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1/19/2013 9:00:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
http://www.bloomberg.com...

New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who was very public about his support of Obama's handling of Hurricane Sandy (wow what a name coincidence), is now very public about slamming one of the Republican Party's most public constituents - the NRA - in their handling of an ad depicting Obama's daughters as privileged, protected children in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Is Gov. Christie preparing to become a Democrat?
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
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1/19/2013 9:30:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Absolutely not. Christie is not even socially liberal (opposes abortion, gay rights, etc.) which is very rare for a New Jersey Democrat. He's bashing the Republicans because it's the popular thing to do. The Republican strategy going forward is to revamp the party's image. He's taking on the "I'm- above- Washington- politics" approach which is monotonous and has been done many times before for popularity. He's distancing himself from an increasingly unpopular party in order to appeal to moderate candidates. Of course, this won't play out well in the deep-South and with very right-wing conservatives should his career propel him to the national stage - say in a 2016 Presidential run - but that's where his social conservativeness comes into play. It should also be noted that he is a huge - pun intended - hypocrite in endorsing the Hurricane Sandy bill which was loaded with pork considering he claims to be such a fiscal conservative. Of course, all of the other so-called fiscal hawks who benefited from the bill, particularly those in Gulf states like Louisiana and Alabama, etc., also supported the bill because their state got money despite it being such a massive waste of taxpayer money (billions). In short, politics is politics: nothing by LYING HYPOCRITES on both sides of the aisle.
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1/19/2013 9:51:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 9:30:05 AM, Danielle wrote:
Absolutely not. Christie is not even socially liberal (opposes abortion, gay rights, etc.) which is very rare for a New Jersey Democrat. He's bashing the Republicans because it's the popular thing to do. The Republican strategy going forward is to revamp the party's image. He's taking on the "I'm- above- Washington- politics" approach which is monotonous and has been done many times before for popularity. He's distancing himself from an increasingly unpopular party in order to appeal to moderate candidates. Of course, this won't play out well in the deep-South and with very right-wing conservatives should his career propel him to the national stage - say in a 2016 Presidential run - but that's where his social conservativeness comes into play. It should also be noted that he is a huge - pun intended - hypocrite in endorsing the Hurricane Sandy bill which was loaded with pork considering he claims to be such a fiscal conservative. Of course, all of the other so-called fiscal hawks who benefited from the bill, particularly those in Gulf states like Louisiana and Alabama, etc., also supported the bill because their state got money despite it being such a massive waste of taxpayer money (billions). In short, politics is politics: nothing by LYING HYPOCRITES on both sides of the aisle.

I largely agree with your statement (although I'm not a fan of calling a politician a blatant hypocrite).

Regarding the bold, I really think the Republican party is about to sign its own death warrant.

Regarding a 2016 bid for POTUS, I really don't see it being possible. I mean, there's a LOT to see, yes (pun intended too, lol), and to me that's the problem. I don't want to elect someone into the White House that might get a heart attack on Air Force One.
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If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/19/2013 10:38:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 9:51:04 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:30:05 AM, Danielle wrote:
Absolutely not. Christie is not even socially liberal (opposes abortion, gay rights, etc.) which is very rare for a New Jersey Democrat. He's bashing the Republicans because it's the popular thing to do. The Republican strategy going forward is to revamp the party's image. He's taking on the "I'm- above- Washington- politics" approach which is monotonous and has been done many times before for popularity. He's distancing himself from an increasingly unpopular party in order to appeal to moderate candidates. Of course, this won't play out well in the deep-South and with very right-wing conservatives should his career propel him to the national stage - say in a 2016 Presidential run - but that's where his social conservativeness comes into play. It should also be noted that he is a huge - pun intended - hypocrite in endorsing the Hurricane Sandy bill which was loaded with pork considering he claims to be such a fiscal conservative. Of course, all of the other so-called fiscal hawks who benefited from the bill, particularly those in Gulf states like Louisiana and Alabama, etc., also supported the bill because their state got money despite it being such a massive waste of taxpayer money (billions). In short, politics is politics: nothing by LYING HYPOCRITES on both sides of the aisle.

I largely agree with your statement (although I'm not a fan of calling a politician a blatant hypocrite).

Regarding the bold, I really think the Republican party is about to sign its own death warrant.

