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2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
My brother posted the following while the academy awards were on TV.

http://www.facebook.com...

I asked him two things:

1. Ever heard of Clint Eastwood?
2. Since when did so many* "conservatives" become such whiners? they remind me of Dennis Rodman "working the refs."

Both my brothers continually whine about "liberal" media, "liberal" scientists and now "liberal" millionaires (oh I'm sorry I guess it's not the millionaire part that's liberal it is the artist part.)

GMAFB [ends with "Break"]

Here's a song for them by that flaming "liberal" Frank Sinatra. (He was a democrat at one time.)

https://www.youtube.com...

They sang this over the closing credits of the Academy Awards in case you were one of those weenies boycotting because "artists are liberals."

* Again, NOT all people who call themselves conservatives. As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say that true conservatives (at least old school ones before the present crop of radical right wingers) wouldn't be caught dead associated with such a boycott.

[Glad I got that off my chest. :D)]
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.* And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Barry Goldwater
*Except in a democracy it might lose you an election.

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2/25/2013 2:35:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:
My brother posted the following while the academy awards were on TV.

http://www.facebook.com...

I asked him two things:

1. Ever heard of Clint Eastwood?
Don't forget Charlton Heston or Ronald Reagan.
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2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:
My brother posted the following while the academy awards were on TV.

http://www.facebook.com...

I asked him two things:

1. Ever heard of Clint Eastwood?
2. Since when did so many* "conservatives" become such whiners? they remind me of Dennis Rodman "working the refs."

Both my brothers continually whine about "liberal" media, "liberal" scientists and now "liberal" millionaires (oh I'm sorry I guess it's not the millionaire part that's liberal it is the artist part.)

GMAFB [ends with "Break"]

Here's a song for them by that flaming "liberal" Frank Sinatra. (He was a democrat at one time.)

https://www.youtube.com...

They sang this over the closing credits of the Academy Awards in case you were one of those weenies boycotting because "artists are liberals."

* Again, NOT all people who call themselves conservatives. As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say that true conservatives (at least old school ones before the present crop of radical right wingers) wouldn't be caught dead associated with such a boycott.

[Glad I got that off my chest. :D)]

No true conservatives commits no true scotsman fallacy.

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)
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2/25/2013 7:24:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Apparently one actor who is a conservative disproves the idea that Hollywood is mainly liberal. Fvcking averages how do they work.
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2/25/2013 7:47:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:
My brother posted the following while the academy awards were on TV.

http://www.facebook.com...

I asked him two things:

1. Ever heard of Clint Eastwood?
2. Since when did so many* "conservatives" become such whiners? they remind me of Dennis Rodman "working the refs."

Both my brothers continually whine about "liberal" media, "liberal" scientists and now "liberal" millionaires (oh I'm sorry I guess it's not the millionaire part that's liberal it is the artist part.)

GMAFB [ends with "Break"]

Here's a song for them by that flaming "liberal" Frank Sinatra. (He was a democrat at one time.)

https://www.youtube.com...

They sang this over the closing credits of the Academy Awards in case you were one of those weenies boycotting because "artists are liberals."

* Again, NOT all people who call themselves conservatives. As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say that true conservatives (at least old school ones before the present crop of radical right wingers) wouldn't be caught dead associated with such a boycott.

[Glad I got that off my chest. :D)]

Yea, except you can see that at least hollywood republicans (only a few) keep quiet usually, most hollywood liberals use their position of fame that they acquired through little talent and primarily luck and looks at best, to go politicking and push their views. Read here

http://www.humanevents.com...
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2/25/2013 10:22:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:
My brother posted the following while the academy awards were on TV.

http://www.facebook.com...

I asked him two things:

1. Ever heard of Clint Eastwood?
2. Since when did so many* "conservatives" become such whiners? they remind me of Dennis Rodman "working the refs."

Both my brothers continually whine about "liberal" media, "liberal" scientists and now "liberal" millionaires (oh I'm sorry I guess it's not the millionaire part that's liberal it is the artist part.)

