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1/17/2013 6:21:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
http://www.globalresearch.ca...

"The Military Industrial Intelligence Complex is playing a more and more pervasive role in our lives. In the next few years we"ll be seeing movies that focus on the use of drone technology in police and spy work in the USA. We"ve already been seeing movies that show how spies can violate every aspect of our privacy" of the most intimate parts of our lives. By making movies and TV series that celebrate these cancerous extensions of the police state Hollywood and the big studios are normalizing the ideas they present us with" lying to the public, routinely creating fraudulent stories as covers for what"s really going on.
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Gizmodo reports:
The CIA has a pile of script ideas lying around. http://gizmodo.com...
...
David Walsh notes that the real winner of the 2013 Academy Awards is the CIA:
Zero Dark Thirty, Kathryn Bigelow"s quasi-fascistic glorification of the role played by the CIA in the so-called "war on terror" " was tapped for five awards."
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1/17/2013 6:27:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"Coordination of overt psychological warfare with:
Covert psychological warfare.
Censorship.
Domestic information.[11]"
http://en.wikipedia.org...(United_States)#Central_Intelligence_Agency

Now the establishment is trying to demonize the Founding Fathers (just as Alex Jones told us years ago they would do) in television series.

It couldn't be anymore blatant than the new TV show "We Hate Paul Revere" which depicts him and the rest of the Founders in a bad light.

http://www.bostonglobe.com...
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1/17/2013 6:31:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 6:22:10 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
Video games are worse.

"Spasim led to more detailed combat flight simulators and eventually to a tank simulator, developed for the U.S. army, in the later 1970s."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org...
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1/17/2013 6:39:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"the game had more impact on recruits than all other forms of Army advertising combined."

http://www.csmonitor.com...
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1/17/2013 8:31:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 6:39:38 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
"the game had more impact on recruits than all other forms of Army advertising combined."

http://www.csmonitor.com...

When I clicked on that article, there was an advertisement on the right for a downloadable deer hunding game...pew pew pew!
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1/17/2013 8:36:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 8:31:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/17/2013 6:39:38 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
"the game had more impact on recruits than all other forms of Army advertising combined."

http://www.csmonitor.com...

When I clicked on that article, there was an advertisement on the right for a downloadable deer hunding game...pew pew pew!

Big Buck Hunter is the greatest video game ever!!!
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1/18/2013 1:35:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Of course we'll be seeing movies about drones and privacy issues and such, have you even glanced at the history of film in, say, science fiction?

Films, ESPECIALLY science or technology-related ones, invariably reflect concerns of that era. Just look at the atom bomb in film. It become more prevalent as the bomb become socially more prevalent.

Think of GATTACA and DNA, Matrix/Terminator and artificial intelligence, the original "Thing" (which was actually about nuclear weapons and the soviet threat).

Why focus on the CIA now? Why not during Mission Impossible franchise, Taken 1 and 2, the Bourne franchise, three days of condor, sum of all fears, Good Shepherds, the television show Chuck?
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1/18/2013 11:39:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If we have nothing to hide, we should not worry about preventive tasks performed by law enforcement.

If agents want to review websites we visit or stuff we write online or books we read or our Facebook friends, they should be able to do it as long as we get more security for our families and the entire society.
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1/19/2013 1:10:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 6:22:10 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
Video games are worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org...(video_game)
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1/19/2013 1:15:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/18/2013 11:39:01 PM, Aned wrote:
If we have nothing to hide, we should not worry about preventive tasks performed by law enforcement.

Martin Luther King had nothing to hide.
Gandhi had nothing to hide.
Jesus had nothing to hide.
Nelson Mandella had nothing to hide.
George Washington had nothing to hide.
Socrates had nothing to hide.

Oh wait, the government persecuted them anyways.

If agents want to review websites we visit or stuff we write online or books we read or our Facebook friends, they should be able to do it as long as we get more security for our families and the entire society.

The FBI visited a veterans house and threw him in a psych ward because he criticized Obama.

The government will never do wrong to good people! The Japanese they rounded up and put into internment camps were all guilty!

Get your head out of the sand.
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1/19/2013 1:19:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 1:15:36 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2013 11:39:01 PM, Aned wrote:
If we have nothing to hide, we should not worry about preventive tasks performed by law enforcement.

Martin Luther King had nothing to hide.
Gandhi had nothing to hide.
Jesus had nothing to hide.
Nelson Mandella had nothing to hide.
George Washington had nothing to hide.
Socrates had nothing to hide.

Oh wait, the government persecuted them anyways.

Please elaborate on how the government persecuted George Washington....
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1/19/2013 1:29:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 1:19:08 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/19/2013 1:15:36 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2013 11:39:01 PM, Aned wrote:
If we have nothing to hide, we should not worry about preventive tasks performed by law enforcement.

Martin Luther King had nothing to hide.
Gandhi had nothing to hide.
Jesus had nothing to hide.
Nelson Mandella had nothing to hide.
George Washington had nothing to hide.
Socrates had nothing to hide.

Oh wait, the government persecuted them anyways.

Please elaborate on how the government persecuted George Washington....

think he's referring to the British government.
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1/19/2013 3:18:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 1:15:36 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2013 11:39:01 PM, Aned wrote:
If we have nothing to hide, we should not worry about preventive tasks performed by law enforcement.

Martin Luther King had nothing to hide.

He didn't? That must be why the Kennedys were able to blackmail him into endorsing them after they had surveyed him for two months.

The Rev Dr King was a great man, but he was also a prolific womanizer and adulterer as well as a plagiarizer. I understand we've beatified him, but he was far from perfect, and if any of this had gotten out while he was doing his VERY important work, none of it ever would have happened,.

Gandhi had nothing to hide.
Jesus had nothing to hide.

You can't prove with any certainty that Jesus even existed.

Nelson Mandella had nothing to hide.
George Washington had nothing to hide.

Seriously? You have got to be kidding me here. George Washington would have been a British Officer had he been old enough just before the revolution.

I cannot tell a lie. You have no idea what the f*ck you're talking about.

Socrates had nothing to hide.

Oh wait, the government persecuted them anyways.

They tried it with Daniel Ellsberg as well, and more in the fashion of a modern PR smear. They ultimately failed, but this is because of what a squeaky clean (flukishly so, actually) boy scout he was.

Most people have flaws, and when those flaws are exposed in an effort to discredit people, the damage is immeasurable and it is a barrier to heroes coming to the forefront.

King was persecuted because King wanted to be persecuted. Sympathy was part of his strategy to integrate. In Ghandi's case, it was necessary for him to be persecuted for his strategy to work as well.

Now imagine if we had found that he engaged in auto-erotic asphyxiation while view cow on man porn.

Does it make anything he accomplished less impressive? If it got out while he was trying to do it, would it have been possible for him to even think about doing any of it? (no, as far as I know, this wasn't the case, but people have freaky fetishes, and it has nothing to do with their greatness in any other aspect of life. I personally respect Dr. King even more BECAUSE of his flaws, because I know that he would note that only God is perfect, and it is what you do with all of your life, not just those moments of weakness which are the true measure of a man)


If agents want to review websites we visit or stuff we write online or books we read or our Facebook friends, they should be able to do it as long as we get more security for our families and the entire society.

The FBI visited a veterans house and threw him in a psych ward because he criticized Obama.

The government will never do wrong to good people! The Japanese they rounded up and put into internment camps were all guilty!

Get your head out of the sand.

And so, don't make it even easier. If they also have a fake rape charge, for instance, like they did with Assange (the condom broke and the girl kinda hinted that they should grab and other one, and while she was doing so, he was just about to drop his load....NOT rape, but it took away from what should have been public outrage and a fight against the government for his release and fair treatment, since we are so obliviously driving all of that. Julian Assange IS NOT guilty of treason, because he is not a US citizen, and has never been a US citizen, and so by definition it is impossible for him to commit that crime, but I bet you think he is guilty of it, huh, because any media coverage which would have set you straight was dedicated to him "raping" those women...which they both now admit he never did, and he has no money left to pay them off, so they must be telling the truth.

This sh!t matters, because it allows the government to shock and awe people through the media to believe that their destruction of the people's civil rights that you have touched upon is perfectly groovie
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1/19/2013 3:55:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 3:18:38 AM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 1/19/2013 1:15:36 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2013 11:39:01 PM, Aned wrote:
If we have nothing to hide, we should not worry about preventive tasks performed by law enforcement.

Martin Luther King had nothing to hide.

He didn't? That must be why the Kennedys were able to blackmail him into endorsing them after they had surveyed him for two months.

Irrelevant.

The Rev Dr King was a great man, but he was also a prolific womanizer and adulterer as well as a plagiarizer.

Already knew that. Still not relevant.