Regarding a 2016 bid for POTUS, I really don't see it being possible. I mean, there's a LOT to see, yes (pun intended too, lol), and to me that's the problem. I don't want to elect someone into the White House that might get a heart attack on Air Force One.

Like McCain?
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1/19/2013 10:51:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 10:38:05 AM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:51:04 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:30:05 AM, Danielle wrote:
Absolutely not. Christie is not even socially liberal (opposes abortion, gay rights, etc.) which is very rare for a New Jersey Democrat. He's bashing the Republicans because it's the popular thing to do. The Republican strategy going forward is to revamp the party's image. He's taking on the "I'm- above- Washington- politics" approach which is monotonous and has been done many times before for popularity. He's distancing himself from an increasingly unpopular party in order to appeal to moderate candidates. Of course, this won't play out well in the deep-South and with very right-wing conservatives should his career propel him to the national stage - say in a 2016 Presidential run - but that's where his social conservativeness comes into play. It should also be noted that he is a huge - pun intended - hypocrite in endorsing the Hurricane Sandy bill which was loaded with pork considering he claims to be such a fiscal conservative. Of course, all of the other so-called fiscal hawks who benefited from the bill, particularly those in Gulf states like Louisiana and Alabama, etc., also supported the bill because their state got money despite it being such a massive waste of taxpayer money (billions). In short, politics is politics: nothing by LYING HYPOCRITES on both sides of the aisle.

I largely agree with your statement (although I'm not a fan of calling a politician a blatant hypocrite).

Regarding the bold, I really think the Republican party is about to sign its own death warrant.

Regarding a 2016 bid for POTUS, I really don't see it being possible. I mean, there's a LOT to see, yes (pun intended too, lol), and to me that's the problem. I don't want to elect someone into the White House that might get a heart attack on Air Force One.

Like McCain?

Sure McCain's age was an issue, but not his health. Found this on wikipedia:

http://www.nytimes.com...;

"Doctors Say McCain Is in Robust Health and Free of Cancer"
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/19/2013 11:00:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Ya we aren't going to have a fat president. The job isn't about qualifications or know how, it's about presentation and rhetoric. Not that Christie would be any good to begin with.
Here's a list of fattest presidents by BMI
"according to the antiquated BMI. Taft (42.3 on the BMI), Cleveland (34.6), McKinley (31.1), Taylor (30.2), and Teddy Roosevelt (30.2). Bill Clinton was overweight with a BMI of 28.3."
http://www.forbes.com...
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1/19/2013 11:03:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
As for crossing over I'd agree he's simply a pandering moderate who won't get the GOP nomination. He will, however, get winded walking a single flight of stairs.
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1/19/2013 11:05:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 10:38:05 AM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:51:04 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:30:05 AM, Danielle wrote:
Absolutely not. Christie is not even socially liberal (opposes abortion, gay rights, etc.) which is very rare for a New Jersey Democrat. He's bashing the Republicans because it's the popular thing to do. The Republican strategy going forward is to revamp the party's image. He's taking on the "I'm- above- Washington- politics" approach which is monotonous and has been done many times before for popularity. He's distancing himself from an increasingly unpopular party in order to appeal to moderate candidates. Of course, this won't play out well in the deep-South and with very right-wing conservatives should his career propel him to the national stage - say in a 2016 Presidential run - but that's where his social conservativeness comes into play. It should also be noted that he is a huge - pun intended - hypocrite in endorsing the Hurricane Sandy bill which was loaded with pork considering he claims to be such a fiscal conservative. Of course, all of the other so-called fiscal hawks who benefited from the bill, particularly those in Gulf states like Louisiana and Alabama, etc., also supported the bill because their state got money despite it being such a massive waste of taxpayer money (billions). In short, politics is politics: nothing by LYING HYPOCRITES on both sides of the aisle.

I largely agree with your statement (although I'm not a fan of calling a politician a blatant hypocrite).

Regarding the bold, I really think the Republican party is about to sign its own death warrant.

Regarding a 2016 bid for POTUS, I really don't see it being possible. I mean, there's a LOT to see, yes (pun intended too, lol), and to me that's the problem. I don't want to elect someone into the White House that might get a heart attack on Air Force One.

Like McCain?

Very interesting topic and points so far.

On the "politicians are (all?) hypocrites" issue two points:

1.) In a representative democracy anyone who runs for office is a politician. Without politicians how do we have a representative democracy? [Direct democracy is a possibility. If people really wanted it, what is stopping us from doing it?]

2.) Just a friendly question, and I'm open to a myriad of responses: how many of the folks who call (nearly) every politician a hypocrite have ever actually worked closely with even one (yes, 1) politician?

I've worked the last 15 years or so for public interest environmental and social justice nonprofits, doing political work--working with politicians. Some of them are hypocrites (are we sure that's a noun? I may have committed a hypocritical act or two in my life...).

Most of the politicians I've worked with, especially on the local level, are pubic servants who take a lot of abuse for very little material benefit.

This is not an apology for politicians in general. There are plenty that seem to be so hypocritical that I wonder how they keep their jobs. (I've gone beyond wondering how they sleep at night. One needs a conscience to feel guilty.)

A bit more relevantly
, on the Christie issue: the comments above are on point. He is a smart politician. On a national level he can be more nuanced on the social issues. If he doesn't scare the crap out of people the way the TEA Party and other extreme right wingers have for the last 4 years, he can get away with a lot.

And, no, I don't think he's trying to be a Democrat. As Danielle points out he would be way out of mainstream as a D, especially in New Jersey, but also especially for a Democratic primary for president.
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1/19/2013 11:26:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Obviously not every politician is a pandering hypocrite, but majority of the big names and powerful washington elites are. As that's probably part of how they got where they are.
I don't think anyone is talking about local politicians.
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1/19/2013 2:17:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 11:05:58 AM, proglib wrote:


A bit more relevantly
, on the Christie issue: the comments above are on point. He is a smart politician. On a national level he can be more nuanced on the social issues. If he doesn't scare the crap out of people the way the TEA Party and other extreme right wingers have for the last 4 years, he can get away with a lot.

And, no, I don't think he's trying to be a Democrat. As Danielle points out he would be way out of mainstream as a D, especially in New Jersey, but also especially for a Democratic primary for president.

Hmmm...so New Jersey is like Massachusetts - a Republican in states like this would probably be considered a liberal Democrat in the South.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/19/2013 2:28:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 11:00:37 AM, lewis20 wrote:
Ya we aren't going to have a fat president. The job isn't about qualifications or know how, it's about presentation and rhetoric. Not that Christie would be any good to begin with.
Here's a list of fattest presidents by BMI
"according to the antiquated BMI. Taft (42.3 on the BMI), Cleveland (34.6), McKinley (31.1), Taylor (30.2), and Teddy Roosevelt (30.2). Bill Clinton was overweight with a BMI of 28.3."
http://www.forbes.com...

This article was linked to the one you presented:

http://www.theatlantic.com...

Christie apparently got condemned by the GOP for these four points:

1. Compromise is core to politics
2. American exceptionalism isn't a natural state of being or an inheritance -- it is something to which we aspire
3. Americans should care what foreigners think of us
4. Americans cannot remake the world in our image through force

It is negative reactions against what generally defines a job as a politician that make me have serious doubts about the continuing viability of the GOP as a serious platform.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/19/2013 2:51:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 9:51:04 AM, wrichcirw wrote:


Regarding the bold, I really think the Republican party is about to sign its own death warrant.

doubtful. they are the only viable alternative, and after Obama's second term, people will be looking anywhere for an alternative.

I couldn't even convince people in my state (which hasn't gone GOP since Reagan when EVERYONE did) to vote for Jill Stein despite agreeing with her and knowing Obama had no chance of losing ("I'm not throwing away my vote.").

Watch for a heavily lipsticked pig in 2016 (Jed Bush...)

Regarding a 2016 bid for POTUS, I really don't see it being possible. I mean, there's a LOT to see, yes (pun intended too, lol), and to me that's the problem. I don't want to elect someone into the White House that might get a heart attack on Air Force One.

As opposed to Palin who would have filmed porn on it (bom chicka wow wow)
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1/19/2013 2:51:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 9:00:27 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com...

New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who was very public about his support of Obama's handling of Hurricane Sandy (wow what a name coincidence), is now very public about slamming one of the Republican Party's most public constituents - the NRA - in their handling of an ad depicting Obama's daughters as privileged, protected children in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Is Gov. Christie preparing to become a Democrat?

Are you telling me Republicans aren't allowed to slam the NRA? I can't publically slam those @ssholes unless I become a democrat?

