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1/9/2013 5:31:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's the Drudge Report headline news. People said the Republican House of Reps would never pass a gun ban. True, but Dictator Obama doesn't care! He is bypassing Congress. OBAMA NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
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1/9/2013 5:35:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/9/2013 5:31:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
It's the Drudge Report headline news. People said the Republican House of Reps would never pass a gun ban. True, but Dictator Obama doesn't care! He is bypassing Congress. OBAMA NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY.

Then go make a citizen's arrest.


"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
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1/9/2013 5:35:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/9/2013 5:31:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
It's the Drudge Report headline news. People said the Republican House of Reps would never pass a gun ban. True, but Dictator Obama doesn't care! He is bypassing Congress. OBAMA NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
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Gun control is not the answer to gun violence! Mentally ill care reform is.
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1/9/2013 5:58:09 PM
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At 1/9/2013 5:31:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
It's the Drudge Report headline news. People said the Republican House of Reps would never pass a gun ban. True, but Dictator Obama doesn't care! He is bypassing Congress. OBAMA NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
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This reads like a trial balloon. If there was real policy in the works, Biden would be stomped for letting it leak.

This was done to see how the media and public will react. Period.
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1/9/2013 6:49:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/9/2013 6:24:34 PM, Typhlochactas wrote:
Not happening.

Prove it. Obama slaughtered thousands of women and children. He bypassed Congress to go to war in Libya. He is ruthless and will do anything.

His Attorney General Eric Holder said on camera to literally "brainwash" people to be anti-gun. He did Fast and Furious.
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1/9/2013 7:22:59 PM
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Won't work, even if he does try to go through with it.

Heller put all second amendment issues under strict scrutiny. One lawsuit, and SCOTUS would throw it out.

Unless, of course, Obama issues a completely benign executive order which only appears to do something but has no enforcement mechanism, thus keeping pro-gun advocates from having standing in court.
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1/9/2013 7:24:29 PM
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At 1/9/2013 7:22:59 PM, Wnope wrote:
Won't work, even if he does try to go through with it.

Heller put all second amendment issues under strict scrutiny. One lawsuit, and SCOTUS would throw it out.

Unless, of course, Obama issues a completely benign executive order which only appears to do something but has no enforcement mechanism, thus keeping pro-gun advocates from having standing in court.

Example of benign executive order:

"Serious, guys, no machine guns."

or

"You can't import illegal things."
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1/9/2013 7:27:14 PM
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At 1/9/2013 6:49:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/9/2013 6:24:34 PM, Typhlochactas wrote:
Not happening.

Prove it. Obama slaughtered thousands of women and children. He bypassed Congress to go to war in Libya. He is ruthless and will do anything.

His Attorney General Eric Holder said on camera to literally "brainwash" people to be anti-gun. He did Fast and Furious.

Does the president have the authority to issue the executive order with respect to the gun-control ?
As for the war in Libya, to the best of my recollection, the president can declare war without the confirmation of Congress (or something alike). The president has the final say on foreign policy.
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1/9/2013 7:30:25 PM
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The problem is he can work around those obstacles. He can just order the ATF to confiscate and call it an order or rule. He can stomp down on weapons or ammo manufacturers. He can ban all ammo. He can ban 1,000 gun variants and let people have only 3-round capacity muskets and say "see, I let you have guns." There's lots he can do.
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1/9/2013 7:51:12 PM
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At 1/9/2013 7:30:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
The problem is he can work around those obstacles. He can just order the ATF to confiscate and call it an order or rule. He can stomp down on weapons or ammo manufacturers. He can ban all ammo. He can ban 1,000 gun variants and let people have only 3-round capacity muskets and say "see, I let you have guns." There's lots he can do.

Then there would be another great show in Congress.
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1/9/2013 7:54:07 PM
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At 1/9/2013 7:30:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
The problem is he can work around those obstacles. He can just order the ATF to confiscate and call it an order or rule. He can stomp down on weapons or ammo manufacturers. He can ban all ammo. He can ban 1,000 gun variants and let people have only 3-round capacity muskets and say "see, I let you have guns." There's lots he can do.

