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sadolite
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2/15/2013 5:11:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I am a history buff in the sense that I have read a fair amount of it and don't support people or ideas that people want to try again that history showed to be a great negative and a failure in the past when tried countless times before.

I can't see much point in debating history though. There is no argument to win other than if it was rewritten to fit an agenda for the future.
Beware of the people who are in your circle but are not in your corner.

And with the stroke of a pen people 18 to 21 who own a gun became criminals and public enemy #1 having committed no crime and having said nothing. Just like the Jews in Germany during WW2. Must be a weird feeling.

When I hear people crying and whining about their first world problems I think about the universe with everything in it and people in wheelchairs and all of their problems go away.
ConservativeAmerican
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2/15/2013 9:16:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/15/2013 5:11:55 PM, sadolite wrote:
I am a history buff in the sense that I have read a fair amount of it and don't support people or ideas that people want to try again that history showed to be a great negative and a failure in the past when tried countless times before.

I can't see much point in debating history though. There is no argument to win other than if it was rewritten to fit an agenda for the future.

You can debate things such as the world's most significant battles (their impact on history), whether the soviets were a threat or not, etc.
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2/15/2013 10:03:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I am, I always wanted to do a history debate, but no one wants to debate my topic.
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2/15/2013 10:08:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Innomen and YYW would be considered, in a sense, "history buffs." I would nominate the two as the two most prominent of the (active) members who still pursue history as an intellectual subject.
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2/15/2013 10:09:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/15/2013 10:08:13 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
Innomen and YYW would be considered, in a sense, "history buffs." I would nominate the two as the two of the most prominent of the (active) members who still pursue history as an intellectual subject.

Amended.
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2/15/2013 10:16:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/15/2013 10:09:54 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 2/15/2013 10:08:13 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
Innomen and YYW would be considered, in a sense, "history buffs." I would nominate the two as the two of the most prominent of the (active) members who still pursue history as an intellectual subject.

Amended.

Innomen knows modern history, but when I challenge him to any debate that is in the middle ages, or earlier, he claims to not be knowledgeable in it.
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2/16/2013 2:28:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/15/2013 10:16:57 PM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
At 2/15/2013 10:09:54 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 2/15/2013 10:08:13 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
Innomen and YYW would be considered, in a sense, "history buffs." I would nominate the two as the two of the most prominent of the (active) members who still pursue history as an intellectual subject.

Amended.

Innomen knows modern history, but when I challenge him to any debate that is in the middle ages, or earlier, he claims to not be knowledgeable in it.

Oh well. You two may have different specialties that unfortunately don't overlap.
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YYW
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2/16/2013 2:44:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/15/2013 10:16:57 PM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
At 2/15/2013 10:09:54 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 2/15/2013 10:08:13 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
Innomen and YYW would be considered, in a sense, "history buffs." I would nominate the two as the two of the most prominent of the (active) members who still pursue history as an intellectual subject.

Amended.

Innomen knows modern history, but when I challenge him to any debate that is in the middle ages, or earlier, he claims to not be knowledgeable in it.

I'm flattered but I'm no buff. I know a thing or two, and that's about it...
sadolite
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2/16/2013 3:02:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/15/2013 9:16:37 PM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
At 2/15/2013 5:11:55 PM, sadolite wrote:
I am a history buff in the sense that I have read a fair amount of it and don't support people or ideas that people want to try again that history showed to be a great negative and a failure in the past when tried countless times before.

I can't see much point in debating history though. There is no argument to win other than if it was rewritten to fit an agenda for the future.

You can debate things such as the world's most significant battles (their impact on history), whether the soviets were a threat or not, etc.

"the soviets were a threat or not, etc." Hmm I will refer you to the millions of people who perished in Soviet gulags in Siberia. (Source) don't need one, settled historical fact.
Beware of the people who are in your circle but are not in your corner.

And with the stroke of a pen people 18 to 21 who own a gun became criminals and public enemy #1 having committed no crime and having said nothing. Just like the Jews in Germany during WW2. Must be a weird feeling.

When I hear people crying and whining about their first world problems I think about the universe with everything in it and people in wheelchairs and all of their problems go away.
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2/16/2013 3:45:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/16/2013 3:02:14 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/15/2013 9:16:37 PM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
At 2/15/2013 5:11:55 PM, sadolite wrote:
I am a history buff in the sense that I have read a fair amount of it and don't support people or ideas that people want to try again that history showed to be a great negative and a failure in the past when tried countless times before.

I can't see much point in debating history though. There is no argument to win other than if it was rewritten to fit an agenda for the future.

You can debate things such as the world's most significant battles (their impact on history), whether the soviets were a threat or not, etc.


"the soviets were a threat or not, etc." Hmm I will refer you to the millions of people who perished in Soviet gulags in Siberia. (Source) don't need one, settled historical fact.

Even uncivilized buffoons can systematically slaughter large portions of their population. The Rwandan genocide was committed with basic rifles and machetes, and it killed anywhere from 500,000-1,000,000 people. What dictates if a nation is a real threat is if they pose a threat to outside nations or the world.
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2/16/2013 4:46:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I know a few things, mostly concerning ancient Roman, Persian, and southeast Asian history. But it's more of a hobby than anything.
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ConservativePolitico
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2/16/2013 8:30:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I love history. I've done a few historical debates in my time here. I'd be down for some more.
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Subutai
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2/16/2013 8:56:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I love history, especially military history (look at my username) and have done a few history debates. Just present a topic you would like to debate.
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