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DetectableNinja
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12/19/2012 11:14:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm watching the press conference right now on the news. President Obama has just announced that he's creating a task force headed by Vice President Biden to come up "by January" with proposals for the new Congress n how to deal with gun violence.

What do you think will come of this? Failure? Success?
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12/19/2012 11:16:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is the political equivalent of "I don't want to talk about this right now, but give it a few months."

He needed to somehow respond to gun claims. This is an action which essentially means nothing other than "hire people to think up a suggestion to give to congress."
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12/19/2012 11:55:11 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/19/2012 11:16:42 AM, Wnope wrote:
This is the political equivalent of "I don't want to talk about this right now, but give it a few months."

He needed to somehow respond to gun claims. This is an action which essentially means nothing other than "hire people to think up a suggestion to give to congress."

This is already driving the demand and sales of guns. I need to invest in some gun stocks. I wonder if any of the manufacturers are publicly traded.
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GeoLaureate8
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12/19/2012 11:57:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
If he really thinks there's no need for new gun control measures, why can't he just be honest and say "lets face it, Connecticut already has strict gun laws, no need for further legislation. Guns aren't the problem." He's not running for reelection, why act like youre on the campaign trail.

I know the answer, I'm asking you out there
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12/19/2012 12:00:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/19/2012 11:57:04 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
If he really thinks there's no need for new gun control measures, why can't he just be honest and say "lets face it, Connecticut already has strict gun laws, no need for further legislation. Guns aren't the problem." He's not running for reelection, why act like youre on the campaign trail.

I know the answer, I'm asking you out there

The answer is "because he's a politician."

Have you even begun to consider what would happen politically if Obama started a serious push towards gun control at this point?

You remind me of all the gays who were so shocked that he wouldn't defend them during healthcare and suddenly reversed himself when Biden accidentally cornered him.
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12/19/2012 12:00:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
By the way, if you actually were following Obama, he TRIED to say "let's ignore things" but people didn't go for that line.
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12/19/2012 12:02:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/19/2012 11:57:04 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
If he really thinks there's no need for new gun control measures, why can't he just be honest and say "lets face it, Connecticut already has strict gun laws, no need for further legislation. Guns aren't the problem." He's not running for reelection, why act like youre on the campaign trail.

I know the answer, I'm asking you out there

Because people are pissed. He has to say something. He can't just say "oh buncha kids got shot? Everything is fine. Keep on, keeping on."
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12/19/2012 12:04:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/19/2012 11:57:04 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
If he really thinks there's no need for new gun control measures, why can't he just be honest and say "lets face it, Connecticut already has strict gun laws, no need for further legislation. Guns aren't the problem." He's not running for reelection, why act like youre on the campaign trail.

I know the answer, I'm asking you out there

What are you talking about? He's already said he wants to reintroduce the assault weapons ban.
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12/19/2012 12:04:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/19/2012 11:14:30 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I'm watching the press conference right now on the news. President Obama has just announced that he's creating a task force headed by Vice President Biden to come up "by January" with proposals for the new Congress n how to deal with gun violence.

What do you think will come of this? Failure? Success?

If gun control is part of the plan, I'm betting it will only be minimal and have to do with guns which are clearly not for hunting...

Surely they will do something a little more substantial than this. Hopefully they will do some actual research into why these people do this in the first place. If he is actually serious, then he will want to get at the root of the problem which is probably complicated and far-reaching.
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12/19/2012 12:27:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/19/2012 12:00:09 PM, Wnope wrote:
The answer is "because he's a politician."

He's.not.up.for.reelection. Can you use that answer for everything he does? Drone strike slaughter, because he's a politician. Destruction of the dollar, because he's a politician. Indefinite detention of Americans, because he's a politician.

Get real. Ron Paul is a politician. Rand Paul is a politician. Justin Amash, Ted Cruz, Tim Scott, Jim DeMint are politicians. And they straight talk.

The answer is, unlike the Pauls, Obama is a ruthless, deceitful, authoritarian politician.

Have you even begun to consider what would happen politically if Obama started a serious push towards gun control at this point?

He is seriously pushing towards gun control and look at the backlash. He said "you didn't build that," "cling to guns and religion," "blacks are lazy." Those didn't go over well yet he still said it.

Why can't he just say the truth. Connecticut has the 4th strictest gun laws in America and it didn't stop anything. He needs to stop the act. Being a politician is no excuse.

You remind me of all the gays who were so shocked that he wouldn't defend them during healthcare and suddenly reversed himself when Biden accidentally cornered him.

That happened before the election. What don't you understand about being able to do whatever you want in your second term.
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12/19/2012 12:31:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/19/2012 12:04:03 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 12/19/2012 11:57:04 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
If he really thinks there's no need for new gun control measures, why can't he just be honest and say "lets face it, Connecticut already has strict gun laws, no need for further legislation. Guns aren't the problem." He's not running for reelection, why act like youre on the campaign trail.

I know the answer, I'm asking you out there

What are you talking about? He's already said he wants to reintroduce the assault weapons ban.

I know that. Wnope said Obama is pretending. I was granting Wnope's perspective and asking him why. That's why I said "if."
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12/19/2012 1:10:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/19/2012 11:14:30 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I'm watching the press conference right now on the news. President Obama has just announced that he's creating a task force headed by Vice President Biden to come up "by January" with proposals for the new Congress n how to deal with gun violence.

What do you think will come of this? Failure? Success?

Probably the same assault weapons ban that expired in 2004, although I doubt it will pass through Congress.
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12/19/2012 1:19:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
They will likely act like the NRC.

Who is on the task force? I could predict the ruling that way.
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12/19/2012 1:20:20 PM
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At 12/19/2012 11:14:30 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I'm watching the press conference right now on the news. President Obama has just announced that he's creating a task force headed by Vice President Biden to come up "by January" with proposals for the new Congress n how to deal with gun violence.

What do you think will come of this? Failure? Success?

More nonsense.
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12/19/2012 1:21:04 PM
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At 12/19/2012 1:19:17 PM, 16kadams wrote:
They will likely act like the NRC.

Who is on the task force? I could predict the ruling that way.

I'll look up the second part when they make it.
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12/19/2012 1:37:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I can't figure out the assault rifle ban, it wouldn't have had an effect on the sandy shooting as the kid didn't use an assault rifle.
I thought rifles had to have a certain barrel length and couldn't be burst or fully auto, what's an assault rifle ban going to further cover?
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12/19/2012 6:06:39 PM
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At 12/19/2012 1:37:14 PM, lewis20 wrote:
I can't figure out the assault rifle ban, it wouldn't have had an effect on the sandy shooting as the kid didn't use an assault rifle.
I thought rifles had to have a certain barrel length and couldn't be burst or fully auto, what's an assault rifle ban going to further cover?

Not a damn thing.
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