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2/13/2013 10:19:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 10:11:36 AM, tulle wrote:
Someone posted this to my Facebook and I thought it was interesting. Thoughts?

I would say its semi right. You can't be 100% accurate with something that scripted though, due to obvious opinion bias.
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2/13/2013 10:34:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't know why its necessary that America has to be #1 in the world. It still beats living in most other countries in the world. Although there are some things I like about america that other countries don't do, and some things I don't like about America that other countries do.
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2/13/2013 10:42:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 10:34:54 AM, darkkermit wrote:
I don't know why its necessary that America has to be #1 in the world.

It doesn't have to be... but many Americans believe that it is.

It still beats living in most other countries in the world. Although there are some things I like about america that other countries don't do, and some things I don't like about America that other countries do.

True. My favourite line though was "Freedom! hurr durr" I hear that a lot. And like the guy pointed out, there are a ton of free countries... I personally don't find the US to be that free.
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2/13/2013 10:52:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Nationalism is one of the most powerful tools in the politician tool belt. That's the only way we maintain a large volunteer army, we convince the people we need a bloated military budget, we make sure everyone is scared of something and we relocate education to the back burner.
I love this one.
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2/13/2013 10:52:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 10:42:36 AM, tulle wrote:
At 2/13/2013 10:34:54 AM, darkkermit wrote:
I don't know why its necessary that America has to be #1 in the world.

It doesn't have to be... but many Americans believe that it is.

It still beats living in most other countries in the world. Although there are some things I like about america that other countries don't do, and some things I don't like about America that other countries do.

True. My favourite line though was "Freedom! hurr durr" I hear that a lot. And like the guy pointed out, there are a ton of free countries... I personally don't find the US to be that free.

This isn't true, refer to wiki's democracy index. The majority of countries are at least repressive, some oppressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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2/13/2013 10:53:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 10:52:43 AM, lewis20 wrote:
Nationalism is one of the most powerful tools in the politician tool belt. That's the only way we maintain a large volunteer army, we convince the people we need a bloated military budget, we make sure everyone is scared of something and we relocate education to the back burner.
I love this one.


As long as you're getting dem' free bama' phones the fate of our sovereignty is irrelevant.
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2/13/2013 10:57:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 10:53:31 AM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
At 2/13/2013 10:52:43 AM, lewis20 wrote:
Nationalism is one of the most powerful tools in the politician tool belt. That's the only way we maintain a large volunteer army, we convince the people we need a bloated military budget, we make sure everyone is scared of something and we relocate education to the back burner.
I love this one.


As long as you're getting dem' free bama' phones the fate of our sovereignty is irrelevant.

How is any of that relevant? I'm talking about fear mongering, nationalism and the military industrial complex and you bring in social welfare obama phones?
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2/13/2013 11:24:40 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 10:52:47 AM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:

This isn't true, refer to wiki's democracy index. The majority of countries are at least repressive, some oppressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Well there are at least 24 others??

The following countries are categorized by the Democracy Index 2011 as Full democracy:[52]
1. Norway
2. Iceland
3. Denmark
4. Sweden
5. New Zealand
6. Australia
7. Switzerland
8. Canada
9. Finland
10. Netherlands
11. Luxembourg
12. Ireland
13. Austria
14. Germany
15. Malta
16. Czech Republic
17. Uruguay
18. United Kingdom
19. United States
20. Costa Rica
21. Japan
22. South Korea
23. Belgium
24. Mauritius
25. Spain
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2/13/2013 11:34:59 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
And 18 ranked higher than the U.S.
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2/13/2013 11:48:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
where was this clip taken from? The guy who goes on his speech looks a lot like the guy from the HBO show 'Newsroom'
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2/13/2013 12:13:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 11:24:40 AM, tulle wrote:
At 2/13/2013 10:52:47 AM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
This isn't true, refer to wiki's democracy index. The majority of countries are at least repressive, some oppressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Well there are at least 24 others??