Any of the options you just mentioned could be challenged in court, and SCOTUS would immediately take it up.

Even the liberals on the court would be against Obama on that.
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1/9/2013 7:58:11 PM
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At 1/9/2013 5:58:09 PM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/9/2013 5:31:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
It's the Drudge Report headline news. People said the Republican House of Reps would never pass a gun ban. True, but Dictator Obama doesn't care! He is bypassing Congress. OBAMA NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
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This reads like a trial balloon. If there was real policy in the works, Biden would be stomped for letting it leak.

This was done to see how the media and public will react. Period.

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1/9/2013 8:00:44 PM
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At 1/9/2013 7:30:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
The problem is he can work around those obstacles. He can just order the ATF to confiscate and call it an order or rule. He can stomp down on weapons or ammo manufacturers. He can ban all ammo. He can ban 1,000 gun variants and let people have only 3-round capacity muskets and say "see, I let you have guns." There's lots he can do.

Heller found banning firearms is illegal. Technically that ban let people have guns, but was still unconstitutional. It would be struck down.
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1/9/2013 8:26:15 PM
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Idiots. He's never going to ban guns. It doesn't accomplish anything for him. But the administration has to say something. People are scared. They don't want some maniac to gun down their children. You can quote facts and statistics but emotion trumps logic 95% of the time.
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1/9/2013 8:31:28 PM
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At 1/9/2013 7:22:59 PM, Wnope wrote:
Won't work, even if he does try to go through with it.

Heller put all second amendment issues under strict scrutiny. One lawsuit, and SCOTUS would throw it out.

Unless, of course, Obama issues a completely benign executive order which only appears to do something but has no enforcement mechanism, thus keeping pro-gun advocates from having standing in court.

If you think for one moment that the constitution or the the second amendment to the constitution will protect your rights you live a life of delusion. The constitution like any other legal document is only as good or bad as the people interpreting or enforcing it. It is as worthless as any other legal document. It can it has and will be circumvented and you have you will and will continue to loose civil liberties and rights.
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1/9/2013 9:44:42 PM
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At 1/9/2013 8:31:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 1/9/2013 7:22:59 PM, Wnope wrote:
Won't work, even if he does try to go through with it.

Heller put all second amendment issues under strict scrutiny. One lawsuit, and SCOTUS would throw it out.

Unless, of course, Obama issues a completely benign executive order which only appears to do something but has no enforcement mechanism, thus keeping pro-gun advocates from having standing in court.

If you think for one moment that the constitution or the the second amendment to the constitution will protect your rights you live a life of delusion. The constitution like any other legal document is only as good or bad as the people interpreting or enforcing it. It is as worthless as any other legal document. It can it has and will be circumvented and you have you will and will continue to loose civil liberties and rights.

So...every SCOTUS case involving striking down federal and/or state laws banning guns didn't happen?
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1/9/2013 11:10:16 PM
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At 1/9/2013 6:49:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/9/2013 6:24:34 PM, Typhlochactas wrote:
Not happening.

Prove it. Obama slaughtered thousands of women and children. He bypassed Congress to go to war in Libya. He is ruthless and will do anything.

His Attorney General Eric Holder said on camera to literally "brainwash" people to be anti-gun. He did Fast and Furious.

You wanna debate this?
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1/10/2013 9:11:36 AM
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At 1/9/2013 11:10:16 PM, Typhlochactas wrote:
At 1/9/2013 6:49:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/9/2013 6:24:34 PM, Typhlochactas wrote:
Not happening.

Prove it. Obama slaughtered thousands of women and children. He bypassed Congress to go to war in Libya. He is ruthless and will do anything.

His Attorney General Eric Holder said on camera to literally "brainwash" people to be anti-gun. He did Fast and Furious.

You wanna debate this?

