/5/2012 7:18:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:14:02 PM, Wnope wrote:
I've always been curious.

What's the difference between a classified list of people killed by drones versus what we did before, a classified list of terrorists killed with special forces?

Well, based on this sentence alone, the drones.
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12/5/2012 7:24:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/5/2012 9:45:18 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
From a non-conspiratorial point of view, what is your opinion about:

Sincerely, it's about time you asked this question.

- The Presidential kill list
- The TSA molestation, naked-body scanners, and x-ray radiation boxes

These do sound quite unsavory... I'm thoroughly against the whole TSA thing, myself... but, i can't say I've actually fallen victim to these things, so I don't really have any strong opinions about them.

- Army re-education camps
- The DIA spy grid

I didn't know what you're talking about, here...

- The indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without trial (now only possible through Congressional approval)

That is a curious one... is that part of some new legislation? If so, which?

- TSA highway checkpoints

Hmmm... never encountered this, either...

- NDAA 2013 language that says the U.S. is now a battlefield

Specifics? That's another one i find a little hard to believe.

- FAA bill allowing 30,000 domestic spy drones

That is questionable, but not to any serious degree... there are 400 million people here.

- QE3 Unlimited
- The United Nations trying to dictate our policy
- U.N. Agenda 21

What do you have against agenda 21?

According to you this is all good and done with good intentions?

I'm honestly not sure... why shouldn't I be?
GeoLaureate8
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12/5/2012 7:26:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:14:02 PM, Wnope wrote:
I've always been curious.

What's the difference between a classified list of people killed by drones versus what we did before, a classified list of terrorists killed with special forces?

"It"s like a videogame," one deskbound drone jockey told Dr. Singer (Brookings Institute). "It can get a little bloodthirsty. But it"s f****g cool."

Singer describes asking a drone pilot "what it was like to fight insurgents in Iraq while based in Nevada. He said, "You are going to war for 12 hours, shooting weapons at targets, directing kills on enemy combatants, and then you get in the car and you drive home. And within 20 minutes, you"re sitting at the dinner table talking to your kids about their homework." Meanwhile, somewhere in Iraq (or Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, or another country yet to be identified), other families are desperately looking through the rubble of their own homes in search of survivors."

-- http://www.infowars.com...

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12/5/2012 7:37:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
To be sure, the militarization of the United States public is a problem that is not the fault of any "Illuminatti". But as a World War II general once said, "War isn't about dying for your country, its about making the other side die for theirs." While drone strikes as a form of warfare might be unnerving to many, unmanned warfare has existed since at least the 1940s. Probably a clear example is Clinton's missile strikes against Al-Qaida.
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12/5/2012 7:43:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/5/2012 9:45:18 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
From a non-conspiratorial point of view, what is your opinion about:

- The Presidential kill list

As long as the list doesn't include American citizens, I'm fine.

- The TSA molestation, naked-body scanners, and x-ray radiation boxes

Needs to be scrapped and replaced with something else. TSA is one of the biggest embarrassments to this country.

- Army re-education camps

Not sure what that is.

- The DIA spy grid

Never heard about it.

- The indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without trial (now only possible through Congressional approval)

Un-Constitutional.

- TSA highway checkpoints

Unnecessary.

- NDAA 2013 language that says the U.S. is now a battlefield

I'd need to see the language that says that.

- FAA bill allowing 30,000 domestic spy drones

Meh.

- QE3 Unlimited

Bad move.

- The United Nations trying to dictate our policy

The UN is a laughing stock. They can try all they want.

- U.N. Agenda 21

I can never get a straight answer on what this is actually about. If what the conspiracy kooks say is true, then yeah, we have reason to fear, but the conspiracy kooks are rarely right and tend to exaggerate.

According to you this is all good and done with good intentions?

No, most of it is not done with "good intentions", but a lot of it is exaggeratedly bad. Anytime the government does anything, there's always conspiracy theorists who try and spin some kind of story around it. Rarely are they ever right. Of course I pay attention to what goes on, but it would be a stretch to expect any of these things to actually happen, Agenda 21, mass inprisonment of America, etc.
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12/5/2012 7:43:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
- The Presidential kill list
Presidents exist to tell people to kill other people under certain circumstances.

- The TSA molestation, naked-body scanners, and x-ray radiation boxes
Airlines should be permitted to opt out of being TSAirlines. Some sort of liability distinction is acceptable. As long as the airlines aren't complaining though...

- Army re-education camps
What? like boot camp?

- The DIA spy grid
wha?

- The indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without trial (now only possible through Congressional approval)
Obviously unconstitutional.

- TSA highway checkpoints
Stupid if true, but probably bullcrap.

- NDAA 2013 language that says the U.S. is now a battlefield
wha?

- FAA bill allowing 30,000 domestic spy drones
Meh. If it can be seen from the sky then it means they ain't trespassin.

- QE3 Unlimited
Opposed.

- The United Nations trying to dictate our policy
I am opposed to US membership in the United Nations.

- U.N. Agenda 21
Opposed.
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12/5/2012 8:44:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm not going to get into everything you referred to. All I can say is I love the way things are going atm. Dat revolution be a comin'.
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12/5/2012 9:42:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:26:46 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:14:02 PM, Wnope wrote:
I've always been curious.

What's the difference between a classified list of people killed by drones versus what we did before, a classified list of terrorists killed with special forces?

"It"s like a videogame," one deskbound drone jockey told Dr. Singer (Brookings Institute). "It can get a little bloodthirsty. But it"s f****g cool."

Singer describes asking a drone pilot "what it was like to fight insurgents in Iraq while based in Nevada. He said, "You are going to war for 12 hours, shooting weapons at targets, directing kills on enemy combatants, and then you get in the car and you drive home. And within 20 minutes, you"re sitting at the dinner table talking to your kids about their homework." Meanwhile, somewhere in Iraq (or Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, or another country yet to be identified), other families are desperately looking through the rubble of their own homes in search of survivors."

-- http://www.infowars.com...


So you don't care that's it is a secret list, only that the manner of killing is too impersonal?
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12/6/2012 4:33:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/5/2012 8:44:04 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I'm not going to get into everything you referred to. All I can say is I love the way things are going atm. Dat revolution be a comin'.

It really isn't. If people wanted to rebel against the government Gary Johnson wouldn't have gotten less than 1% of the national vote.
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12/6/2012 4:39:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 4:33:44 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 12/5/2012 8:44:04 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I'm not going to get into everything you referred to. All I can say is I love the way things are going atm. Dat revolution be a comin'.

It really isn't. If people wanted to rebel against the government Gary Johnson wouldn't have gotten less than 1% of the national vote.

Or to put it the other way, Obama and Romney collectively received around 98% of the vote on a 60% turnout. That's pretty decisive in favour of the status quo.
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12/6/2012 7:30:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
- The Presidential kill list
Lannan13 thinks it's donald Trump
- The TSA molestation, naked-body scanners, and x-ray radiation boxes
Lannan13 thinks that is nessisary for dectectin' terrorists.
- Army re-education camps
Lannan13 thinks this is nessisary.
- The DIA spy grid
?
- The indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without trial (now only possible through Congressional approval)
Lannan13 isn't okay with this it violates our basic rights.
- TSA highway checkpoints
?
- NDAA 2013 language that says the U.S. is now a battlefield
Wait what?!
- FAA bill allowing 30,000 domestic spy drones
Lannan13 is okay with this
- QE3 Unlimited
?
- The United Nations trying to dictate our policy
Lannan13 hates the UN
- U.N. Agenda 21
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