The following countries are categorized by the Democracy Index 2011 as Full democracy:[52]

Democracy =/= Freedom

Democracy = Collectivist dictatorship
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2/13/2013 12:18:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 12:13:40 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 2/13/2013 11:24:40 AM, tulle wrote:
At 2/13/2013 10:52:47 AM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
This isn't true, refer to wiki's democracy index. The majority of countries are at least repressive, some oppressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Well there are at least 24 others??

The following countries are categorized by the Democracy Index 2011 as Full democracy:[52]

Democracy =/= Freedom

Democracy = Collectivist dictatorship

Really? All those countries with democracies are living in dictatorships? And the ones that arent are all happy and free?
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2/13/2013 12:30:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 10:42:36 AM, tulle wrote:
At 2/13/2013 10:34:54 AM, darkkermit wrote:
I don't know why its necessary that America has to be #1 in the world.

It doesn't have to be... but many Americans believe that it is.

It still beats living in most other countries in the world. Although there are some things I like about america that other countries don't do, and some things I don't like about America that other countries do.

True. My favourite line though was "Freedom! hurr durr" I hear that a lot. And like the guy pointed out, there are a ton of free countries... I personally don't find the US to be that free.

There are some things the US are good in terms of and bad in terms of freedom in my opinion (although freedom is abstract).

The US has the highest prison population per capita in the world, higher then nations considered police states.

The US ranks moderate on the economic freedom index. We're no longer number one on it, but we're around 11.

The US is the best when it comes to freedom of speech. Almost all nations make hate speech and other forms of speech illegal. I can't think of a nation in mind that has greater forms of freedom of speech.
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2/13/2013 12:42:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 12:18:29 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 2/13/2013 12:13:40 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Democracy =/= Freedom

Democracy = Collectivist dictatorship

Really? All those countries with democracies are living in dictatorships? And the ones that arent are all happy and free?

In a Democracy you are always living at the whims of what the populace decides. The populace can Democratically vote to ruin your life, steal your money, take your property, and throw you in a blender. I don't see how that's freedom. It sounds like a Dictatorship, except instead of one Hitler, it's 150,000,000 Hitlers.
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2/13/2013 12:44:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 12:42:08 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 2/13/2013 12:18:29 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 2/13/2013 12:13:40 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Democracy =/= Freedom

Democracy = Collectivist dictatorship

Really? All those countries with democracies are living in dictatorships? And the ones that arent are all happy and free?

In a Democracy you are always living at the whims of what the populace decides. The populace can Democratically vote to ruin your life, steal your money, take your property, and throw you in a blender. I don't see how that's freedom. It sounds like a Dictatorship, except instead of one Hitler, it's 150,000,000 Hitlers.

Even I know that democracy is in no way like what you just described. And I might as well be politically illiterate.
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2/13/2013 12:52:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
its a pretty common sentiment to believe that the nation you live in is the best.

America is by far the best when it comes to militarily, although i'm not sure if that's really something people openly brag about.
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2/13/2013 1:10:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 11:48:35 AM, imabench wrote:
where was this clip taken from? The guy who goes on his speech looks a lot like the guy from the HBO show 'Newsroom'

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2/13/2013 1:17:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 12:44:54 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 2/13/2013 12:42:08 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
In a Democracy you are always living at the whims of what the populace decides. The populace can Democratically vote to ruin your life, steal your money, take your property, and throw you in a blender. I don't see how that's freedom. It sounds like a Dictatorship, except instead of one Hitler, it's 150,000,000 Hitlers.

Even I know that democracy is in no way like what you just described. And I might as well be politically illiterate.

Explain why that's not the case.
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2/13/2013 1:34:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 12:18:29 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 2/13/2013 12:13:40 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 2/13/2013 11:24:40 AM, tulle wrote:
At 2/13/2013 10:52:47 AM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
This isn't true, refer to wiki's democracy index. The majority of countries are at least repressive, some oppressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Well there are at least 24 others??

The following countries are categorized by the Democracy Index 2011 as Full democracy:[52]

Democracy =/= Freedom

Democracy = Collectivist dictatorship

Really? All those countries with democracies are living in dictatorships? And the ones that arent are all happy and free?

