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Nidhogg
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12/6/2012 3:07:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Is there anyone here who actually believes that America is the greatest nation in the world?
Here's some helpful links saying otherwise:

http://www.heritage.org...

America is 10th and falling

http://en.rsf.org...

America ranks at 47th

http://www.thedailybeast.com...

11th place

So, still care to defend your viewpoint?
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12/6/2012 3:08:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Wait, we decide what nation is best based on their economic size and international ratings?
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12/6/2012 3:16:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Biggest economy, most powerful military. Literally the only things America has going for it. And the first one won't last long.
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12/6/2012 3:18:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 3:16:20 PM, Kinesis wrote:
Biggest economy, most powerful military. Literally the only things America has going for it. And the first one won't last long.

The first one is still true? I thought China was past America in money.
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12/6/2012 3:21:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 3:18:42 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 12/6/2012 3:16:20 PM, Kinesis wrote:
Biggest economy, most powerful military. Literally the only things America has going for it. And the first one won't last long.

The first one is still true? I thought China was past America in money.

Biggest economy =\= richest. We're by far the ingest consumers anyways.

And, honestly, greatest nation is just subjective.
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12/6/2012 3:25:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 3:18:42 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
The first one is still true? I thought China was past America in money.

By "money"?? America still has a higher GDP and GNP that China.
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12/6/2012 3:27:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 3:21:06 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/6/2012 3:18:42 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 12/6/2012 3:16:20 PM, Kinesis wrote:
Biggest economy, most powerful military. Literally the only things America has going for it. And the first one won't last long.

The first one is still true? I thought China was past America in money.

Biggest economy =\= richest. We're by far the biggest consumers anyways.

And, honestly, greatest nation is just subjective.

Fix'd.
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12/6/2012 3:27:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 3:21:06 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 12/6/2012 3:18:42 PM, Nidhogg wrote:
At 12/6/2012 3:16:20 PM, Kinesis wrote:
Biggest economy, most powerful military. Literally the only things America has going for it. And the first one won't last long.

The first one is still true? I thought China was past America in money.

Biggest economy =\= richest. We're by far the ingest consumers anyways.

And, honestly, greatest nation is just subjective.

Look at gdp per capita, and US ranks something like 12th in the world.

I suppose though that looking at gdp doesn't necessarily include just production, since there's also government expenditures, investments, and foreign debt. However, I dont know where to find stats on that.
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12/6/2012 3:29:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Despite us being the most spied on populace in the world history under this current surveillance state, yes, this is the best country to live in.

I bought the book Strategic Relocation by expert Joel Skousen who has lived everywhere in the world for 30 years concluded that it is best to live in the United States because we have the most free economy in comparison to other nations, the best gun laws, the best national security (TSA is NOT it), and still quite a lot of civil liberties left.
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12/6/2012 3:55:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 3:29:30 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
we have the most free economy in comparison to other nations,

Nay. There have been hundreds of measurements of economic freedom by country, and I have never seen the US topping the list - usually Hong Kong does, counting it as a country. The US usually lags in the 10th-20th range.
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12/6/2012 4:12:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
America is no longer great because 'progressives' have to keep changing things. Even if it's not broke... go and fix it.

Civil liberties are gone. FEMA is coming to a rec center near you. Debt is out of control. It's over.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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12/6/2012 4:15:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 3:55:13 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 12/6/2012 3:29:30 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
we have the most free economy in comparison to other nations,

Nay. There have been hundreds of measurements of economic freedom by country, and I have never seen the US topping the list - usually Hong Kong does, counting it as a country. The US usually lags in the 10th-20th range.

Yeah, but Strategic Relocation doesn't recommend Hong Kong because it's surrounded by China. But yes, Hong Kong is the most Libertarian state in the world or at least top 3.
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12/6/2012 4:15:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 4:12:39 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
America is no longer great because 'progressives' have to keep changing things. Even if it's not broke... go and fix it.

Civil liberties are gone. FEMA is coming to a rec center near you. Debt is out of control. It's over.

hey royal
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12/6/2012 4:16:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 4:15:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:12:39 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
America is no longer great because 'progressives' have to keep changing things. Even if it's not broke... go and fix it.

Civil liberties are gone. FEMA is coming to a rec center near you. Debt is out of control. It's over.

hey royal

How dare you? I will not be compared to that... that... <pre-edited for civility>
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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12/6/2012 4:18:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 4:16:17 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:15:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:12:39 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
America is no longer great because 'progressives' have to keep changing things. Even if it's not broke... go and fix it.