Crap, did I miss a memo or something?
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1/19/2013 3:07:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 2:51:04 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:51:04 AM, wrichcirw wrote:


Regarding the bold, I really think the Republican party is about to sign its own death warrant.

doubtful. they are the only viable alternative, and after Obama's second term, people will be looking anywhere for an alternative.

When the only viable alternative is to elect someone like Bush or Palin into office, you being to wish for a tyranny.

Really though, Obama's a pretty good conservative. He's extended the Bush tax cuts, expanded the Middle Eastern theater into places like Libya, and bailed out corporate America in a fashion that would make even the most staunch pro-business politician blanch.

http://www.republicansforobama.org...
http://www.slate.com...

Watch for a heavily lipsticked pig in 2016 (Jed Bush...)

I think it's going to be Romney again. I think Hillary will beat him, for the same reason that Obama beat him (yes, sexist and racist, call it whatever you want). Romney's a great politician in my opinion, and he should have been on McCain's ticket instead of Palin. That the GOP denounced Romney because of his religion that year pretty much turned me off big time to the Republican Party.

As opposed to Palin who would have filmed porn on it (bom chicka wow wow)

Palin is conservative porn. Ron Paul runs a nudist colony in Texas.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/19/2013 3:09:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 2:51:41 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:00:27 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com...

New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who was very public about his support of Obama's handling of Hurricane Sandy (wow what a name coincidence), is now very public about slamming one of the Republican Party's most public constituents - the NRA - in their handling of an ad depicting Obama's daughters as privileged, protected children in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Is Gov. Christie preparing to become a Democrat?

Are you telling me Republicans aren't allowed to slam the NRA? I can't publically slam those @ssholes unless I become a democrat?

Crap, did I miss a memo or something?

Yes you did. Notice you're not running for office via GOP ticket. :)

The NRA's a big backer of the GOP. Supporting the NRA = $$$ for your campaign. It's pretty up there with the whole Grover Norquist taxes thing.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
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1/19/2013 4:10:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 3:09:49 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/19/2013 2:51:41 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:00:27 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com...

New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who was very public about his support of Obama's handling of Hurricane Sandy (wow what a name coincidence), is now very public about slamming one of the Republican Party's most public constituents - the NRA - in their handling of an ad depicting Obama's daughters as privileged, protected children in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Is Gov. Christie preparing to become a Democrat?

Are you telling me Republicans aren't allowed to slam the NRA? I can't publically slam those @ssholes unless I become a democrat?

Crap, did I miss a memo or something?

Yes you did. Notice you're not running for office via GOP ticket. :)

The NRA's a big backer of the GOP. Supporting the NRA = $$$ for your campaign. It's pretty up there with the whole Grover Norquist taxes thing.

OK, so who is actually in charge of what Republican's can think and do?

Would that be you?
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1/19/2013 4:14:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 4:10:58 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/19/2013 3:09:49 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/19/2013 2:51:41 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:00:27 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com...

New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who was very public about his support of Obama's handling of Hurricane Sandy (wow what a name coincidence), is now very public about slamming one of the Republican Party's most public constituents - the NRA - in their handling of an ad depicting Obama's daughters as privileged, protected children in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Is Gov. Christie preparing to become a Democrat?

Are you telling me Republicans aren't allowed to slam the NRA? I can't publically slam those @ssholes unless I become a democrat?

Crap, did I miss a memo or something?

Yes you did. Notice you're not running for office via GOP ticket. :)

The NRA's a big backer of the GOP. Supporting the NRA = $$$ for your campaign. It's pretty up there with the whole Grover Norquist taxes thing.

OK, so who is actually in charge of what Republican's can think and do?

Would that be you?

No, it's money.
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1/19/2013 4:49:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Anyone actually know how much the NRA contributes to republican campaigns? Its much less than the Israel lobby or the bank lobby or most any other lobby group.
They act like the only ones opposing gun legislation are the NRA and special interests looking to profit. In reality its millions of Americans who much prefer keeping their guns.
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1/19/2013 5:04:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 4:49:24 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Anyone actually know how much the NRA contributes to republican campaigns? Its much less than the Israel lobby or the bank lobby or most any other lobby group.
They act like the only ones opposing gun legislation are the NRA and special interests looking to profit. In reality its millions of Americans who much prefer keeping their guns.

In truth, the NRAs power comes from the ability to deliver a solid voting block.

Single-issue groups are more important politically because unlike most people there is a single issue which can flip them from Democrat to Republican. Thus groups representing single issue votes have disproportionate political power.
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1/19/2013 7:03:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 4:10:58 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/19/2013 3:09:49 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/19/2013 2:51:41 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:00:27 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com...