GMAFB [ends with "Break"]

Here's a song for them by that flaming "liberal" Frank Sinatra. (He was a democrat at one time.)

https://www.youtube.com...

They sang this over the closing credits of the Academy Awards in case you were one of those weenies boycotting because "artists are liberals."

* Again, NOT all people who call themselves conservatives. As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say that true conservatives (at least old school ones before the present crop of radical right wingers) wouldn't be caught dead associated with such a boycott.

[Glad I got that off my chest. :D)]

No true conservatives commits no true scotsman fallacy.

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)

Let's start with the best comment first. (IMHO, obviously.)

1. I'm glad I posted this to DDO and not FB. Some of my relatives aren't as smart as some of you. (And you all don't know where I live. LOL:P)

2. It was an obvious rant, and as such was not meant to address the subtleties.

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)

No on actors, not sure on scientists and millionaires.
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.* And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Barry Goldwater
*Except in a democracy it might lose you an election.

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2/25/2013 10:30:51 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Dennis Rodman was a great player
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2/25/2013 10:35:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:
My brother posted the following while the academy awards were on TV.

http://www.facebook.com...

From that website:

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Click LIKE if you couldn't give a rat's patootie which Hollywood leftist wins an Academy Award in their "orgy of self congratulation" tonight!
---

This refers to this video, especially the last minute:

Yes, Hollywood is responsible for EVERY LIBERAL MOVEMENT EVER CONCEIVED IN AMERICA.

Now, I like Clooney, I think he's a great actor and Michael Clayton and Up in the Air are two of my favorites. This speech? Yeah, ok bud. So you're human after all.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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2/25/2013 10:39:57 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 10:22:27 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)


No on actors, not sure on scientists and millionaires.

I would think most millionaires are overall conservative, hence the GOP platform. The liberal rich are simply a LOT more vocal. The conservatives constitute the "silent majority".
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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2/25/2013 10:40:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 10:22:27 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:
My brother posted the following while the academy awards were on TV.

http://www.facebook.com...

I asked him two things:

1. Ever heard of Clint Eastwood?
2. Since when did so many* "conservatives" become such whiners? they remind me of Dennis Rodman "working the refs."

Both my brothers continually whine about "liberal" media, "liberal" scientists and now "liberal" millionaires (oh I'm sorry I guess it's not the millionaire part that's liberal it is the artist part.)

GMAFB [ends with "Break"]

Here's a song for them by that flaming "liberal" Frank Sinatra. (He was a democrat at one time.)

https://www.youtube.com...

They sang this over the closing credits of the Academy Awards in case you were one of those weenies boycotting because "artists are liberals."

* Again, NOT all people who call themselves conservatives. As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say that true conservatives (at least old school ones before the present crop of radical right wingers) wouldn't be caught dead associated with such a boycott.

[Glad I got that off my chest. :D)]

No true conservatives commits no true scotsman fallacy.

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)


Let's start with the best comment first. (IMHO, obviously.)

1. I'm glad I posted this to DDO and not FB. Some of my relatives aren't as smart as some of you. (And you all don't know where I live. LOL:P)

2. It was an obvious rant, and as such was not meant to address the subtleties.

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)


No on actors, not sure on scientists and millionaires.

Yes on scientists:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
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2/25/2013 10:45:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 10:39:57 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:22:27 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)


No on actors, not sure on scientists and millionaires.

I would think most millionaires are overall conservative, hence the GOP platform. The liberal rich are simply a LOT more vocal. The conservatives constitute the "silent majority".

Like I said, its a mix. Big business donates to both parties pretty equally. Just because the GOP party tries to pamper to the rich with tax cuts doesn't mean they're successful at it. Moderately wealthy people (net worth less then 30 millon) that come from more modest backgrounds tend to be Republicans, Actors/actresses and the super rich (30 million +) seem to vote democrat. Source is right here:

http://www.halfsigma.com...
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2/25/2013 10:51:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 7:24:41 AM, darkkermit wrote:
Apparently one actor who is a conservative disproves the idea that Hollywood is mainly liberal. Fvcking averages how do they work.

