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1/16/2013 6:06:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Rand Paul to push legislation nullifying Obama"s executive orders on guns

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul plans to introduce legislation in Congress soon nullifying the executive orders on guns announced by President Barack Obama on Wednesday, a source familiar with the plans confirmed to The Daily Caller.

The Republican legislator plans to reveal his plans for legislation during an appearance on Sean Hannity"s show on Fox News on Wednesday night, the source said.

The news was first reported during the Fox News show "The Five" on Wednesday by anchor Eric Bolling.

"I"m told Sen. Rand Paul will introduce language within hours, within hours, to call for the nullification and prohibition of funding for the president"s executive actions announced today and possibly even using the federal courts to nullify and defund some of the things that he plans on doing," Bolling said.

The Capitol Hill source told TheDC that Paul"s legislation is expected to do three things: nullify Obama"s executive orders, defund them and ask the Senate to file a court challenge to them.

http://dailycaller.com...
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1/16/2013 6:08:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Good thing.

Question: Did Rand Paul successfully repeal/ nullify the NDAA indefinite detention clause?
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1/16/2013 6:09:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
How utterly idiotic. Positively deranged.

Let's see what Rand Paul is attacking:

-Increasing sharing information between states so a mental patient can't go across state lines to buy a gun.

- Improving incentives for states to share information.

-Ensuring federal agencies share relevant information.

- Having the Attorney General review laws to make sure they are effective.
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1/16/2013 6:16:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/16/2013 6:08:00 PM, Contra wrote:
Good thing.

Question: Did Rand Paul successfully repeal/ nullify the NDAA indefinite detention clause?

Yes. He got the Senate to vote for the Lee Amendment that cancels indefinite detention. However, McCain held a secret committee removing the amendment without vote right before the final bill vote.

Rand Paul also successfully filibustered the Patriot Act extension and forced Obama/Reid to cheat and use loopholes to sign the extension into law.
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1/16/2013 6:25:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/16/2013 6:09:14 PM, Wnope wrote:
How utterly idiotic. Positively deranged.

Let's see what Rand Paul is attacking:

-Increasing sharing information between states so a mental patient can't go across state lines to buy a gun.

- Improving incentives for states to share information.

-Ensuring federal agencies share relevant information.

Obamacare had some good stuff too like letting kids stay on their parents health insurance plan til 26, yet the overall bill is still hellish. You have to serve hell in an appealing hand basket.

Obama turned doctors into police and snitches, he banned guns he doesn't like by banning scary looking guns rather than banning those with unnecessary deadly force, he banned clips carrying 10 rounds, and he is using $500 million dollars of tax payer money that will literally save no lives and will in fact jeopardize many lives.

- Having the Attorney General review laws to make sure they are effective.

The Attorney General is on record saying that he wants to literally "brainwash" people to be anti-gun and is the one who gave thousands of assault weapons to violent Mexican drug cartels who killed hundreds of innocent people.

You're telling me I should trust this guy? Get out.
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1/16/2013 6:29:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Breaking: New York Creates a Psychiatric Police State
http://www.davidicke.com...

Essentially Obama did this on a national scale.
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1/16/2013 7:07:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/16/2013 6:06:03 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Rand Paul to push legislation nullifying Obama"s executive orders on guns

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul plans to introduce legislation in Congress soon nullifying the executive orders on guns announced by President Barack Obama on Wednesday, a source familiar with the plans confirmed to The Daily Caller.

The Republican legislator plans to reveal his plans for legislation during an appearance on Sean Hannity"s show on Fox News on Wednesday night, the source said.

The news was first reported during the Fox News show "The Five" on Wednesday by anchor Eric Bolling.

"I"m told Sen. Rand Paul will introduce language within hours, within hours, to call for the nullification and prohibition of funding for the president"s executive actions announced today and possibly even using the federal courts to nullify and defund some of the things that he plans on doing," Bolling said.

The Capitol Hill source told TheDC that Paul"s legislation is expected to do three things: nullify Obama"s executive orders, defund them and ask the Senate to file a court challenge to them.

http://dailycaller.com...

This is more like a show. Nobody expects the gun-control legislation to pass the Republican controlled House. The only few provisions that could be endorsed by both House & Senate are those target mentally-ill and background check.
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1/16/2013 7:10:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/16/2013 6:16:45 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/16/2013 6:08:00 PM, Contra wrote:
Good thing.

Question: Did Rand Paul successfully repeal/ nullify the NDAA indefinite detention clause?

Yes. He got the Senate to vote for the Lee Amendment that cancels indefinite detention. However, McCain held a secret committee removing the amendment without vote right before the final bill vote.

Rand Paul also successfully filibustered the Patriot Act extension and forced Obama/Reid to cheat and use loopholes to sign the extension into law.

"a secret committee?" Which secret committee?
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1/16/2013 7:24:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/16/2013 6:16:45 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/16/2013 6:08:00 PM, Contra wrote:
Good thing.

Question: Did Rand Paul successfully repeal/ nullify the NDAA indefinite detention clause?

Yes.

Two seconds later....

However, McCain held a secret committee removing the amendment without vote right before the final bill vote.

So he failed then. Dumba**......

Rand Paul also successfully filibustered the Patriot Act extension and forced Obama/Reid to cheat and use loopholes to sign the extension into law.
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1/16/2013 8:39:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Man, why does Rand Paul have to be such a prick, because he is actually really good on civil liberties, and he is not afraid to stand alone in opposition to tyranny (see patriot act renewal where he was the ONLY senator to vote nay, and the speech he gave before his vote was flat out inspiring...but again, why such a douche? Is it a requirement to attract the Tea Party set?)?
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1/16/2013 8:59:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/16/2013 6:29:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Breaking: New York Creates a Psychiatric Police State
http://www.davidicke.com...

