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2/25/2013 11:07:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hey Everyone!

Right now in our society, there has been much debate about health care reform and the upcoming fiscal cliff, but I know many people who still voted in the last election primarily due to social issues. Many people in the United States remain very passionate about their views on abortion, and that could have even determined who got their vote.

I am very much pro-choice, not because I believe in abortion, but because I believe it is right women should be allowed to have.

This summer I recently was in a dilemma with one of my friends, because her mother openly told her that she wanted to get an abortion, but because it illegal at that time she couldn"t get one. She was born because her mother did not get an abortion.

I still remain very pro-choice, but have great respect for her opinions. What are you opinions? Where do you stand on this issue?
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2/25/2013 11:50:13 PM
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At 2/25/2013 11:07:45 PM, dreamm wrote:
Hey Everyone!

Right now in our society, there has been much debate about health care reform and the upcoming fiscal cliff, but I know many people who still voted in the last election primarily due to social issues. Many people in the United States remain very passionate about their views on abortion, and that could have even determined who got their vote.

I am very much pro-choice, not because I believe in abortion, but because I believe it is right women should be allowed to have.

This summer I recently was in a dilemma with one of my friends, because her mother openly told her that she wanted to get an abortion, but because it illegal at that time she couldn"t get one. She was born because her mother did not get an abortion.

I still remain very pro-choice, but have great respect for her opinions. What are you opinions? Where do you stand on this issue?

That's a horrible thing to tell your children.
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2/26/2013 12:56:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 11:07:45 PM, dreamm wrote:
Hey Everyone!

Right now in our society, there has been much debate about health care reform and the upcoming fiscal cliff, but I know many people who still voted in the last election primarily due to social issues. Many people in the United States remain very passionate about their views on abortion, and that could have even determined who got their vote.

I am very much pro-choice, not because I believe in abortion, but because I believe it is right women should be allowed to have.

This summer I recently was in a dilemma with one of my friends, because her mother openly told her that she wanted to get an abortion, but because it illegal at that time she couldn"t get one. She was born because her mother did not get an abortion.

I still remain very pro-choice, but have great respect for her opinions. What are you opinions? Where do you stand on this issue?

Pro choice. Women have rights to their bodies and the mother is more important that the fetus. Not to mention that the earth is so terribly overpopulated that you are kind of doing the rest of us a favor by getting an abortion.
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2/26/2013 9:45:08 AM
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At 2/25/2013 11:07:45 PM, dreamm wrote:
Hey Everyone!

Right now in our society, there has been much debate about health care reform and the upcoming fiscal cliff, but I know many people who still voted in the last election primarily due to social issues. Many people in the United States remain very passionate about their views on abortion, and that could have even determined who got their vote.

I am very much pro-choice, not because I believe in abortion, but because I believe it is right women should be allowed to have.

This summer I recently was in a dilemma with one of my friends, because her mother openly told her that she wanted to get an abortion, but because it illegal at that time she couldn"t get one. She was born because her mother did not get an abortion.

I still remain very pro-choice, but have great respect for her opinions. What are you opinions? Where do you stand on this issue?

I am Pro-Life. I think there is un-refutable evidence that a fetus is a living person. If you look at what we define a human life as, you will see that fetus meets all of that criteria. That is why I feel that abortion is murder, and one does not have the right to end the life of another. Thus, I only accept abortion in the case of a mother's life, when she has the right to defend her life, other than that however, I do not accept abortion.
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2/26/2013 10:40:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 12:56:50 AM, rogue wrote:

Pro choice. Women have rights to their bodies and the mother is more important that the fetus. Not to mention that the earth is so terribly overpopulated that you are kind of doing the rest of us a favor by getting an abortion.

Can you express more on why you believe in being pro-choice? Like do you believe as soon as insemination occurs it is considered a fetus? If laws to be put in place what would you ideally want?
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2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM
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Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.
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2/26/2013 10:49:28 AM
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At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive, it doesn't have a right to life. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.

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2/26/2013 2:32:55 PM
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At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.

There has been a lot of mention concerning the life that fetus' are entitled too. My question for all of you is what about the rights of a woman? If a woman was sexually abused should she it still be illegal for her to have an abortion? Would you classify abortion as a human right?
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2/26/2013 3:06:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 2:32:55 PM, dreamm wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.