New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who was very public about his support of Obama's handling of Hurricane Sandy (wow what a name coincidence), is now very public about slamming one of the Republican Party's most public constituents - the NRA - in their handling of an ad depicting Obama's daughters as privileged, protected children in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Is Gov. Christie preparing to become a Democrat?

Are you telling me Republicans aren't allowed to slam the NRA? I can't publically slam those @ssholes unless I become a democrat?

Crap, did I miss a memo or something?

Yes you did. Notice you're not running for office via GOP ticket. :)

The NRA's a big backer of the GOP. Supporting the NRA = $$$ for your campaign. It's pretty up there with the whole Grover Norquist taxes thing.

OK, so who is actually in charge of what Republican's can think and do?

Would that be you?

Less sarcasm, more substance.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/19/2013 7:25:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 4:10:58 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/19/2013 3:09:49 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/19/2013 2:51:41 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:00:27 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com...

New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who was very public about his support of Obama's handling of Hurricane Sandy (wow what a name coincidence), is now very public about slamming one of the Republican Party's most public constituents - the NRA - in their handling of an ad depicting Obama's daughters as privileged, protected children in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Is Gov. Christie preparing to become a Democrat?

Are you telling me Republicans aren't allowed to slam the NRA? I can't publically slam those @ssholes unless I become a democrat?

Crap, did I miss a memo or something?

Yes you did. Notice you're not running for office via GOP ticket. :)

The NRA's a big backer of the GOP. Supporting the NRA = $$$ for your campaign. It's pretty up there with the whole Grover Norquist taxes thing.

OK, so who is actually in charge of what Republican's can think and do?

Would that be you?

Jumping back "pre-sarcasm":

I'm relieved, though not at all surprised that there are Republicans slamming the NRA. I come from a LARGE Catholic family with lots of Republicans--under the right circumstance I could have been one in the past. They are seriously pi**ed at the NRA for the stupidity it has shown in the current debate on assault weapons.*

Not a one of 'em (my siblings) would let the 2nd Amendment be messed with that I know of.

America is partly having a debate over the 2nd Amendment because folks like the NRA are insisting it is. Did someone say "follow the money?" (Woodward and Bernstein:)

* As far as I can tell that is what is seriously on the table other than what my TEA Party brother calls "common sense strengthening the laws we already have." He is one of the few in the family, though, who thinks the discussion is about the 2nd Amendment.
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1/19/2013 8:32:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 7:25:16 PM, proglib wrote:
At 1/19/2013 4:10:58 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/19/2013 3:09:49 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/19/2013 2:51:41 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/19/2013 9:00:27 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com...

New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who was very public about his support of Obama's handling of Hurricane Sandy (wow what a name coincidence), is now very public about slamming one of the Republican Party's most public constituents - the NRA - in their handling of an ad depicting Obama's daughters as privileged, protected children in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Is Gov. Christie preparing to become a Democrat?

Are you telling me Republicans aren't allowed to slam the NRA? I can't publically slam those @ssholes unless I become a democrat?

Crap, did I miss a memo or something?

Yes you did. Notice you're not running for office via GOP ticket. :)

The NRA's a big backer of the GOP. Supporting the NRA = $$$ for your campaign. It's pretty up there with the whole Grover Norquist taxes thing.

OK, so who is actually in charge of what Republican's can think and do?

Would that be you?

Jumping back "pre-sarcasm":

I'm relieved, though not at all surprised that there are Republicans slamming the NRA. I come from a LARGE Catholic family with lots of Republicans--under the right circumstance I could have been one in the past. They are seriously pi**ed at the NRA for the stupidity it has shown in the current debate on assault weapons.*

Not a one of 'em (my siblings) would let the 2nd Amendment be messed with that I know of.

America is partly having a debate over the 2nd Amendment because folks like the NRA are insisting it is. Did someone say "follow the money?" (Woodward and Bernstein:)

* As far as I can tell that is what is seriously on the table other than what my TEA Party brother calls "common sense strengthening the laws we already have." He is one of the few in the family, though, who thinks the discussion is about the 2nd Amendment.

I'm a Republican and anti-gun, believe the 2nd amendment only guaranteed a militia and was not intended to apply to individual rights, it is obsolete today and should be repealed.

I do however support the right to arm bears.
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1/19/2013 8:43:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The 2nd amendment would be for a well regulated militia if we didn't have a massive standing professional army. We are supposed to be like the swiss, who all own actual assault rifles, have very low crime and haven't been to war in a long time.
The swiss people actually own rockets, mortars etc.
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1/19/2013 8:53:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 9:00:27 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com...

New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who was very public about his support of Obama's handling of Hurricane Sandy (wow what a name coincidence), is now very public about slamming one of the Republican Party's most public constituents - the NRA - in their handling of an ad depicting Obama's daughters as privileged, protected children in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Is Gov. Christie preparing to become a Democrat?

He's trying to restore sanity and pragmatism to the GOP. He's fed up that relief aid was blockaded by the obstinate brigade of "fiscally conservative" loons that make up a bulk of the GOP -like Rubio (bloody hypocrite). He's irritated by the NRA's nearly certifiably insane leadership's incessant b!tching and moaning about the hypothetical loss of an invented 'right' brought about by a bastardized interpretation of the 2nd amendment. If the GOP continues down the tea bagging path, I'm sure he won't be the only one. We forget that this has happened before. Parties are finite, and it likely will come to be again that the GOP is rightly the party out of power unless the Chris Christies of the party stop the implosion.
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1/19/2013 8:57:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 9:30:05 AM, Danielle wrote:
Absolutely not. Christie is not even socially liberal (opposes abortion, gay rights, etc.) which is very rare for a New Jersey Democrat. He's bashing the Republicans because it's the popular thing to do. The Republican strategy going forward is to revamp* the party's image.

*purify... not revamp.

He's taking on the "I'm- above- Washington- politics" approach which is monotonous and has been done many times before for popularity. He's distancing himself from an increasingly unpopular party in order to appeal to moderate candidates. Of course, this won't play out well in the deep-South and with very right-wing conservatives should his career propel him to the national stage - say in a 2016 Presidential run - but that's where his social conservativeness comes into play.

The South is becoming less and less relevant, and will only continue to become more so if present trends continue.

In short, politics is politics: nothing by LYING HYPOCRITES on both sides of the aisle.

C'est la politique.
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1/20/2013 12:06:35 AM
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No he's just being honest and standing by his convictions.
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1/20/2013 6:16:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/19/2013 8:43:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
The 2nd amendment would be for a well regulated militia if we didn't have a massive standing professional army.

Well, except it was also meant to keep the Federal Government and it's army in check, but the way military weapons have developed make that consideration purely symbolic now. If you take a look at any state militia today all you see is lunatics with guns and beer, not a particularly good combination.

We are supposed to be like the swiss, who all own actual assault rifles, have very low crime and haven't been to war in a long time.
The swiss people actually own rockets, mortars etc.

Perhaps, but we aren't anything like the Swiss, they are calm, relaxed, neutral, united in diversity, they have largely internalized the maxim of their Saint Nicholas of Flue, "Don't get involved in other people's affairs", if they feel stressed they go skiing.

The US is polarized around every issue, especially non-issues, we are angst ridden, excessively dramatic, seething and explosive, a violent tragedy is just looking for a place to happen everywhere you look. Just as rednecks, guns, and beer aren't a good mix, Americans and guns just don't go together.

The statistics tell the story, we don't have most of the guns, just most of the gun violence, suicide and unintentional gun deaths are statistically through the roof compared to other developed countries. I assume working in the Swiss post office begets the term "going skiing" or maybe "go make chocolate", but in America working at the post office begets the term "going postal", apparently routine and boredom is even a reason for an American to go on a shooting spree.

In context, a symbolic appeal to our Constitutional right to a "well regulated" militia is simply inane, there is nothing well regulated about the way guns are used in this country.
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1/20/2013 12:08:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/20/2013 12:06:35 AM, Frederick53 wrote:
No he's just being honest and standing by his convictions.

What if his convictions are diametrically opposed to those held by his own party?
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/20/2013 12:23:48 PM
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We absolutely have the most guns in the world and drunk rednecks aren't the ones shooting up schools, theaters or gangbanging up in Chicago. Most gun deaths are suicides, that's the price of prozac and perpetual warfare, not the fault of confederate flags and Pabst blue ribbon.
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1/20/2013 12:27:19 PM
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@gun control people

Argg.... Stop using pragmatism to something that is supposed to be inherent.
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