Those countries aren't democracies, they're republics and Constitutional Monarchy's there aren't any democracies. Countries are ruled by pieces of paper, not the whims of the pure majority. Monarchs run countries better than democracy could. Democracy in itself isn't at all freedom, the freedom we enjoy is guaranteed in a century old piece of paper written by a few people, not, in any way, democracy.
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2/13/2013 1:43:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Wrong, the US is best because it is the most powerful nation on earth.

Best in economy, best in military, best in scientific knowledge. That bring power and power is always the best.
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2/13/2013 1:48:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 1:43:24 PM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
Wrong, the US is best because it is the most powerful nation on earth.

Best in economy, best in military, best in scientific knowledge. That bring power and power is always the best.

2 of those things are up for contention and I dont think that being the best at 3 things justifies the US being able to call itself number 1
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2/13/2013 1:49:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 1:43:24 PM, suttichart.denpruektham wrote:
Wrong, the US is best because it is the most powerful nation on earth.

Best in economy, best in military, best in scientific knowledge. That bring power and power is always the best.

Only one of these is correct. Technically you can say that the US is best in overall GDP, but not GDP per capita. Same with scientific knowledge, only works if you count it overall, not per capita. But that's only because of its vast size.
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2/13/2013 1:52:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 1:17:40 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 2/13/2013 12:44:54 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 2/13/2013 12:42:08 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
In a Democracy you are always living at the whims of what the populace decides. The populace can Democratically vote to ruin your life, steal your money, take your property, and throw you in a blender. I don't see how that's freedom. It sounds like a Dictatorship, except instead of one Hitler, it's 150,000,000 Hitlers.

Even I know that democracy is in no way like what you just described. And I might as well be politically illiterate.

Explain why that's not the case.

You describe a democracy as though it is necessarily evil, and anyone part of it must be a mini hitler. This is not the case.
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2/13/2013 1:55:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 10:52:43 AM, lewis20 wrote:
Nationalism is one of the most powerful tools in the politician tool belt. That's the only way we maintain a large volunteer army, we convince the people we need a bloated military budget, we make sure everyone is scared of something and we relocate education to the back burner.
I love this one.


But that's exactly what the education-industrial complex wants.
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2/13/2013 1:59:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 1:55:39 PM, darkkermit wrote:
But that's exactly what the education-industrial complex wants.

The education-industrial complex is doing just fine without educating anyone.
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2/13/2013 2:17:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 1:52:11 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 2/13/2013 1:17:40 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Explain why that's not the case.

You describe a democracy as though it is necessarily evil, and anyone part of it must be a mini hitler. This is not the case.

False. You missed a key attribute. I'm pointing to Hitler's attribute of being able to dictate your life and tell you what to do.

In a Democracy, a large group of people get to dictate your life and make decisions for you. That means the big mob of people is 150,000,001 Hitlers.

In my view, dictating others lives is evil, so in that sense democracy is inherently evil.
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2/13/2013 2:19:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 2:17:18 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 2/13/2013 1:52:11 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 2/13/2013 1:17:40 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Explain why that's not the case.

You describe a democracy as though it is necessarily evil, and anyone part of it must be a mini hitler. This is not the case.

False. You missed a key attribute. I'm pointing to Hitler's attribute of being able to dictate your life and tell you what to do.

In a Democracy, a large group of people get to dictate your life and make decisions for you. That means the big mob of people is 150,000,001 Hitlers.

In my view, dictating others lives is evil, so in that sense democracy is inherently evil.

You're a troll, aren't you.
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2/13/2013 2:26:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/13/2013 2:19:09 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 2/13/2013 2:17:18 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 2/13/2013 1:52:11 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 2/13/2013 1:17:40 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Explain why that's not the case.

You describe a democracy as though it is necessarily evil, and anyone part of it must be a mini hitler. This is not the case.

False. You missed a key attribute. I'm pointing to Hitler's attribute of being able to dictate your life and tell you what to do.

In a Democracy, a large group of people get to dictate your life and make decisions for you. That means the big mob of people is 150,000,001 Hitlers.

In my view, dictating others lives is evil, so in that sense democracy is inherently evil.

You're a troll, aren't you.

Refute my point. Benjamin Franklin agrees with me, not you.
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