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Gun Control & the Lefts Response to Violence

GeoLaureate8
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12/17/2012 10:45:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
000ike says the Left isn't calling for anything except to put more restrictions on who can buy guns. This is wrong for two reasons.

1. The Left is calling for the mass murder of the NRA and suggesting that the NRA members should shoot their kids. They also said they wish we never had a 2nd Amendment and want to repeal it. Screenshots here: http://www.secretsofthefed.com...

Democrat Diane Feinstein introduced a bill to ban assault weapons. Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder said we need to "brainwash" people to become anti-gun.

2. The guns used in the shooting were already illegal. Murder is illegal. The shooter had tried purchasing a rifle earlier in the week and was denied. http://www.secretsofthefed.com...
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12/17/2012 10:58:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/17/2012 10:45:07 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
000ike says the Left isn't calling for anything except to put more restrictions on who can buy guns. This is wrong for two reasons.

1. The Left is calling for the mass murder of the NRA and suggesting that the NRA members should shoot their kids. They also said they wish we never had a 2nd Amendment and want to repeal it. Screenshots here: http://www.secretsofthefed.com...

Democrat Diane Feinstein introduced a bill to ban assault weapons. Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder said we need to "brainwash" people to become anti-gun.

2. The guns used in the shooting were already illegal. Murder is illegal. The shooter had tried purchasing a rifle earlier in the week and was denied. http://www.secretsofthefed.com...

Here's a message I received this week from the LP, a good read and some compelling arguments.

Halt the Massacre of Innocent Children by Ending Prohibition on Self-Defense in Schools

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Families throughout the nation mourn the horrific deaths of 26 people, including 20 young children, killed Friday during a Newtown, Conn., mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

"It"s impossible to imagine the depths of despair and grief that the victims" families are experiencing right now," said Geoffrey J. Neale, Chair of the Libertarian National Committee. "Our hearts go out to every one of them."

In the immediate aftermath of news surrounding the shootings, pundits and politicians called for new restrictions on firearm ownership, exactly the opposite of the approach needed to combat tragic gun violence in schools.

"We've created a 'gun-free zone,' a killing zone, for the sickest criminals on the face of the Earth," said R. Lee Wrights, vice-chair of the Libertarian Party. "We've given them an open killing field, and we've made the children of this country the victims."

Wrights pointed out that merely the knowledge that armed people will be present acts as a deterrent for would-be shooters.

"They're not going to walk into a police station, and why not? Because that's where the guns are," he said.

The Federal Gun Free Schools Zone Act prohibits carrying firearms on school grounds in most cases, effectively criminalizing the right to self-defense in places filled with the most vulnerable citizens. Without that federal prohibition, adults working at the school would have been free to defend themselves, very possibly saving the lives of many of the young children and adults who were slain in this horrific tragedy.

"We must stop blinding ourselves to the obvious: Most of these mass killings are happening at schools where self-defense is prohibited," said Carla Howell, executive director of the Libertarian Party. "Gun prohibition sets the stage for the slaughter of innocent children. We must repeal these anti-self-defense laws now to minimize the likelihood they will occur in the future and to the limit the damage done when they do."

Responsible gun owners can and do prevent mass shootings from occurring and escalating.

A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school's vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.
A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.
A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.
A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.
A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.
A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.
A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.
At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon.
For several years after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, gun prohibitionists blocked pilots from carrying firearms. But after it became undeniable that guns are an essential line of defense against hijackers and other terrorists when the lives of innocent passengers are at stake, Congress finally passed legislation allowing it.

It's time to take the same approach with teachers, school administrators, and security guards, who should be allowed to carry the tools necessary to protect the students in their care. It's time to put an end to gun-free zones and make it much easier for responsible adults to arm, train, and protect themselves and the people they love from the violent criminals who seek to harm them.

"You can't depend on somebody else to take care of your own life for you," Wrights said. "It's too precious to put it into the hands of somebody else, particularly when the seconds count."

The Libertarian Party Platform on Self-Defense states: "The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights " life, liberty, and justly acquired property " against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition."
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12/17/2012 11:11:40 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/17/2012 10:45:07 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
000ike says the Left isn't calling for anything except to put more restrictions on who can buy guns. This is wrong for two reasons.

1. The Left is calling for the mass murder of the NRA and suggesting that the NRA members should shoot their kids. They also said they wish we never had a 2nd Amendment and want to repeal it. Screenshots here: http://www.secretsofthefed.com...

Democrat Diane Feinstein introduced a bill to ban assault weapons. Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder said we need to "brainwash" people to become anti-gun.

2. The guns used in the shooting were already illegal. Murder is illegal. The shooter had tried purchasing a rifle earlier in the week and was denied. http://www.secretsofthefed.com...

Again. None of this matters. It is just propaganda. And what they have to offer will not create any solutions to these matters today. Guranteed.
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12/17/2012 11:13:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Way to equivocate on 'the left'. You can find retarded statements supporting any position on facebook, especially when an emotional event like murdering children is involved.
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12/17/2012 11:18:03 AM
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Oh, and it's an indisputable fact that countries with stricter gun laws have lower firearm fatalities/injuries. That this person used a gun illegally is utterly beside the point. He would have never gotten hold of a gun if he were British, certainly not the assault weapon he got hold off.
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12/17/2012 11:45:11 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/17/2012 11:18:03 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Oh, and it's an indisputable fact that countries with stricter gun laws have lower firearm fatalities/injuries. That this person used a gun illegally is utterly beside the point. He would have never gotten hold of a gun if he were British, certainly not the assault weapon he got hold off.

