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Confucius Utterly Destroys Modern Liberalism

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12/5/2012 7:30:35 PM
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"In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of."
-- Confucius
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.
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12/5/2012 7:37:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

He's an idiot that has exhausted his conspiracy theories and now needs attention to feel relevant.

Maybe if we ignore him he'll go away.
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12/5/2012 7:41:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.

Ignore this one too. He's a hack that doesn't seem to understand how much of a hack he really is. All of his political posts are intellectually bankrupt, impulsive defenses of partisan and ideological dogma. And if you argue with him, a good 5 minutes in should make it abundantly clear that he isn't interested in finding anything true. He's interested in making the Republican party, or even the most dimwitted of conservative talking points, look good.....a goal that he more often than not, destroys for himself.
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12/5/2012 7:42:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.

The liberal counter would be that poverty comes from a lack of a social safety net or, as the quote would put it, bad governance.
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12/5/2012 7:44:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:41:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.

Cop out, cop out, fluff, ad hominems, ignore me cause I'm just a hack that fails to realize it. Example: I can't find one thing I dislike abut the Great Obama(peace be upon him).

I agreed.
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12/5/2012 7:45:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:41:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.

Ignore this one too. He's a hack that doesn't seem to understand how much of a hack he really is. All of his political posts are intellectually bankrupt, impulsive defenses of partisan and ideological dogma. And if you argue with him, a good 5 minutes in should make it abundantly clear that he isn't interested in finding anything true. He's interested in making the Republican party, or even the most dimwitted of conservative talking points, look good.....a goal that he more often than not, destroys for himself.

Meh, I made my reply before I saw your post here.
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12/5/2012 7:47:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:42:55 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.

The liberal counter would be that poverty comes from a lack of a social safety net or, as the quote would put it, bad governance.

Which is where the statistics debate comes in.
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12/5/2012 7:57:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:47:15 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:42:55 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.

The liberal counter would be that poverty comes from a lack of a social safety net or, as the quote would put it, bad governance.

Which is where the statistics debate comes in.

If it comes to that then the quote hardly "destroys modern liberalism", no? I'm not going to have an economics debate here, but the quote Geolaurite posted is hardly relevant to the issue at hand.
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12/5/2012 8:00:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:57:47 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:47:15 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:42:55 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.

The liberal counter would be that poverty comes from a lack of a social safety net or, as the quote would put it, bad governance.

Which is where the statistics debate comes in.

If it comes to that then the quote hardly "destroys modern liberalism", no? I'm not going to have an economics debate here, but the quote Geolaurite posted is hardly relevant to the issue at hand.

Oberherr doesn't care. This is how his brain works.

1) He sees thread that says something negative about liberalism
2) Therefore it doesn't really matter to him if the argument is valid
3) Therefore he will mindlessly defend it

If you still want to "reason" with him. Good luck
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12/5/2012 8:01:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/5/2012 7:30:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of."
-- Confucius

I oppose liberalism, but I don't see how this refutes liberalism.
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12/5/2012 8:05:04 PM
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Like, Confucius would not be advocating a free market. Confucius was a communitarian, and not a philosophical liberal. Both libertarianism and liberalism were anathema to his thinking.
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12/5/2012 8:07:26 PM
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At 12/5/2012 7:41:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.

Ignore this one too. He's a hack that doesn't seem to understand how much of a hack he really is. All of his political posts are intellectually bankrupt, impulsive defenses of partisan and ideological dogma. And if you argue with him, a good 5 minutes in should make it abundantly clear that he isn't interested in finding anything true. He's interested in making the Republican party, or even the most dimwitted of conservative talking points, look good.....a goal that he more often than not, destroys for himself.

Ignore this one too. He's a hack that doesn't seem to understand how much of a hack he really is. All of his political posts are intellectually bankrupt, impulsive defenses of partisan and unideological dogma. And if you argue with him, a good 5 minutes in should make it abundantly clear that he isn't interested in finding anything true. He's interested in making the Democratic party, or even the most dimwitted of liberal talking points, look good.....a goal that he more often than not, destroys for himself.
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12/5/2012 8:07:30 PM
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At 12/5/2012 8:01:26 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:30:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of."
-- Confucius

I oppose liberalism, but I don't see how this refutes liberalism.

Finally someone understands the point I was trying to make.
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12/5/2012 8:08:50 PM
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At 12/5/2012 8:05:04 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Like, Confucius would not be advocating a free market. Confucius was a communitarian, and not a philosophical liberal. Both libertarianism and liberalism were anathema to his thinking.

I must interject here and say Royal that Confucius believed that the "aura of the emperor", his values and behavior, would radiate to the people living around them. He thought this would happen naturally, he was not a totalitarian, much opposed to the Legalist doctrine. Confucius did support the nuclear family though, but that's not big government.

I've done some projects regarding this area.
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12/5/2012 8:10:59 PM
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At 12/5/2012 8:07:30 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 12/5/2012 8:01:26 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:30:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of."
-- Confucius

I oppose liberalism, but I don't see how this refutes liberalism.

Finally someone understands the point I was trying to make.

Don't listen to me, I'm a hack like Ober.
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12/5/2012 8:11:39 PM
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At 12/5/2012 8:00:13 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:57:47 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:47:15 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:42:55 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.

The liberal counter would be that poverty comes from a lack of a social safety net or, as the quote would put it, bad governance.