Civil liberties are gone. FEMA is coming to a rec center near you. Debt is out of control. It's over.

hey royal

How dare you? I will not be compared to that... that... <pre-edited for civility>

can't go on to call yourself a loser who goes on debate.org to troll because she has nothing better to do with her life and craves attention.
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12/6/2012 4:19:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 4:18:33 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:16:17 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:15:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:12:39 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
America is no longer great because 'progressives' have to keep changing things. Even if it's not broke... go and fix it.

Civil liberties are gone. FEMA is coming to a rec center near you. Debt is out of control. It's over.

hey royal

How dare you? I will not be compared to that... that... <pre-edited for civility>

can't go on to call yourself a loser who goes on debate.org to troll because she has nothing better to do with her life and craves attention.

I'm not Royal, I'm JaxsonRaine. I despise Royal as an intellectual coward.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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12/6/2012 4:21:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Your dialect is transparent. Youre royal, not JaxxonRaine, he never talked like that.
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12/6/2012 4:22:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 4:19:20 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:18:33 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:16:17 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:15:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:12:39 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
America is no longer great because 'progressives' have to keep changing things. Even if it's not broke... go and fix it.

Civil liberties are gone. FEMA is coming to a rec center near you. Debt is out of control. It's over.

hey royal

How dare you? I will not be compared to that... that... <pre-edited for civility>

can't go on to call yourself a loser who goes on debate.org to troll because she has nothing better to do with her life and craves attention.

I'm not Royal, I'm JaxsonRaine. I despise Royal as an intellectual coward.

Why put the effort into creating a whole new account that has the exact same name as jaxsonraine when the real jaxsonraine couldd've just reactived his account. Your obviously not JaxsonRaine.
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12/6/2012 4:22:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 4:21:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Your dialect is transparent. Youre royal, not JaxxonRaine, he never talked like that.

You're an alien...
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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12/6/2012 4:23:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 4:22:02 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:19:20 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:18:33 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:16:17 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:15:35 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:12:39 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
America is no longer great because 'progressives' have to keep changing things. Even if it's not broke... go and fix it.

Civil liberties are gone. FEMA is coming to a rec center near you. Debt is out of control. It's over.

hey royal

How dare you? I will not be compared to that... that... <pre-edited for civility>

can't go on to call yourself a loser who goes on debate.org to troll because she has nothing better to do with her life and craves attention.

I'm not Royal, I'm JaxsonRaine. I despise Royal as an intellectual coward.

Why put the effort into creating a whole new account that has the exact same name as jaxsonraine when the real jaxsonraine couldd've just reactived his account. Your obviously not JaxsonRaine.

I forgot my password...
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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12/6/2012 4:25:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 4:22:38 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:21:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Your dialect is transparent. Youre royal, not JaxxonRaine, he never talked like that.

You're an alien...

I'm sure you have more insults for royal, who was one of the reasons you left. Go on, say some of the worst thing you can say about her. Be as mean as you want. Hell, you can just go say what I said about her. She's an attention seeking loser who goes on DDO because nobody else can stand her. You know its true.
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12/6/2012 4:30:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/6/2012 4:25:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:22:38 PM, RaxsonJaine wrote:
At 12/6/2012 4:21:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Your dialect is transparent. Youre royal, not JaxxonRaine, he never talked like that.

You're an alien...

I'm sure you have more insults for royal, who was one of the reasons you left. Go on, say some of the worst thing you can say about her. Be as mean as you want. Hell, you can just go say what I said about her. She's an attention seeking loser who goes on DDO because nobody else can stand her. You know its true.

If I really were Royal, then I would insult myself to gain credibility.

Which is what I'm doing.

So, do you take the wine in front of me, or the wine in front of you?
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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12/6/2012 7:00:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/6/2012 4:38:59 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Don't mind the last video. Here's the unedited one.



I was going to include that, but I forgot. Thanks FREEDO.
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12/7/2012 11:09:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
The US economy is still the largest. China is projected to overtake the US by the end of Obama's second term. We're growing more slowly than Pakistan.

Economic freedom is dropping like a rock. The real force of regulation is yet to kick in.

What "greatest" means is subjective. The US used to be "greatest" by virtue of it's promotion and defense of freedom. Forget that. Economic freedom is the most important.

The press freedom list cited in the OP seems bogus. The American press is prevented from publishing the names of CIA agents and the plans for building nukes. Countries who are not players in wrld affairs have no such secrets to guard.