There has been a lot of mention concerning the life that fetus' are entitled too. My question for all of you is what about the rights of a woman? If a woman was sexually abused should she it still be illegal for her to have an abortion? Would you classify abortion as a human right?

This is my opinion, but I would say that if you consider the unborn child to be a human, then it matters little how it got there. It didn't choose to be a rape child. It didn't choose to have a mom who couldn't afford to take care of it.
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2/26/2013 3:42:25 PM
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To all of you who are pro-life; If you believe it's wrong for women to have abortions, I think our government should be allowed to force parents to take I:Q tests before a child is born. If either parents doesn't meet the required I:Q level their child is put in foster care and the parents are also to be made sterile in order to prevent them from having any more stupid children.

Remember; if they can make abortion illegal, your giving them more of our rights to govern.
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2/26/2013 3:48:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 11:07:45 PM, dreamm wrote:
Hey Everyone!

Right now in our society, there has been much debate about health care reform and the upcoming fiscal cliff, but I know many people who still voted in the last election primarily due to social issues. Many people in the United States remain very passionate about their views on abortion, and that could have even determined who got their vote.

I am very much pro-choice, not because I believe in abortion, but because I believe it is right women should be allowed to have.

This summer I recently was in a dilemma with one of my friends, because her mother openly told her that she wanted to get an abortion, but because it illegal at that time she couldn"t get one. She was born because her mother did not get an abortion.

I still remain very pro-choice, but have great respect for her opinions. What are you opinions? Where do you stand on this issue?

Roe will NEVER be overturned, so arguing over it is stupid. It's a highly device issue though that politicians use to rally voters ignorant of the reality of privacy rights -so, while the issue itself is moot, the topic remains relevant because of how much people care about it.
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2/26/2013 3:55:35 PM
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At 2/26/2013 3:42:25 PM, pozessed wrote:
To all of you who are pro-life; If you believe it's wrong for women to have abortions, I think our government should be allowed to force parents to take I:Q tests before a child is born. If either parents doesn't meet the required I:Q level their child is put in foster care and the parents are also to be made sterile in order to prevent them from having any more stupid children.

Remember; if they can make abortion illegal, your giving them more of our rights to govern.

And what would be the minimum IQ sufficient to permit reproduction, in your view?
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2/26/2013 3:57:49 PM
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At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.

You really think this: http://scm-l3.technorati.com... possesses anything that should entitle it to a right to life?
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2/26/2013 4:00:55 PM
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At 2/26/2013 3:57:49 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.

You really think this: http://scm-l3.technorati.com... possesses anything that should entitle it to a right to life?

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2/26/2013 4:11:59 PM
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At 2/25/2013 11:50:13 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:07:45 PM, dreamm wrote:
Hey Everyone!

Right now in our society, there has been much debate about health care reform and the upcoming fiscal cliff, but I know many people who still voted in the last election primarily due to social issues. Many people in the United States remain very passionate about their views on abortion, and that could have even determined who got their vote.

I am very much pro-choice, not because I believe in abortion, but because I believe it is right women should be allowed to have.

This summer I recently was in a dilemma with one of my friends, because her mother openly told her that she wanted to get an abortion, but because it illegal at that time she couldn"t get one. She was born because her mother did not get an abortion.

I still remain very pro-choice, but have great respect for her opinions. What are you opinions? Where do you stand on this issue?

That's a horrible thing to tell your children.

^ I absolutely agree.

I don't know where I stand on this issue. On one hand, I think abortion is an awful thing, especially past the first trimester. However, I hate the idea of gov't having control over a women's uterus.

Could anybody help me?
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2/26/2013 4:15:24 PM
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At 2/26/2013 4:11:59 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:50:13 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:07:45 PM, dreamm wrote:
Hey Everyone!

Right now in our society, there has been much debate about health care reform and the upcoming fiscal cliff, but I know many people who still voted in the last election primarily due to social issues. Many people in the United States remain very passionate about their views on abortion, and that could have even determined who got their vote.

I am very much pro-choice, not because I believe in abortion, but because I believe it is right women should be allowed to have.

This summer I recently was in a dilemma with one of my friends, because her mother openly told her that she wanted to get an abortion, but because it illegal at that time she couldn"t get one. She was born because her mother did not get an abortion.