Absolutely.

We all need to be careful of the "exception that proves the rule."

On the other hand, as Royal pointed out, "who cares?" I didn't boycott the Superbowl because "football players are neanderthals, and neanderthals are conservatives"* did I? [:D] (go Niners!)

* Obviously yanking some chains here, please don't take me literally.

(Unless you are a fundamentalist, in which case you may take everything literally, even though you "don't read so good." LOL. If you don't get the joke, feel free to rant back. :)
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.* And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Barry Goldwater
*Except in a democracy it might lose you an election.

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2/25/2013 10:54:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 10:51:39 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:24:41 AM, darkkermit wrote:
Apparently one actor who is a conservative disproves the idea that Hollywood is mainly liberal. Fvcking averages how do they work.

Absolutely.

We all need to be careful of the "exception that proves the rule."

On the other hand, as Royal pointed out, "who cares?" I didn't boycott the Superbowl because "football players are neanderthals, and neanderthals are conservatives"* did I? [:D] (go Niners!)

* Obviously yanking some chains here, please don't take me literally.

(Unless you are a fundamentalist, in which case you may take everything literally, even though you "don't read so good." LOL. If you don't get the joke, feel free to rant back. :)

Not sure if your agreeing with me or not.

I boycotting the Oscars and the Football because I could not care less about either one of them.
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2/25/2013 11:01:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 10:54:53 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:51:39 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:24:41 AM, darkkermit wrote:
Apparently one actor who is a conservative disproves the idea that Hollywood is mainly liberal. Fvcking averages how do they work.

Absolutely.

We all need to be careful of the "exception that proves the rule."

On the other hand, as Royal pointed out, "who cares?" I didn't boycott the Superbowl because "football players are neanderthals, and neanderthals are conservatives"* did I? [:D] (go Niners!)

* Obviously yanking some chains here, please don't take me literally.

(Unless you are a fundamentalist, in which case you may take everything literally, even though you "don't read so good." LOL. If you don't get the joke, feel free to rant back. :)

Not sure if your agreeing with me or not.

I boycotting the Oscars and the Football because I could not care less about either one of them.

Agreeing
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.* And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Barry Goldwater
*Except in a democracy it might lose you an election.

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2/25/2013 11:02:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 7:47:52 AM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:
My brother posted the following while the academy awards were on TV.

http://www.facebook.com...

I asked him two things:

1. Ever heard of Clint Eastwood?
2. Since when did so many* "conservatives" become such whiners? they remind me of Dennis Rodman "working the refs."

Both my brothers continually whine about "liberal" media, "liberal" scientists and now "liberal" millionaires (oh I'm sorry I guess it's not the millionaire part that's liberal it is the artist part.)

GMAFB [ends with "Break"]

Here's a song for them by that flaming "liberal" Frank Sinatra. (He was a democrat at one time.)

https://www.youtube.com...

They sang this over the closing credits of the Academy Awards in case you were one of those weenies boycotting because "artists are liberals."

* Again, NOT all people who call themselves conservatives. As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say that true conservatives (at least old school ones before the present crop of radical right wingers) wouldn't be caught dead associated with such a boycott.

[Glad I got that off my chest. :D)]



Yea, except you can see that at least hollywood republicans (only a few) keep quiet usually, most hollywood liberals use their position of fame that they acquired through little talent and primarily luck and looks at best, to go politicking and push their views. Read here

http://www.humanevents.com...

I'll refer this one to Kermit's statement about the law of averages. :)

From what I can tell by the comments above, and from my conservative friends, it would be hard to find 10 hollywood conservatives talented enough for anyone to care about their opinions. (ooh, snarky, right?)

And Kermit has gotten me out of the mood to have replied with the one word answer: "Reagan." He kept his opinions so much to himself that he got elected president--twice--by landslides--both times. :)
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.* And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Barry Goldwater
*Except in a democracy it might lose you an election.

http://unitedwegovern.org...
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2/25/2013 11:32:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:



Yah Hollywood has done nothing but portray the black man as an equal person in film. No tokens here folks, move along.
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2/25/2013 11:50:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 10:45:49 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:39:57 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:22:27 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)


No on actors, not sure on scientists and millionaires.

I would think most millionaires are overall conservative, hence the GOP platform. The liberal rich are simply a LOT more vocal. The conservatives constitute the "silent majority".

Like I said, its a mix. Big business donates to both parties pretty equally. Just because the GOP party tries to pamper to the rich with tax cuts doesn't mean they're successful at it. Moderately wealthy people (net worth less then 30 millon) that come from more modest backgrounds tend to be Republicans, Actors/actresses and the super rich (30 million +) seem to vote democrat. Source is right here:

http://www.halfsigma.com...

It's not like you said. Most millionaires are not "super rich." Most millionaires vote Republican.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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2/25/2013 1:50:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 11:50:41 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:45:49 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:39:57 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:22:27 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)


No on actors, not sure on scientists and millionaires.

I would think most millionaires are overall conservative, hence the GOP platform. The liberal rich are simply a LOT more vocal. The conservatives constitute the "silent majority".

Like I said, its a mix. Big business donates to both parties pretty equally. Just because the GOP party tries to pamper to the rich with tax cuts doesn't mean they're successful at it. Moderately wealthy people (net worth less then 30 millon) that come from more modest backgrounds tend to be Republicans, Actors/actresses and the super rich (30 million +) seem to vote democrat. Source is right here:

http://www.halfsigma.com...

It's not like you said. Most millionaires are not "super rich." Most millionaires vote Republican.

Perhaps but I don't think it is by as much as some people seem to suspect. The democratic party wouldn't be competitive if it didn't have a large number of millionaires.
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2/25/2013 2:32:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 10:45:49 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:39:57 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:22:27 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)


No on actors, not sure on scientists and millionaires.

I would think most millionaires are overall conservative, hence the GOP platform. The liberal rich are simply a LOT more vocal. The conservatives constitute the "silent majority".

Like I said, its a mix. Big business donates to both parties pretty equally. Just because the GOP party tries to pamper to the rich with tax cuts doesn't mean they're successful at it.
Big businesses donate to both parties to avoid making enemies. From the sources I've seen, the only business that really donates one sided (more than 60:40) are unions, which donate DFL upwards of 90%.

Moderately wealthy people (net worth less then 30 millon) that come from more modest backgrounds tend to be Republicans, Actors/actresses and the super rich (30 million +) seem to vote democrat. Source is right here:

http://www.halfsigma.com...
This would make sense as the lower tier probably earned the money themselves, while the super-rich might not feel like the earned it. (starting a business and working at it for years vs. stock market or millions in one year for one gig)

For the record, I don't think it is a fallacy to point out the exceptions of conservative actors, albeit it is small. The context of this is to boycott something that largely holds one view that one disagrees with, and turn your back to any merits that are warranted within their field (as is the purpose of the Oscars). So, since the purpose of the ceremony is not directly related to their views, the fact that there is any opposing views is relevant.
My work here is, finally, done.
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2/25/2013 3:00:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 1:50:46 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:50:41 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:45:49 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:39:57 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:22:27 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)


No on actors, not sure on scientists and millionaires.

I would think most millionaires are overall conservative, hence the GOP platform. The liberal rich are simply a LOT more vocal. The conservatives constitute the "silent majority".

Like I said, its a mix. Big business donates to both parties pretty equally. Just because the GOP party tries to pamper to the rich with tax cuts doesn't mean they're successful at it. Moderately wealthy people (net worth less then 30 millon) that come from more modest backgrounds tend to be Republicans, Actors/actresses and the super rich (30 million +) seem to vote democrat. Source is right here:

http://www.halfsigma.com...

It's not like you said. Most millionaires are not "super rich." Most millionaires vote Republican.

Perhaps but I don't think it is by as much as some people seem to suspect. The democratic party wouldn't be competitive if it didn't have a large number of millionaires.

I haven't seen any studies on this (the Dems don't like to talk about this), but Obama raised $1 BILLION in 2012. That's a lot of money. I'd like to know where Obama got that kind of dough. Was it really grass roots?
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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2/25/2013 3:28:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 2:32:22 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:45:49 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:39:57 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:22:27 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)


No on actors, not sure on scientists and millionaires.

I would think most millionaires are overall conservative, hence the GOP platform. The liberal rich are simply a LOT more vocal. The conservatives constitute the "silent majority".

Like I said, its a mix. Big business donates to both parties pretty equally. Just because the GOP party tries to pamper to the rich with tax cuts doesn't mean they're successful at it.
Big businesses donate to both parties to avoid making enemies. From the sources I've seen, the only business that really donates one sided (more than 60:40) are unions, which donate DFL upwards of 90%.

What does that even mean? Do you believe that the Democrats or Republicans would try to screw over big buiness if they don't donate to them (the amount they can legally donate is low, something like $10,000 to a political campaign. Of course, businesses donate to other charities which in turn donate to political campaigns)

Yes, probably the biggest difference between republicans and democrats is their attitudes towards unions.

Moderately wealthy people (net worth less then 30 millon) that come from more modest backgrounds tend to be Republicans, Actors/actresses and the super rich (30 million +) seem to vote democrat. Source is right here:

http://www.halfsigma.com...
This would make sense as the lower tier probably earned the money themselves, while the super-rich might not feel like the earned it. (starting a business and working at it for years vs. stock market or millions in one year for one gig)

For the record, I don't think it is a fallacy to point out the exceptions of conservative actors, albeit it is small. The context of this is to boycott something that largely holds one view that one disagrees with, and turn your back to any merits that are warranted within their field (as is the purpose of the Oscars). So, since the purpose of the ceremony is not directly related to their views, the fact that there is any opposing views is relevant.

Its perfectly reasonable to boycott an event based on the majority ideology. If a large group of people held a more extremist view and held an event, more people would be in favor of a boycott.

But, like I said, I boycott the oscars mainly because its lame to watch.
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2/25/2013 8:53:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 3:28:38 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/25/2013 2:32:22 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:45:49 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:39:57 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:22:27 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)


No on actors, not sure on scientists and millionaires.

I would think most millionaires are overall conservative, hence the GOP platform. The liberal rich are simply a LOT more vocal. The conservatives constitute the "silent majority".

Like I said, its a mix. Big business donates to both parties pretty equally. Just because the GOP party tries to pamper to the rich with tax cuts doesn't mean they're successful at it.
Big businesses donate to both parties to avoid making enemies. From the sources I've seen, the only business that really donates one sided (more than 60:40) are unions, which donate DFL upwards of 90%.

What does that even mean? Do you believe that the Democrats or Republicans would try to screw over big buiness if they don't donate to them (the amount they can legally donate is low, something like $10,000 to a political campaign. Of course, businesses donate to other charities which in turn donate to political campaigns)
I was just trying to say that people will donate to their ideology, but businesses won't, which is why they largely donate to both parties. I only said this because you seemed to suggest that big business is split via ideological donations, but it was late, and perhaps I misread the context of your statement.

Yes, probably the biggest difference between republicans and democrats is their attitudes towards unions.
Which is why union generally don't give to GOP.

Moderately wealthy people (net worth less then 30 millon) that come from more modest backgrounds tend to be Republicans, Actors/actresses and the super rich (30 million +) seem to vote democrat. Source is right here:

http://www.halfsigma.com...
This would make sense as the lower tier probably earned the money themselves, while the super-rich might not feel like the earned it. (starting a business and working at it for years vs. stock market or millions in one year for one gig)

For the record, I don't think it is a fallacy to point out the exceptions of conservative actors, albeit it is small. The context of this is to boycott something that largely holds one view that one disagrees with, and turn your back to any merits that are warranted within their field (as is the purpose of the Oscars). So, since the purpose of the ceremony is not directly related to their views, the fact that there is any opposing views is relevant.