Essentially Obama did this on a national scale.

Really.....David Icke....the guy who believes the human race is ruled by reptilians from Draco? I can actually find a little validity in Infowars, but no way in hell I can take anything this guy says seriously.
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1/16/2013 9:15:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/16/2013 6:09:14 PM, Wnope wrote:
How utterly idiotic. Positively deranged.

Let's see what Rand Paul is attacking:

-Increasing sharing information between states so a mental patient can't go across state lines to buy a gun.

- Improving incentives for states to share information.

-Ensuring federal agencies share relevant information.

- Having the Attorney General review laws to make sure they are effective.

While these are good there are still major problems with the order
1. It will establish more problems such as a black market on guns
2. Doesn't apply to handguns which are the most used weapon in homicides
3. Executive orders themselves are extremely tricky to understand
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1/16/2013 9:18:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/16/2013 6:25:49 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/16/2013 6:09:14 PM, Wnope wrote:
How utterly idiotic. Positively deranged.

Let's see what Rand Paul is attacking:

-Increasing sharing information between states so a mental patient can't go across state lines to buy a gun.

- Improving incentives for states to share information.

-Ensuring federal agencies share relevant information.

Obamacare had some good stuff too like letting kids stay on their parents health insurance plan til 26, yet the overall bill is still hellish. You have to serve hell in an appealing hand basket.

Obama turned doctors into police and snitches, he banned guns he doesn't like by banning scary looking guns rather than banning those with unnecessary deadly force, he banned clips carrying 10 rounds, and he is using $500 million dollars of tax payer money that will literally save no lives and will in fact jeopardize many lives.

- Having the Attorney General review laws to make sure they are effective.

The Attorney General is on record saying that he wants to literally "brainwash" people to be anti-gun and is the one who gave thousands of assault weapons to violent Mexican drug cartels who killed hundreds of innocent people.

You're telling me I should trust this guy? Get out.

A. Nothing in Obamacare was an executive order since executive orders are separate from legislation.

B. Nothing of significance in Obamacare could pass as an executive order.

C. He is not creating an executive order to ban ten round clips, that his proposal for legislation.

D. Empowering the Attorney General to review something is the political equivalent of "Let the Attny Gen spout some bullsh!t I won't be held accountable for."

Personally, I blame OBAMA for your misunderstanding, since he made the stupid decision to frame this as some big executive order, and now is facing the consequences of not making clear that his proposal CONTAINS executive orders but is NOT an executive order.
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1/16/2013 9:24:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/16/2013 9:15:24 PM, Cobo wrote:
At 1/16/2013 6:09:14 PM, Wnope wrote:
How utterly idiotic. Positively deranged.

Let's see what Rand Paul is attacking:

-Increasing sharing information between states so a mental patient can't go across state lines to buy a gun.

- Improving incentives for states to share information.

-Ensuring federal agencies share relevant information.

- Having the Attorney General review laws to make sure they are effective.

While these are good there are still major problems with the order
1. It will establish more problems such as a black market on guns
2. Doesn't apply to handguns which are the most used weapon in homicides
3. Executive orders themselves are extremely tricky to understand

Executive Orders are tailored when possible so that they are just harmless enough to stop anyone from gaining standing which they challenge in court. That means any changes you see tend to mostly be to bureacracies already controlled by the executive branch as opposed to the rest of government or private sphere.

What's going to result is a general memo to all agencies controlled by the executive branch to share more, perhaps the enlargement or establishment of a bureacratic procedure which may encumber smaller hospitals with disclosure costs, and at most a low double-digit percentage improvement in stopping the mentally ill from legally obtaining handguns. Perhaps a temporary commission which will issue a report which will be read to an agency head.

However, I do think information sharing is essential if we're going to attempt any kind of regulation, such as stopping the mentally ill from having handguns. The question is how the bureacracies will implement the order.
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1/16/2013 9:25:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/16/2013 9:24:21 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/16/2013 9:15:24 PM, Cobo wrote:
At 1/16/2013 6:09:14 PM, Wnope wrote:
How utterly idiotic. Positively deranged.

Let's see what Rand Paul is attacking:

-Increasing sharing information between states so a mental patient can't go across state lines to buy a gun.

- Improving incentives for states to share information.

-Ensuring federal agencies share relevant information.

- Having the Attorney General review laws to make sure they are effective.

While these are good there are still major problems with the order
1. It will establish more problems such as a black market on guns
2. Doesn't apply to handguns which are the most used weapon in homicides
3. Executive orders themselves are extremely tricky to understand

Executive Orders are tailored when possible so that they are just harmless enough to stop anyone from gaining standing which they challenge in court. That means any changes you see tend to mostly be to bureacracies already controlled by the executive branch as opposed to the rest of government or private sphere.

What's going to result is a general memo to all agencies controlled by the executive branch to share more, perhaps the enlargement or establishment of a bureacratic procedure which may encumber smaller hospitals with disclosure costs, and at most a low double-digit percentage improvement in stopping the mentally ill from legally obtaining handguns. Perhaps a temporary commission which will issue a report which will be read to an agency head.

However, I do think information sharing is essential if we're going to attempt any kind of regulation, such as stopping the mentally ill from having handguns. The question is how the bureacracies will implement the order.

Speaking of which, Rand doesn't have a prayer in court with this PRECISELY because the orders were tailored for a court challenge.
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1/16/2013 9:59:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Rand Paul elaborates:
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat