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GeoLaureate8
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2/10/2013 2:01:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
The foreigners who own Ron Paul.com are trying to extort money from Ron Paul and use his trademarked name for profits. Now they're trying to sell Ron Paul the domain for $250,000.00.
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2/10/2013 2:33:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
first they wanted 800,000. honestly their demands are so unreasonable.... but it's their property they should be able to charge whatever they want for it.
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2/10/2013 2:36:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 2:33:34 AM, ZakYoungTheLibertarian wrote:
first they wanted 800,000. honestly their demands are so unreasonable.... but it's their property they should be able to charge whatever they want for it.

But Ron Paul trademarked his name "Ron Paul" long before that site had the domain from what I understand. I think that the site owners have the domain illegitimately.
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2/10/2013 2:54:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Austrians don't believe in intellectual property although, to be fair, I've never heard him take a stance against intellectual property.
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2/10/2013 5:11:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 2:36:46 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 2/10/2013 2:33:34 AM, ZakYoungTheLibertarian wrote:
first they wanted 800,000. honestly their demands are so unreasonable.... but it's their property they should be able to charge whatever they want for it.

But Ron Paul trademarked his name "Ron Paul" long before that site had the domain from what I understand. I think that the site owners have the domain illegitimately.

"Trademark" is nonsense, and it is not recognized in Australia. You cannot own a name or an idea.
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2/10/2013 7:34:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 2:36:46 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 2/10/2013 2:33:34 AM, ZakYoungTheLibertarian wrote:
first they wanted 800,000. honestly their demands are so unreasonable.... but it's their property they should be able to charge whatever they want for it.

But Ron Paul trademarked his name "Ron Paul" long before that site had the domain from what I understand. I think that the site owners have the domain illegitimately.

A. He can't trademark his name. 87 other people in The US have his name and no judge in their right mind would sign off on this trademark.

B. The site is nearly 13 years old and by itself, without the mailing list of 170,000 supporters that he could milk for donations which was a part of the deal, is worth between $42,000 and $83,000.

http://www.worthofweb.com...

http://www.yourwebsitevalue.com...

The asking price is more than fair, and they offered to give him ronpaul.org AND actively promote that site on theirs (and all these people have been doing is gushing all over the man since they opened up shop)

WTF? Ron Paul going to the UN and using an organization he has spent his entire career criticizing and demonizing isn't a mistake - it's the hypocritical move of the new century so far.

Also, what evidence do you have that these people are foreigners?
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2/10/2013 12:43:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
He is certainly in the wrong. Its pretty minor, and pretty minor hypocracy as I'm not even sure he is against IP.
However, his shtick is his integrity, so the response to this is not disproportionate. The cleaner you are the more the small stuff stands out.
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2/10/2013 1:06:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 12:43:17 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
He is certainly in the wrong. Its pretty minor, and pretty minor hypocracy as I'm not even sure he is against IP.
However, his shtick is his integrity, so the response to this is not disproportionate. The cleaner you are the more the small stuff stands out.

He's against the UN.
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2/10/2013 1:33:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 5:29:02 AM, Kinesis wrote:
He went to the UN? O.o

Thats what bewilders me too!
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2/10/2013 2:12:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Da faq?
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2/10/2013 2:23:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Did anybody read what I fvckin wrote? Foreigners own the site. If they were in America they he could have handled it with the U.S. courts.
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2/10/2013 2:32:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 2:23:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Did anybody read what I fvckin wrote? Foreigners own the site. If they were in America they he could have handled it with the U.S. courts.

I went looking for their country of origin and couldn't find it, which is why asked for your evidence of this.

Also, the owners seemed pretty willing to deal, and deal fairly...they're pretty large supporters of Paul. It didn't seem to need to go to any court, US or otherwise.
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2/10/2013 2:34:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 2:23:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Did anybody read what I fvckin wrote? Foreigners own the site. If they were in America they he could have handled it with the U.S. courts.

Incorrect, but your point isn't.

The site itself is registered outside of the country, hence the requirement of getting the UN involved. But the people who own the site, well I don't know where they live or who they are, and I'm quite sure that you don't either.
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2/10/2013 2:35:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 2:23:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Did anybody read what I fvckin wrote? Foreigners own the site. If they were in America they he could have handled it with the U.S. courts.

Or he could just, you know, buy it off them.
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2/10/2013 2:45:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 2:32:22 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 2/10/2013 2:23:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Did anybody read what I fvckin wrote? Foreigners own the site. If they were in America they he could have handled it with the U.S. courts.

I went looking for their country of origin and couldn't find it, which is why asked for your evidence of this.

My comment was primarily aimed at royalidiot who saw that I said foreigners own yet proceeded to bash Ron Paul for using a U.N. tribunal, which btw, most of this is done by his lawyers and handlers.

A user at the Daily Paul said foreigners own Ron Paul.com, it's not a farfetched claim so I felt no need to double check.

Also, the owners seemed pretty willing to deal, and deal fairly...they're pretty large supporters of Paul. It didn't seem to need to go to any court, US or otherwise.

He probably doesn't want another newsletter incident so he wants control of the site, but they're charging him a quarter million dollars, plus they already made large profits of the site.
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2/10/2013 3:03:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 2:34:24 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 2/10/2013 2:23:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Did anybody read what I fvckin wrote? Foreigners own the site. If they were in America they he could have handled it with the U.S. courts.

Incorrect, but your point isn't.

The site itself is registered outside of the country, hence the requirement of getting the UN involved. But the people who own the site, well I don't know where they live or who they are, and I'm quite sure that you don't either.

Ok, that makes sense.
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2/10/2013 3:56:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 2:45:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 2/10/2013 2:32:22 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 2/10/2013 2:23:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Did anybody read what I fvckin wrote? Foreigners own the site. If they were in America they he could have handled it with the U.S. courts.

I went looking for their country of origin and couldn't find it, which is why asked for your evidence of this.

My comment was primarily aimed at royalidiot who saw that I said foreigners own yet proceeded to bash Ron Paul for using a U.N. tribunal, which btw, most of this is done by his lawyers and handlers.

A user at the Daily Paul said foreigners own Ron Paul.com, it's not a farfetched claim so I felt no need to double check.

Also, the owners seemed pretty willing to deal, and deal fairly...they're pretty large supporters of Paul. It didn't seem to need to go to any court, US or otherwise.

He probably doesn't want another newsletter incident so he wants control of the site, but they're charging him a quarter million dollars, plus they already made large profits of the site.

First off, there is a disclaimer at the bottom of the site saying that they are in no way affiliated or supported by Ron Paul.

Secondly, they have supported Ron Paul for the past decade, with no issues until now.

Thirdly, they own the site. It is their property. Therefore they can charge whatever they want for it. But what they are mostly charging for is the mailing list, which is worth that much by istelf. The site itself is worth about fifty grand.

Finally, they offered him a domain free of charge. And instead of thanking them, he brings them to court.
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2/10/2013 5:27:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 3:57:56 PM, Wnope wrote:
I was sure this was a joke article.

"Ron Paul goes to UN over intellectual property rights dispute."

LOL
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2/10/2013 5:54:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/10/2013 2:45:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 2/10/2013 2:32:22 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 2/10/2013 2:23:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Did anybody read what I fvckin wrote? Foreigners own the site. If they were in America they he could have handled it with the U.S. courts.

I went looking for their country of origin and couldn't find it, which is why asked for your evidence of this.

My comment was primarily aimed at royalidiot who saw that I said foreigners own yet proceeded to bash Ron Paul for using a U.N. tribunal, which btw, most of this is done by his lawyers and handlers.

I didn't care...I went searching. On facebook, they are connected to Americans, almost exclusively. Dude's name is "Tim Martin" which could be fake, but could be not...I don't know.

I was hoping you had a real source for this.

I didn't rely on either side's analysis of the site's worth, either, and did my own independent, double sourced research to determine that $250K was a very fair, and quickly recoup-able amount to ask for what they were offering (which was more than just the site).

So, their true origin remains a mystery, but the lack of need for this legal move doesn't - it was unnecessary and necessarily hypocritical.

A user at the Daily Paul said foreigners own Ron Paul.com, it's not a farfetched claim so I felt no need to double check.

It's not far-fetched, but it's far from known.

Also, the owners seemed pretty willing to deal, and deal fairly...they're pretty large supporters of Paul. It didn't seem to need to go to any court, US or otherwise.

He probably doesn't want another newsletter incident so he wants control of the site, but they're charging him a quarter million dollars, plus they already made large profits of the site.

Aren't these large profits EXACTLY the thing I keep hearing from Paul supporters as the great public good of the Free Market System. And, they are generously charging at or below the market price for that which they offered, when as a monopoly, they could have gouged the f*ck out of Paul, but didn't.

I fail to see why Paul doesn't negotiate them down to $200K and pay the money, using the free market system of which is so strongly advocates.
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2/10/2013 5:55:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The unregulated, free market is awesome until you have to avail yourself of it, huh?
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