I understand we've beatified him, but he was far from perfect, and if any of this had gotten out while he was doing his VERY important work, none of it ever would have happened,.

Missing the point.

The point is that black people in the civil rights era who broke the Jim Crow laws were acting morally. You're sitting on the front of the bus, what do you have to hide? Yeah, well, the government said you that sitting on the front of the bus is illegal.

Gandhi had nothing to hide.
Jesus had nothing to hide.

You can't prove with any certainty that Jesus even existed.

*Facepalm*

I'm not even a Christian, but yes Jesus existed. I've debated Jesus' historicity: http://www.debate.org...

But you're missing the point. Jesus, existent or not, was persecuted and executed by the government despite being a man of the highest morals of the time.

Nelson Mandella had nothing to hide.
George Washington had nothing to hide.

Seriously? You have got to be kidding me here. George Washington would have been a British Officer had he been old enough just before the revolution.

Rubbish.

I cannot tell a lie. You have no idea what the f*ck you're talking about.

Socrates had nothing to hide.

Oh wait, the government persecuted them anyways.

They tried it with Daniel Ellsberg as well, and more in the fashion of a modern PR smear. They ultimately failed, but this is because of what a squeaky clean (flukishly so, actually) boy scout he was.

Most people have flaws, and when those flaws are exposed in an effort to discredit people, the damage is immeasurable and it is a barrier to heroes coming to the forefront.

King was persecuted because King wanted to be persecuted. Sympathy was part of his strategy to integrate. In Ghandi's case, it was necessary for him to be persecuted for his strategy to work as well.

Now imagine if we had found that he engaged in auto-erotic asphyxiation while view cow on man porn.

Imagine? Well, it would be completely within his right.

You are missing the point of the whole thing. When I say they've got nothing to hide, I'm not talking about a dildo under the bed. I talking about hiding violent crimes, real criminal acts.

I'm saying that the government persecutes good people who have not committed a criminal offense, but rather committed the horrific offense of thinking for themselves. Again, see Socrates.

Does it make anything he accomplished less impressive? If it got out while he was trying to do it, would it have been possible for him to even think about doing any of it? (no, as far as I know, this wasn't the case, but people have freaky fetishes, and it has nothing to do with their greatness in any other aspect of life. I personally respect Dr. King even more BECAUSE of his flaws, because I know that he would note that only God is perfect, and it is what you do with all of your life, not just those moments of weakness which are the true measure of a man)


If agents want to review websites we visit or stuff we write online or books we read or our Facebook friends, they should be able to do it as long as we get more security for our families and the entire society.

The FBI visited a veterans house and threw him in a psych ward because he criticized Obama.

The government will never do wrong to good people! The Japanese they rounded up and put into internment camps were all guilty!

Get your head out of the sand.

And so, don't make it even easier. If they also have a fake rape charge, for instance, like they did with Assange (the condom broke and the girl kinda hinted that they should grab and other one, and while she was doing so, he was just about to drop his load....NOT rape, but it took away from what should have been public outrage and a fight against the government for his release and fair treatment, since we are so obliviously driving all of that. Julian Assange IS NOT guilty of treason, because he is not a US citizen, and has never been a US citizen, and so by definition it is impossible for him to commit that crime, but I bet you think he is guilty of it, huh, because any media coverage which would have set you straight was dedicated to him "raping" those women...which they both now admit he never did, and he has no money left to pay them off, so they must be telling the truth.

Why would you think that I agree with the mainstream media's smear of conspiracy icon Julian Assange? Boy are you lost.
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1/19/2013 4:40:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 3:55:37 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:


Why would you think that I agree with the mainstream media's smear of conspiracy icon Julian Assange? Boy are you lost.

I suppose I based it on other opinions you hold, and most who hold those opinions are anti-Assange.

I'm glad you and I agree in this instance. But, how does the Kennedy-gate (appropriate because it was like the EXACT same thing as Watergate...but without crazy nixon running around in his underoos, spelling redrum on his bathroom mirror with his own feces) not directly correlate.

They were assigned security personnel from the Federal Government who they used to do the spying and then they blackmailed him into endorsing them, which was probably difference maker in the election after the debates being televised, thus contrasting sweaty Nixon with dreamy Jack.

Nixon should have won that election, and despite showing signs of corruption already with the whole Checkers speech, he would have been a vastly different president than '68 Nixon was, he likely wouldn't have gone ape-sh!t nuts like he did, and he was ridiculously better as a president than Kennedy was, which would have kept the pretty boy alive, but out of the White House where he never belonged in the 1st place (though, I would have liked to see Bobby in there, he was the shiznizzle).