Geos the kind of idiot who will post anything he wnts in the forums and then dance like a monkey sayin it's true, but will never ever defend anything he says in a debate.

It's best to just point out how stupid he's being and then leave
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1/10/2013 10:24:13 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Alex Jones 1, Obama 0

"Using Executive Orders to accomplish goals hung up in Congress is not new for any president, but Obama's use of it could backfire by lending credence to statements made by conspiracy theorists such as"radio host Alex Jones.
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This situation does underscore a much touchier problem for the president - how to issue an executive order meant to curb gun violence without it looking like some sort of despotic decree."

Executive order on gun control could misfire on Obama
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1/10/2013 8:10:44 PM
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At 1/9/2013 7:54:07 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/9/2013 7:30:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
The problem is he can work around those obstacles. He can just order the ATF to confiscate and call it an order or rule. He can stomp down on weapons or ammo manufacturers. He can ban all ammo. He can ban 1,000 gun variants and let people have only 3-round capacity muskets and say "see, I let you have guns." There's lots he can do.

Any of the options you just mentioned could be challenged in court, and SCOTUS would immediately take it up.

Even the liberals on the court would be against Obama on that.
My gut says Breyer and Ginsburg would not. Sotomayor would. No idea with Kagan.
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1/10/2013 8:21:31 PM
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At 1/9/2013 5:31:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
It's the Drudge Report headline news. People said the Republican House of Reps would never pass a gun ban. True, but Dictator Obama doesn't care! He is bypassing Congress. OBAMA NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
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If he tried to violate the constitution with an executive order to seize guns, than there would be a civil war. States would secede, and Obama would be remembered as a tyrant who torn the nation in 2.

During his first term New Hampshire threaten secession, if Obama attempts to ban guns. We are well in our rights to secede.
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1/10/2013 9:08:33 PM
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Good job Geo, you get a cookie and a gold star. Now go play outside and don't forget to where your helmet.
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1/10/2013 9:37:18 PM
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At 1/10/2013 8:21:31 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/9/2013 5:31:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
It's the Drudge Report headline news. People said the Republican House of Reps would never pass a gun ban. True, but Dictator Obama doesn't care! He is bypassing Congress. OBAMA NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
http://m.weeklystandard.com...

If he tried to violate the constitution with an executive order to seize guns, than there would be a civil war. States would secede, and Obama would be remembered as a tyrant who torn the nation in 2.

During his first term New Hampshire threaten secession, if Obama attempts to ban guns. We are well in our rights to secede.


What if this is what he wants?

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1/10/2013 9:46:53 PM
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At 1/10/2013 9:37:18 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 1/10/2013 8:21:31 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/9/2013 5:31:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
It's the Drudge Report headline news. People said the Republican House of Reps would never pass a gun ban. True, but Dictator Obama doesn't care! He is bypassing Congress. OBAMA NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
http://m.weeklystandard.com...

If he tried to violate the constitution with an executive order to seize guns, than there would be a civil war. States would secede, and Obama would be remembered as a tyrant who torn the nation in 2.

During his first term New Hampshire threaten secession, if Obama attempts to ban guns. We are well in our rights to secede.


What if this is what he wants?

Us divided, and weak.

Why? How exactly does that help Obama?
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1/10/2013 10:36:03 PM
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At 1/9/2013 5:31:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
It's the Drudge Report headline news. People said the Republican House of Reps would never pass a gun ban. True, but Dictator Obama doesn't care! He is bypassing Congress. OBAMA NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
http://m.weeklystandard.com...

Honestly, how well could this go over? Do you think gun owners would be really passive about a run around the Constitution to take their rights? And that's the thing: Politicians are still scared of gun owners -- and it's not necessarily the violence they're afraid of. It's that we've demonstrated for a long time we will consistently vote on this issue.
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1/11/2013 2:35:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/11/2013 12:28:55 AM, Agent_Orange wrote:
Here's a question. 30, 000 gun deaths a year. Is it worth it? Are we ok with that figure?

And taking guns from law abiding citizens would improve that... how?