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Boehner is NOT faking

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1/4/2013 11:06:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
http://www.cnn.com...

Boehner is apparently quite humbled by his being re-elected as Speaker of the House. The man nearly broke down in the middle of his speech.

In a prior post (http://debate.org...) I asked whether Obama was faking or not when he broke down on two occasions.

Similar to Boehner, when Obama got re-elected, he visibly broke down while making a speech to those that helped him on his campaign.

http://abcnews.go.com...

However, immediately after the Sandy Hook shootings, Obama made another speech, where IMHO he was clearly faking it.

http://www.bloomberg.com...

So, my question is simple:

Is Boehner crying because of how overjoyed he was at being re-elected, or is he truly humbled by the task in front of him?
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/4/2013 11:37:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/4/2013 11:06:54 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Boehner is apparently quite humbled by his being re-elected as Speaker of the House. The man nearly broke down in the middle of his speech.

In a prior post (http://debate.org...) I asked whether Obama was faking or not when he broke down on two occasions.

Similar to Boehner, when Obama got re-elected, he visibly broke down while making a speech to those that helped him on his campaign.

http://abcnews.go.com...

However, immediately after the Sandy Hook shootings, Obama made another speech, where IMHO he was clearly faking it.

http://www.bloomberg.com...




So, my question is simple:

Is Boehner crying because of how overjoyed he was at being re-elected, or is he truly humbled by the task in front of him?

How do you know that the president was "clearly faking it?" Maybe he was honestly sickened and heartbroken over the shooting like every other emotionally-stable person in the country was. I myself even cried over the shooting. (I do a lot of volunteer work at a local elementary school)

I honestly don't think Boehner is faking it (unless he's REALLY stupid). He honestly believes that he's on the right side of the issues and is proud of how far he's come in life. Even though I don't agree with the man 9 times out of 10, being Speaker of the House is quite an accomplishment and is indeed commendable. He feels like he is doing the right thing and protecting America, so he naturally gets emotional about it.

And I believe the president feels the same way.
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1/4/2013 11:46:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Boehner would cry if he read any childrens book that has a happy ending because frankly he would cry over just about anything, I have no doubt in my mind that he was sincerely crying and not faking it.
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1/4/2013 11:57:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/4/2013 11:37:29 AM, The_Toucan_Man wrote:
At 1/4/2013 11:06:54 AM, wrichcirw wrote:


How do you know that the president was "clearly faking it?"

I was clear this was my opinion. If I knew for sure, I would say it was a fact and explain why.

Maybe he was honestly sickened and heartbroken over the shooting like every other emotionally-stable person in the country was. I myself even cried over the shooting. (I do a lot of volunteer work at a local elementary school)

Yeah, it was rough. I still can't get over the age of the kids.

I honestly don't think Boehner is faking it (unless he's REALLY stupid). He honestly believes that he's on the right side of the issues and is proud of how far he's come in life. Even though I don't agree with the man 9 times out of 10, being Speaker of the House is quite an accomplishment and is indeed commendable. He feels like he is doing the right thing and protecting America, so he naturally gets emotional about it.

And I believe the president feels the same way.

Yep, I'm with you on this part.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/4/2013 11:58:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/4/2013 11:16:18 AM, Danielle wrote:
I hate to be a d!ck but why does this matter? Actions speak louder than words and definitely tears.

It's my way of gauging the sincerity of our politicians.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/4/2013 1:20:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/4/2013 11:58:49 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/4/2013 11:16:18 AM, Danielle wrote:
I hate to be a d!ck but why does this matter? Actions speak louder than words and definitely tears.

It's my way of gauging the sincerity of our politicians.

He is sincerely in love with himself and sincerely loves to cry but he's not sincerely working to advance anything other than his own political career. As is the case with most politicians in Washington.
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1/4/2013 2:04:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/4/2013 1:20:41 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/4/2013 11:58:49 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/4/2013 11:16:18 AM, Danielle wrote:
I hate to be a d!ck but why does this matter? Actions speak louder than words and definitely tears.

It's my way of gauging the sincerity of our politicians.

He is sincerely in love with himself and sincerely loves to cry but he's not sincerely working to advance anything other than his own political career. As is the case with most politicians in Washington.

+1

I had a car salesman sincerely cry in front of me. I still did not buy his car.
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1/4/2013 3:58:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/4/2013 1:20:41 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/4/2013 11:58:49 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/4/2013 11:16:18 AM, Danielle wrote:
I hate to be a d!ck but why does this matter? Actions speak louder than words and definitely tears.

It's my way of gauging the sincerity of our politicians.

He is sincerely in love with himself and sincerely loves to cry but he's not sincerely working to advance anything other than his own political career. As is the case with most politicians in Washington.

Well, in order to actually be an effective politician (i.e. advocate the interests of your constituency), you have to actually be a politician. I.e., you need to make sure you don't abruptly end your career.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/4/2013 4:25:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/4/2013 3:58:18 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/4/2013 1:20:41 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/4/2013 11:58:49 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/4/2013 11:16:18 AM, Danielle wrote:
I hate to be a d!ck but why does this matter? Actions speak louder than words and definitely tears.

It's my way of gauging the sincerity of our politicians.

He is sincerely in love with himself and sincerely loves to cry but he's not sincerely working to advance anything other than his own political career. As is the case with most politicians in Washington.

Well, in order to actually be an effective politician (i.e. advocate the interests of your constituency), you have to actually be a politician. I.e., you need to make sure you don't abruptly end your career.

The ends justify the means eh?
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1/4/2013 4:32:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/4/2013 4:25:36 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/4/2013 3:58:18 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/4/2013 1:20:41 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/4/2013 11:58:49 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/4/2013 11:16:18 AM, Danielle wrote:
I hate to be a d!ck but why does this matter? Actions speak louder than words and definitely tears.

It's my way of gauging the sincerity of our politicians.

He is sincerely in love with himself and sincerely loves to cry but he's not sincerely working to advance anything other than his own political career. As is the case with most politicians in Washington.

Well, in order to actually be an effective politician (i.e. advocate the interests of your constituency), you have to actually be a politician. I.e., you need to make sure you don't abruptly end your career.

The ends justify the means eh?

That's not my point. My point was that there's a hierarchy of needs to satisfy. In order to advocate his/her politician, a politician needs to secure his/her seat and build his/her reputation. A healthy reputation facilitates deal-making, etc.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/4/2013 6:19:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/4/2013 4:32:18 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/4/2013 4:25:36 PM, lewis20 wrote:


That's not my point. My point was that there's a hierarchy of needs to satisfy. In order to advocate his/her position, a politician needs to secure his/her seat and build his/her reputation. A healthy reputation facilitates deal-making, etc.

God I hate correcting myself, lol...
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/4/2013 7:05:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
So, my question is simple:

Is Boehner crying because of how overjoyed he was at being re-elected, or is he truly humbled by the task in front of him?

Half & half perhaps. I heard House Speaker John Boehner is an emotional guy. He cried at least twice on two different occasions prior to this one. So in conclusion, he is not faking it (if past incidences mean anything).
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1/5/2013 7:56:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
As an amateur lie-detector, I don't presume to know when professional liars are faking it. But I'm certain it involves self-deception, as that's the surest arrow in the liar's quiver. So if I'm Obama, recognizing the political utility of appearing sympathetic to Newtown, CT, which is to say Everytown, USA, I might imagine little Sasha and Malia were there and just let the tears manufacture themselves. And then when it's time to appear tough on terror, I might imagine the innocent children killed in drone attacks as crash test dummies.
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1/5/2013 8:16:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
And...what am I supposed to do with that information?
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1/5/2013 8:18:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/5/2013 7:56:31 PM, CarefulNow wrote:
As an amateur lie-detector, I don't presume to know when professional liars are faking it. But I'm certain it involves self-deception, as that's the surest arrow in the liar's quiver. So if I'm Obama, recognizing the political utility of appearing sympathetic to Newtown, CT, which is to say Everytown, USA, I might imagine little Sasha and Malia were there and just let the tears manufacture themselves. And then when it's time to appear tough on terror, I might imagine the innocent children killed in drone attacks as crash test dummies.

I have a very similar view. I was thinking the same thing about Obama and Newtown.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/5/2013 8:20:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"How do you know that the president was "clearly faking it?" Maybe he was honestly sickened and heartbroken over the shooting like every other emotionally-stable person in the country was. I myself even cried over the shooting. (I do a lot of volunteer work at a local elementary school)"
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1/5/2013 11:17:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/5/2013 10:41:35 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
What are you trying to say? That sincerely emotional people are naive to the realities of everyday tragedies?

No, I am merely attempting to determine the sincerity of said emotion. Hence the title.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/5/2013 11:45:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/5/2013 11:17:02 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/5/2013 10:41:35 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
What are you trying to say? That sincerely emotional people are naive to the realities of everyday tragedies?

No, I am merely attempting to determine the sincerity of said emotion. Hence the title.

That was for bossy.
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1/6/2013 7:49:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think there's something about being famous and on television that makes people feel compelled to show emotion. I don't think either Obama or Boehner fake cried, because they're both intelligent enough to know that it wouldn't make them look good. I think they cried honestly,...not realizing how silly the crying looked to those watching.
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