That is irrelevent. Drugs cannot be stopped because it is an industry.
Neither can guns.
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12/17/2012 11:51:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/17/2012 11:13:05 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Way to equivocate on 'the left'. You can find retarded statements supporting any position on facebook, especially when an emotional event like murdering children is involved.

Eric Holder, Feinstein, Bloomberg, Obama, etc. all want to ban ALL guns in their own words.
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12/17/2012 12:05:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/17/2012 11:51:58 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/17/2012 11:13:05 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Way to equivocate on 'the left'. You can find retarded statements supporting any position on facebook, especially when an emotional event like murdering children is involved.

Eric Holder, Feinstein, Bloomberg, Obama, etc. all want to ban ALL guns in their own words.

I'm not talking about banning guns, I'm talking about murdering NRA members. Although, I'm surprised if that's true. Source?
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12/17/2012 12:22:13 PM
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Countries (even our own) that prohibit gun ownership always experience higher crime related fatalities....always without fail.

Why is it that anti-gun nuts d o not mind so much if an innocent adult is killed or molested, even in their own homes, yet pounce on the death of children as the soap box to deny American rights?
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12/17/2012 12:24:42 PM
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"secretsofthefed.com" seems like a reliable source.....
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12/17/2012 12:25:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/17/2012 11:45:11 AM, inferno wrote:
At 12/17/2012 11:18:03 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Oh, and it's an indisputable fact that countries with stricter gun laws have lower firearm fatalities/injuries. That this person used a gun illegally is utterly beside the point. He would have never gotten hold of a gun if he were British, certainly not the assault weapon he got hold off.

That is irrelevent. Drugs cannot be stopped because it is an industry.
Neither can guns.

England "stopped" PRIVATE gun ownership and the drugs deaths and violence escalated...

There is always a direct correlation between increased crime rates and removal or limitation of private gun ownership.
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12/17/2012 12:30:05 PM
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At 12/17/2012 11:18:03 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Oh, and it's an indisputable fact that countries with stricter gun laws have lower firearm fatalities/injuries. That this person used a gun illegally is utterly beside the point. He would have never gotten hold of a gun if he were British, certainly not the assault weapon he got hold off.

1. Chicago banned all guns yet has rates of gun crime.

2. False. America and Switzerland have some of the most gun freedom and lowest gun violence compared to countries with

3. All tyrants disarm their citizens before tyrannizing then. Hitler disarmed the Jews before matching them off into concentration camps.

4. How can you not see that innocents having guns protect them from psychopaths and tyrants?
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12/17/2012 1:16:08 PM
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At 12/17/2012 11:18:03 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Oh, and it's an indisputable fact that countries with stricter gun laws have lower firearm fatalities/injuries. That this person used a gun illegally is utterly beside the point. He would have never gotten hold of a gun if he were British, certainly not the assault weapon he got hold off.

Who got a hold of an assault weapon?
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12/17/2012 1:20:48 PM
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At 12/17/2012 12:30:05 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/17/2012 11:18:03 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Oh, and it's an indisputable fact that countries with stricter gun laws have lower firearm fatalities/injuries. That this person used a gun illegally is utterly beside the point. He would have never gotten hold of a gun if he were British, certainly not the assault weapon he got hold off.

1. Chicago banned all guns yet has rates of gun crime. Same with Washington DC and now England. Banning guns increased crime in Australia and Russia. Clinton researchers admitted banning assault weapons had no effect on crime rates. Lott 2003, 2010 provides some evidence that the bans slightly increased crime.

Fixed.


2. False. Israel and Switzerland have some of the most gun freedom and lowest gun violence compared to countries with gun control

Fixed.


3. All tyrants disarm their citizens before tyrannizing then. Hitler disarmed the Jews before matching them off into concentration camps.

4. How can you not see that innocents having guns protect them from psychopaths and tyrants?
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12/17/2012 3:46:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/17/2012 11:18:03 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Oh, and it's an indisputable fact that countries with stricter gun laws have lower firearm fatalities/injuries. That this person used a gun illegally is utterly beside the point. He would have never gotten hold of a gun if he were British, certainly not the assault weapon he got hold off.

If I can get banned "things" in America, a Brit can get assault weapons.
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12/17/2012 11:37:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/17/2012 10:45:07 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
000ike says the Left isn't calling for anything except to put more restrictions on who can buy guns. This is wrong for two reasons.

1. The Left is calling for the mass murder of the NRA and suggesting that the NRA members should shoot their kids. They also said they wish we never had a 2nd Amendment and want to repeal it. Screenshots here: http://www.secretsofthefed.com...

Democrat Diane Feinstein introduced a bill to ban assault weapons. Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder said we need to "brainwash" people to become anti-gun.

2. The guns used in the shooting were already illegal. Murder is illegal. The shooter had tried purchasing a rifle earlier in the week and was denied. http://www.secretsofthefed.com...

Are conspiracy websites the only place you go to for news?

And can you please define "The left"?