Its perfectly reasonable to boycott an event based on the majority ideology. If a large group of people held a more extremist view and held an event, more people would be in favor of a boycott.
I think a boycott really only works if the message is consistent, nearly unanimous, and germane to the purpose of the event/group (like a KKK rally) or there is a profit to be had (like Chic-fil-a). Otherwise, I think it is petty to boycott, especially when in this case, it is a celebration of merit (supposedly).

But, like I said, I boycott the oscars mainly because its lame to watch.
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2/26/2013 8:10:32 AM
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At 2/25/2013 10:30:51 AM, lewis20 wrote:
Dennis Rodman was a great player

She was gorgeous! :D

I wouldn't argue with that he was a great basketball player. In fact, one of the things that made him good was his ability to work the refs.

It is just so frustrating for the other team, though! :D

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2/26/2013 10:53:50 AM
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At 2/25/2013 8:53:15 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/25/2013 3:28:38 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/25/2013 2:32:22 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:45:49 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:39:57 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:22:27 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 7:23:47 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2013 11:51:51 PM, proglib wrote:

Are you seriously denying that most hollywood actors, scientists and millionaires are liberals. ( I think its evenly split for millionaires between liberals and conservatives)


No on actors, not sure on scientists and millionaires.

I would think most millionaires are overall conservative, hence the GOP platform. The liberal rich are simply a LOT more vocal. The conservatives constitute the "silent majority".

Like I said, its a mix. Big business donates to both parties pretty equally. Just because the GOP party tries to pamper to the rich with tax cuts doesn't mean they're successful at it.
Big businesses donate to both parties to avoid making enemies. From the sources I've seen, the only business that really donates one sided (more than 60:40) are unions, which donate DFL upwards of 90%.

What does that even mean? Do you believe that the Democrats or Republicans would try to screw over big buiness if they don't donate to them (the amount they can legally donate is low, something like $10,000 to a political campaign. Of course, businesses donate to other charities which in turn donate to political campaigns)
I was just trying to say that people will donate to their ideology, but businesses won't, which is why they largely donate to both parties. I only said this because you seemed to suggest that big business is split via ideological donations, but it was late, and perhaps I misread the context of your statement.

Yes, probably the biggest difference between republicans and democrats is their attitudes towards unions.
Which is why union generally don't give to GOP.

Moderately wealthy people (net worth less then 30 millon) that come from more modest backgrounds tend to be Republicans, Actors/actresses and the super rich (30 million +) seem to vote democrat. Source is right here:

http://www.halfsigma.com...
This would make sense as the lower tier probably earned the money themselves, while the super-rich might not feel like the earned it. (starting a business and working at it for years vs. stock market or millions in one year for one gig)

For the record, I don't think it is a fallacy to point out the exceptions of conservative actors, albeit it is small. The context of this is to boycott something that largely holds one view that one disagrees with, and turn your back to any merits that are warranted within their field (as is the purpose of the Oscars). So, since the purpose of the ceremony is not directly related to their views, the fact that there is any opposing views is relevant.

Its perfectly reasonable to boycott an event based on the majority ideology. If a large group of people held a more extremist view and held an event, more people would be in favor of a boycott.
I think a boycott really only works if the message is consistent, nearly unanimous, and germane to the purpose of the event/group (like a KKK rally) or there is a profit to be had (like Chic-fil-a). Otherwise, I think it is petty to boycott, especially when in this case, it is a celebration of merit (supposedly).

But, like I said, I boycott the oscars mainly because its lame to watch.
Agreed.

Good discussion.

Of course the right has "the right" to boycott the Oscars. (I sometimes do too for the reason you suggested--BORING--thought Sunday night's was a lot of fun for me. Lot of good movies this year, IMHO.)

For me, though, it goes to a combination of:

1. what you were discussing--this is a lame boycott. Hollywood is only liberal because there are so few really exceptional (in the artistic sense) conservative actors. [1] Hollywood is about money. When Clint makes a great (to the hollywood voters' criteria) he wins. [This could be a long discussion about bias, but the biggest bias is about personality and marketability and the like.]