In this case, surveillance carried out by government agents and used to blackmail a prominent leader of a full 15% demographic in the country at the time, may have completely changed the course of the country at the time.

How is this not exactly what all of this surveillance in our culture will lead to today.

Sub in a Latino leader for a black one, but regardless, no one is gonna know it happened, because you don't always know that Big Brother is watching you, as was the case for Winston in O'Brien's office when O'Brien turned the monitor off, but you knowing or not knowing doesn't matter.

He is.
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1/19/2013 9:31:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 6:21:22 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
http://www.globalresearch.ca...

"The Military Industrial Intelligence Complex is playing a more and more pervasive role in our lives. In the next few years we"ll be seeing movies that focus on the use of drone technology in police and spy work in the USA. We"ve already been seeing movies that show how spies can violate every aspect of our privacy" of the most intimate parts of our lives. By making movies and TV series that celebrate these cancerous extensions of the police state Hollywood and the big studios are normalizing the ideas they present us with" lying to the public, routinely creating fraudulent stories as covers for what"s really going on.
...
Gizmodo reports:
The CIA has a pile of script ideas lying around. http://gizmodo.com...
...
David Walsh notes that the real winner of the 2013 Academy Awards is the CIA:
Zero Dark Thirty, Kathryn Bigelow"s quasi-fascistic glorification of the role played by the CIA in the so-called "war on terror" " was tapped for five awards."

Ok, I'm beginning to see what the supposed argument behind the military industrial complex (MIC) being an unholy entity is.

Just keep in mind that whenever you make a statement about the MIC taking over Washington decision-making, you need to actually be able to substantiate such a claim. I can name Dick Cheney, and yes, that's quite a bit of substantiation. However, Dick Cheney was an anomaly in many, many ways, and even a dunce like Bush shut him down during his second term. Also keep in mind that Cheney, the former CEO of Halliburton, WAS ELECTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE. Even if the MIC is seen as a controversial entity, a representative of it nevertheless passed popular muster during a time of unparalleled peace (2000, not post 9/11). This was not some clandestine, behind the scenes take-down of Washington decision-making. It was popular, public, and received widespread support.

Also, the quote from your first source is an unnamed blogger from Canada. That could be a statement that only an entity outside the US can be seen as objective...or it could be a statement that has zero legitimacy in regards to the topic.

Regarding Zero-Dark-Thirty, yes, I agree that it condones torture, and I think that's a great debating topic. However, it does not condone DOMESTIC torture, which is what I understand to be the subject of this thread. There is a big difference there. We have to go through a LOT in order to label a US citizen as a valid target for military and/or CIA action.

I also agree that Zero-Dark-Thirty is not award-winning material. It was quite boring, IMHO. Hurt Locker was much better, although the scenes in that movie with Renner running around in Iraqi streets had me cringe.

Regardless, the CIA is largely responsible for taking down bin Ladin. They deserve credit where credit is due.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/19/2013 9:33:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 8:36:27 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 1/17/2013 8:31:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/17/2013 6:39:38 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
"the game had more impact on recruits than all other forms of Army advertising combined."

http://www.csmonitor.com...

When I clicked on that article, there was an advertisement on the right for a downloadable deer hunding game...pew pew pew!

Big Buck Hunter is the greatest video game ever!!!

This has the making of a great porn video. O_o
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/19/2013 9:33:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/18/2013 1:35:21 AM, Wnope wrote:
Of course we'll be seeing movies about drones and privacy issues and such, have you even glanced at the history of film in, say, science fiction?

Films, ESPECIALLY science or technology-related ones, invariably reflect concerns of that era. Just look at the atom bomb in film. It become more prevalent as the bomb become socially more prevalent.

Think of GATTACA and DNA, Matrix/Terminator and artificial intelligence, the original "Thing" (which was actually about nuclear weapons and the soviet threat).

Why focus on the CIA now? Why not during Mission Impossible franchise, Taken 1 and 2, the Bourne franchise, three days of condor, sum of all fears, Good Shepherds, the television show Chuck?

^
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/19/2013 10:41:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
There is documented evidence of the CIA putting pressure on studios to change certain film endings (e.g. Animal Farm during the Cold War), but we also have to recognize there is a demand for conflict that speaks to current concerns. That means films which inevitably, inadvertently or not, normalize the status quo simply by not commenting.