Which is where the statistics debate comes in.

If it comes to that then the quote hardly "destroys modern liberalism", no? I'm not going to have an economics debate here, but the quote Geolaurite posted is hardly relevant to the issue at hand.

Oberherr doesn't care. This is how his brain works.

1) He sees thread that says something negative about liberalism
2) Therefore it doesn't really matter to him if the argument is valid
3) Therefore he will mindlessly defend it

If you still want to "reason" with him. Good luck

Well, imo it does. :)
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12/5/2012 8:15:55 PM
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At 12/5/2012 8:08:50 PM, Contra wrote:
At 12/5/2012 8:05:04 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Like, Confucius would not be advocating a free market. Confucius was a communitarian, and not a philosophical liberal. Both libertarianism and liberalism were anathema to his thinking.

I must interject here and say Royal that Confucius believed that the "aura of the emperor", his values and behavior, would radiate to the people living around them. He thought this would happen naturally, he was not a totalitarian, much opposed to the Legalist doctrine. Confucius did support the nuclear family though, but that's not big government.

I've done some projects regarding this area.

Confucius believed that people have roles to fulfill in society and that it is their duty to fulfill them regardless of their beliefs. He claims that people have duties to do things simply by virtue of being members of society. That is communitarianism. The totalitarianism in Confucian doctrine centers around forcing people into having these "moral" duties for no reason.
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12/5/2012 8:21:25 PM
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At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

+1
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12/5/2012 8:24:13 PM
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Maybe not destroy, but I see it as a good example for why I think its fail.
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12/5/2012 8:33:10 PM
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At 12/5/2012 7:41:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.

Ignore this one too. He's a hack that doesn't seem to understand how much of a hack he really is. All of his political posts are intellectually bankrupt, impulsive defenses of partisan and ideological dogma. And if you argue with him, a good 5 minutes in should make it abundantly clear that he isn't interested in finding anything true. He's interested in making the Republican party, or even the most dimwitted of conservative talking points, look good.....a goal that he more often than not, destroys for himself.

Ignore this one too. He's a hack that doesn't seem to understand how much of a hack he really is. All of his political posts are intellectually bankrupt, impulsive defenses of partisan and ideological dogma. And if you argue with him, a good 5 minutes in should make it abundantly clear that he isn't interested in finding anything true. He's interested in making the Democratic party, or even the most dimwitted of liberal talking points, look good.....a goal that he more often than not, destroys for himself.
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12/5/2012 8:34:02 PM
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Ragnar you're a dlck.
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12/5/2012 8:35:52 PM
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At 12/5/2012 8:34:02 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Ragnar you're a dlck.

ignore this dude, he's an idiot. ragnar you're awesome.
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12/5/2012 8:42:47 PM
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At 12/5/2012 7:42:55 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
The liberal counter would be that poverty comes from a lack of a social safety net or, as the quote would put it, bad governance.

Welfare =/= safety net

Safety nets are good because if you fall from an unexpected event youre supposed to land on and bounce right back on to your feet. Welfare you stick to the net and get dependent on it.
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12/5/2012 9:06:27 PM
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At 12/5/2012 8:33:10 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:41:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:36:44 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:34:24 PM, Mr_Anon wrote:
How the hell does this "destroy modern liberalism"?

Why should wealth, prosperity, and being smart/successful be something to be ashamed of?

Plus, US is capitalist last I checked.

Ignore this one too. He's a hack that doesn't seem to understand how much of a hack he really is. All of his political posts are intellectually bankrupt, impulsive defenses of partisan and ideological dogma. And if you argue with him, a good 5 minutes in should make it abundantly clear that he isn't interested in finding anything true. He's interested in making the Republican party, or even the most dimwitted of conservative talking points, look good.....a goal that he more often than not, destroys for himself.

Ignore this one too. He's a hack that doesn't seem to understand how much of a hack he really is. All of his political posts are intellectually bankrupt, impulsive defenses of partisan and ideological dogma. And if you argue with him, a good 5 minutes in should make it abundantly clear that he isn't interested in finding anything true. He's interested in making the Democratic party, or even the most dimwitted of liberal talking points, look good.....a goal that he more often than not, destroys for himself.

no. Fail.
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12/5/2012 9:09:46 PM
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At 12/5/2012 9:06:27 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/5/2012 8:33:10 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 12/5/2012 7:41:45 PM, 000ike wrote:

Ignore this one too. He's a hack that doesn't seem to understand how much of a hack he really is. All of his political posts are intellectually bankrupt, impulsive defenses of partisan and ideological dogma. And if you argue with him, a good 5 minutes in should make it abundantly clear that he isn't interested in finding anything true. He's interested in making the Republican party, or even the most dimwitted of conservative talking points, look good.....a goal that he more often than not, destroys for himself.

Ignore this one too. He's a hack that doesn't seem to understand how much of a hack he really is. All of his political posts are intellectually bankrupt, impulsive defenses of partisan and ideological dogma. And if you argue with him, a good 5 minutes in should make it abundantly clear that he isn't interested in finding anything true. He's interested in making the Democratic party, or even the most dimwitted of liberal talking points, look good.....a goal that he more often than not, destroys for himself.

no. Fail.

Is that an argument?
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: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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: : DDO should discredit support of sexual violence at any time and in every way.
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: I disagree.