2. Like I said above, it's frustrating to see the "other team" working the refs. And the right wing has been making Rodman look like an amateur in this respect.

Sure more journalists, oscar winners, scientists are liberals. Does that mean that everything they say is wrong? B.S.

It also leads me to ask the question "why are more scientists, college professors, economists, ...you name it...liberal by large numbers?"

One of the possibilities (only slightly tongue in cheek here) is that conservatives (in general*) don't have the talent that it takes to do these things.

Maybe, just maybe, the right may need to be a bit more careful about whining that so few of them are able to compete in these professions?

Just sayin' :D

[1] the whole premise of this discussion was a case made by the right that "Hollywood is liberal." Several "conservatives" have made the point on the thread.

* Again, NOT ALL. I personally know several brilliant right wingers. Don't take this personal, we are talking the law of averages.
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2/26/2013 11:02:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 8:10:32 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:30:51 AM, lewis20 wrote:
Dennis Rodman was a great player

She was gorgeous! :D

I wouldn't argue with that he was a great basketball player. In fact, one of the things that made him good was his ability to work the refs.

I'd argue that he was a great player, he averaged 15+ rebounds for 7 years. He averaged 18.7 rebounds one season. That's unheard of, since the days of Chamberlain and Russell.

Also, he's apparently very busy in his diplomatic work these days. because that's the guy we want repressenting us in North Korea. hah
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2/26/2013 3:21:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 10:53:50 AM, proglib wrote:

It also leads me to ask the question "why are more scientists, college professors, economists, ...you name it...liberal by large numbers?"

One of the possibilities (only slightly tongue in cheek here) is that conservatives (in general*) don't have the talent that it takes to do these things.
I think it is the view of feeling like you earned your money vs. dependance/overpaid (economic rent).
Conservatives, IMO, are more likely to start a business and work 70 hours to make it a success, or at least not feel they are entitled to a job. (and, as always, there is simply being told what to think by your parents)

While the more liberal professions are funded by the government (teachers, scientists) or feel they didn't earn their money, like trust fund babies or those who get paid millions to do something they would do for much less (like sing or act).

Plus, these more liberal non-funded by government professions are much, much more in the public eye, so taking a stance that is likely to illicit an emotional negative response (conservatives often are perceived as cold-hearted) could have negative personal/professional consequences.

Maybe, just maybe, the right may need to be a bit more careful about whining that so few of them are able to compete in these professions?

Just sayin' :D
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2/26/2013 11:59:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 11:02:16 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/26/2013 8:10:32 AM, proglib wrote:
At 2/25/2013 10:30:51 AM, lewis20 wrote:
Dennis Rodman was a great player

She was gorgeous! :D

I wouldn't argue with that he was a great basketball player. In fact, one of the things that made him good was his ability to work the refs.

I'd argue that he was a great player, he averaged 15+ rebounds for 7 years. He averaged 18.7 rebounds one season. That's unheard of, since the days of Chamberlain and Russell.

Also, he's apparently very busy in his diplomatic work these days. because that's the guy we want repressenting us in North Korea. hah
http://www.npr.org...

LMAO.

Yes, he was a very good to great player. I meant to say that, but wasn't very clear. I'm not enough of a basketball expert to say definitively whether "very good" or "great" should apply to him. I'll defer to you.

I can say I loved watching him--he was great in that sense. As far as I'm concerned he was a key component of the Bulls championships when he was there. Part of an amazing puzzle that Phil Jackson pieced together around Michael. The man who pretty much refused to lose, IMHO. (Mr. Jordan, that is, just to be clear for the non-b-ball afficianados (sp?).)

on N. Korea:

If Dennis can work the commies the way he worked the refs (or confuse them the way he confused and frustrated his opponents), he might do some good no matter what tattoos, rouge (sp?), etc., etc., he shows up in. :D LOL
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