I still remain very pro-choice, but have great respect for her opinions. What are you opinions? Where do you stand on this issue?

That's a horrible thing to tell your children.

^ I absolutely agree.

I don't know where I stand on this issue. On one hand, I think abortion is an awful thing, especially past the first trimester. However, I hate the idea of gov't having control over a women's uterus.

Could anybody help me?

Think it less as the government keeping someone from dying? I mean, I'm sure some people hate the idea of the government not allowing us to kill people either.
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2/26/2013 5:25:28 PM
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My mother recently told me that the night I was conceived her vagina was sore, but that back then marital rape was legal, so here I am. She said that's why she's glad marital rape is illegal, and we got into a big fight about it.
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2/26/2013 5:28:42 PM
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At 2/26/2013 12:56:50 AM, rogue wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:07:45 PM, dreamm wrote:
Hey Everyone!

Right now in our society, there has been much debate about health care reform and the upcoming fiscal cliff, but I know many people who still voted in the last election primarily due to social issues. Many people in the United States remain very passionate about their views on abortion, and that could have even determined who got their vote.

I am very much pro-choice, not because I believe in abortion, but because I believe it is right women should be allowed to have.

This summer I recently was in a dilemma with one of my friends, because her mother openly told her that she wanted to get an abortion, but because it illegal at that time she couldn"t get one. She was born because her mother did not get an abortion.

I still remain very pro-choice, but have great respect for her opinions. What are you opinions? Where do you stand on this issue?

Pro choice. Women have rights to their bodies and the mother is more important that the fetus. Not to mention that the earth is so terribly overpopulated that you are kind of doing the rest of us a favor by getting an abortion.

It's OK to kill someone because the violate your personal space?
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2/26/2013 5:29:51 PM
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At 2/26/2013 3:57:49 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.

You really think this: http://scm-l3.technorati.com... possesses anything that should entitle it to a right to life?

I thought Lesswrong helped you see through the shortcomings of intuition. Hmmm, maybe it isn't such a helpful place?
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2/26/2013 7:11:45 PM
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At 2/26/2013 9:45:08 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:07:45 PM, dreamm wrote:
Hey Everyone!

Right now in our society, there has been much debate about health care reform and the upcoming fiscal cliff, but I know many people who still voted in the last election primarily due to social issues. Many people in the United States remain very passionate about their views on abortion, and that could have even determined who got their vote.

I am very much pro-choice, not because I believe in abortion, but because I believe it is right women should be allowed to have.

This summer I recently was in a dilemma with one of my friends, because her mother openly told her that she wanted to get an abortion, but because it illegal at that time she couldn"t get one. She was born because her mother did not get an abortion.

I still remain very pro-choice, but have great respect for her opinions. What are you opinions? Where do you stand on this issue?

I am Pro-Life. I think there is un-refutable evidence that a fetus is a living person. If you look at what we define a human life as, you will see that fetus meets all of that criteria. That is why I feel that abortion is murder, and one does not have the right to end the life of another. Thus, I only accept abortion in the case of a mother's life, when she has the right to defend her life, other than that however, I do not accept abortion.

Really. Can a fetus live independently from his/her mother?
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2/26/2013 7:15:14 PM
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At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.

My skin cells are living too. They have DNA and genetic make up of a human being.
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2/26/2013 7:16:00 PM
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At 2/26/2013 3:06:46 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/26/2013 2:32:55 PM, dreamm wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.


There has been a lot of mention concerning the life that fetus' are entitled too. My question for all of you is what about the rights of a woman? If a woman was sexually abused should she it still be illegal for her to have an abortion? Would you classify abortion as a human right?

This is my opinion, but I would say that if you consider the unborn child to be a human, then it matters little how it got there. It didn't choose to be a rape child. It didn't choose to have a mom who couldn't afford to take care of it.

Sure, and the mother didnt choose to be raped either. And now you want to take her choice not to give birth away, too?
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2/26/2013 7:18:01 PM
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At 2/26/2013 5:25:28 PM, CarefulNow wrote:
My mother recently told me that the night I was conceived her vagina was sore, but that back then marital rape was legal, so here I am. She said that's why she's glad marital rape is illegal, and we got into a big fight about it.

...Your mother....Told you...That her vagina was...sore?

Thats fvcked up....
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2/26/2013 7:31:58 PM
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At 2/26/2013 9:45:08 AM, jzonda415 wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:07:45 PM, dreamm wrote:
Hey Everyone!

Right now in our society, there has been much debate about health care reform and the upcoming fiscal cliff, but I know many people who still voted in the last election primarily due to social issues. Many people in the United States remain very passionate about their views on abortion, and that could have even determined who got their vote.

I am very much pro-choice, not because I believe in abortion, but because I believe it is right women should be allowed to have.

This summer I recently was in a dilemma with one of my friends, because her mother openly told her that she wanted to get an abortion, but because it illegal at that time she couldn"t get one. She was born because her mother did not get an abortion.

I still remain very pro-choice, but have great respect for her opinions. What are you opinions? Where do you stand on this issue?

I am Pro-Life. I think there is un-refutable evidence that a fetus is a living person. If you look at what we define a human life as, you will see that fetus meets all of that criteria. That is why I feel that abortion is murder, and one does not have the right to end the life of another. Thus, I only accept abortion in the case of a mother's life, when she has the right to defend her life, other than that however, I do not accept abortion.

Irrefutable evidence that a fetus is alive and human yes, but should we consider it a person? I say no. What are the qualities of a person, just the fact that they are alive and have a face and are human? No. That is all the qualities of personhood a fetus has. The mother has a right to her body and if she doesn't want a fetus in there it is essentially a parasite. It feels no pain. I do not value it unless the mother does.
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2/26/2013 7:34:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 10:40:14 AM, dreamm wrote:
At 2/26/2013 12:56:50 AM, rogue wrote:

Pro choice. Women have rights to their bodies and the mother is more important that the fetus. Not to mention that the earth is so terribly overpopulated that you are kind of doing the rest of us a favor by getting an abortion.

Can you express more on why you believe in being pro-choice? Like do you believe as soon as insemination occurs it is considered a fetus? If laws to be put in place what would you ideally want?

I think yes it is a fetus, its is alive, it is a human, I just do not believe it's a person. I like the law we have now.
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2/26/2013 7:43:16 PM
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At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.

In that case are you against the death penalty?
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2/26/2013 9:16:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 2:32:55 PM, dreamm wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.


There has been a lot of mention concerning the life that fetus' are entitled too. My question for all of you is what about the rights of a woman? If a woman was sexually abused should she it still be illegal for her to have an abortion? Would you classify abortion as a human right?

Obvioulsy, living in an imperfect world, there are going to be imperfect answers. However, I do, due to scientific reasons I explained in my previous post, hold all humans to be equal, no matter what stage of development they are in. I believe that everyone is entitled to the right to life, not the right to end a life. And yes, abortion is ending a life, as the fetus is living. So no, I don't consider abortion a right. It might seem callous to say that, if a woman is sexually abused, but I consider it worse to end the life of a human, for reasons he/she had nothing to do with.

The only time I would be ok with abortion would be if the mother's life is in danger. For example, a fallopian tube pregnancy (forget the medical term) would end the Mother's life, and the fetus would obviously die regardless of whether or not it's aborted. In this case, it's obviously better to save the Mother's life, rather than lose both.
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2/26/2013 9:18:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 3:57:49 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.

You really think this: http://scm-l3.technorati.com... possesses anything that should entitle it to a right to life?

100 years ago, people would say the same thing about black people. What are your standards for human rights? The way they look?
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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2/26/2013 9:20:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 7:15:14 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.

My skin cells are living too. They have DNA and genetic make up of a human being.

They have the make up of human skin cells, but not of a homo sapien.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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2/26/2013 9:20:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 7:43:16 PM, rogue wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:48:47 AM, EvanK wrote:
Despite being non religious, I am pro life.

Most people I discuss this with, who are pro choice, approach this from a philosophical point of view. They say that only "persons" have a right to life, and because a fetus isn't a "person", per se, because it cannot think or communicate or survive. But I look at it from a scientific point of view. Since the right to life is a human right, I do believe fetuses are entitled to it. They are living (you are either living, or not living. There is no in between) and they have the DNA and Genetic make up of a human being, they are simply in another stage of development than we are. Just because it doesn't look like us, doesn't mean it isn't a human. Those are my reasons, anyway.

In that case are you against the death penalty?

Yes. I haven't updated on my profile, but yes I am.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain