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ChubbyFatz
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3/1/2013 3:49:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hello everyone i am new to Debate.Org....I've been reading many debates, posts and other things on here. It's pretty interesting. One thing I've come to find out is there are alot of different parties. Now I always figured as a middle class male I am Democrat and usually I side with there point of views. But I have seen so many other parties. I am going to list my pros and cons and can someone tell me what matches my beliefs and why?

Sorry if this is stupid but it would really help. Please don't troll, looking for honest feedback. Thanks in advance.

Pro -
Animal Rights

Border Fence

Euthanasia - I am assuming this is giving people the right to put animals to sleep. If they are a menace, i.e. attacked someone OR sickly I agree with it.

Gun Rights - With a lot of caveats such as age limit of course, having the person take a psyche test along with anyone else living in the household and other important restrictions needed

Medical Marijuana

Minimum Wage

Racial Profiling

Social Security

Medicare and Medicaid

Welfare

Con -
Abortion unless in cases of rape

Affirmative Action - I believe this is hiring someone based on the persons race, religion, gender etc. I don't believe in this if that's the case

Death Penalty

Drug Legalization for recreational use

Electoral College - Think it should be majority

Gay Marriage

Smoking Ban

War on Terror - It's long overdue we end this

Torture

Things I am undecided on or don't know too much about -

Capitalism
Environmental Protection
Free Trade
National Retail Sales Tax
National Health Care
Progressive Tax
Stimulus Spending
Estate Tax
Global Warming
Socialism
Redistribution
Social Programs

So please help me in that I understand things correctly and exactly what party do I fit and why? How does my beliefs fit with that part or differ with that party?

What party am I definitely not and why? Any similarities at all in that particular party?

Please everyone's help is greatly appreciated.

Thank you once again!
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3/1/2013 3:52:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Euthanasia is physician assisted suicide.
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3/1/2013 3:57:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You don't seem like you fit into any party I know of. Democrats would be the closest to you I would think.
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3/1/2013 3:59:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Oh well I don't think a doctor should dictate if a person should die or not. The person has the right to live. Now if the person is on life support whoever is the one in charge has every right to pull the plug or not.

The doctor should not take someone out on his own should be up to the patient or the power of attorney.

Guess I am against it.
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3/1/2013 4:00:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
As for the rest of it, you seem to be all over the map.
I'd suggest taking one of the many online tests that fits you best to a party.
I personally like the Nolan Chart
http://www.nolanchart.com...
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3/1/2013 4:01:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 3:59:17 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
Oh well I don't think a doctor should dictate if a person should die or not. The person has the right to live. Now if the person is on life support whoever is the one in charge has every right to pull the plug or not.

The doctor should not take someone out on his own should be up to the patient or the power of attorney.

Guess I am against it.

You seem very subjective.

I would say you are a Neoliberal.
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3/1/2013 4:02:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 3:59:17 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
Oh well I don't think a doctor should dictate if a person should die or not. The person has the right to live. Now if the person is on life support whoever is the one in charge has every right to pull the plug or not.

The doctor should not take someone out on his own should be up to the patient or the power of attorney.

Guess I am against it.

It's if someone wants to kill themselves, allowing a doctor to help them kill themselves.
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3/1/2013 4:05:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Actually looking at it I'd say you're a Statist.
Con economic, social and civil liberties.
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3/1/2013 4:05:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 4:02:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/1/2013 3:59:17 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
Oh well I don't think a doctor should dictate if a person should die or not. The person has the right to live. Now if the person is on life support whoever is the one in charge has every right to pull the plug or not.

The doctor should not take someone out on his own should be up to the patient or the power of attorney.

Guess I am against it.

It's if someone wants to kill themselves, allowing a doctor to help them kill themselves.

Based on this I say...no way unless they are suffering and in pain and there is no cure or getting better.
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3/1/2013 4:07:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 4:05:25 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/1/2013 4:02:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/1/2013 3:59:17 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
Oh well I don't think a doctor should dictate if a person should die or not. The person has the right to live. Now if the person is on life support whoever is the one in charge has every right to pull the plug or not.

The doctor should not take someone out on his own should be up to the patient or the power of attorney.

Guess I am against it.

It's if someone wants to kill themselves, allowing a doctor to help them kill themselves.

Based on this I say...no way unless they are suffering and in pain and there is no cure or getting better.

I actually gave a poor definition, what you just described is textbook Euthanasia.
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3/1/2013 4:19:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 4:00:49 PM, lewis20 wrote:
As for the rest of it, you seem to be all over the map.
I'd suggest taking one of the many online tests that fits you best to a party.
I personally like the Nolan Chart
http://www.nolanchart.com...

Based on the Nolan chart I am a Statist.
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3/1/2013 4:21:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 4:19:08 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/1/2013 4:00:49 PM, lewis20 wrote:
As for the rest of it, you seem to be all over the map.
I'd suggest taking one of the many online tests that fits you best to a party.
I personally like the Nolan Chart
http://www.nolanchart.com...


Based on the Nolan chart I am a Statist.

Nailed it, stay on the website and you'll be a libertarian in no time.
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3/1/2013 4:30:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 4:21:20 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/1/2013 4:19:08 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/1/2013 4:00:49 PM, lewis20 wrote:
As for the rest of it, you seem to be all over the map.
I'd suggest taking one of the many online tests that fits you best to a party.
I personally like the Nolan Chart
http://www.nolanchart.com...


Based on the Nolan chart I am a Statist.

Nailed it, stay on the website and you'll be a libertarian in no time.

What are libertarians strong beliefs and disbeliefs?

What are conservatives strong beliefs and disbeliefs?

What are liberal strong beliefs and disbeliefs?

Thanks so much for the help everyone..looking more into this and Lewis thanks for the Nolan link too.
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3/1/2013 4:33:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 4:30:27 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/1/2013 4:21:20 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/1/2013 4:19:08 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/1/2013 4:00:49 PM, lewis20 wrote:
As for the rest of it, you seem to be all over the map.
I'd suggest taking one of the many online tests that fits you best to a party.
I personally like the Nolan Chart
http://www.nolanchart.com...


Based on the Nolan chart I am a Statist.

Nailed it, stay on the website and you'll be a libertarian in no time.



What are libertarians strong beliefs and disbeliefs?

Libertarianism is the ideology that advocates minimalist government intervention in economic and social practices.

What are conservatives strong beliefs and disbeliefs?

Pro religious fascism.

What are liberal strong beliefs and disbeliefs?
Pro economic fascism.

Very objective. :)
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3/1/2013 4:41:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 3:49:19 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
Hello everyone i am new to Debate.Org....I've been reading many debates, posts and other things on here. It's pretty interesting. One thing I've come to find out is there are alot of different parties. Now I always figured as a middle class male I am Democrat and usually I side with there point of views. But I have seen so many other parties. I am going to list my pros and cons and can someone tell me what matches my beliefs and why?

Sorry if this is stupid but it would really help. Please don't troll, looking for honest feedback. Thanks in advance.

Pro -
Animal Rights

Border Fence

Euthanasia - I am assuming this is giving people the right to put animals to sleep. If they are a menace, i.e. attacked someone OR sickly I agree with it.

Gun Rights - With a lot of caveats such as age limit of course, having the person take a psyche test along with anyone else living in the household and other important restrictions needed

Medical Marijuana

Minimum Wage

Racial Profiling

Social Security

Medicare and Medicaid

Welfare













Con -
Abortion unless in cases of rape

Affirmative Action - I believe this is hiring someone based on the persons race, religion, gender etc. I don't believe in this if that's the case

Death Penalty

Drug Legalization for recreational use

Electoral College - Think it should be majority

Gay Marriage

Smoking Ban

War on Terror - It's long overdue we end this

Torture













Things I am undecided on or don't know too much about -

Capitalism
Environmental Protection
Free Trade
National Retail Sales Tax
National Health Care
Progressive Tax
Stimulus Spending
Estate Tax
Global Warming
Socialism
Redistribution
Social Programs


So please help me in that I understand things correctly and exactly what party do I fit and why? How does my beliefs fit with that part or differ with that party?

What party am I definitely not and why? Any similarities at all in that particular party?


Please everyone's help is greatly appreciated.

Thank you once again!

Be an individual and be a member of no political party. You are no better than it's worst member. In other words you are equal to Maxine Waters in intellect and judgement if you want to join the Democratic Party. She is held in high regard and a ranking member of the Democrtic party. So if you want to put yourself in the same itellectualcatagory as Maxine Waters by all means join the Democratic party.

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It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

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3/1/2013 4:49:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You are a Democrat. Harry Reid is anti-abortion and endorsed by the National Rifle Association, and none doubts that he's a Democrat. The litmus issues have to do with favoring a nanny state.

There is no pressing need to associate with one Party or another. You can be independent or just undecided.
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3/1/2013 4:57:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 4:49:04 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
You are a Democrat. Harry Reid is anti-abortion and endorsed by the National Rifle Association, and none doubts that he's a Democrat. The litmus issues have to do with favoring a nanny state.

There is no pressing need to associate with one Party or another. You can be independent or just undecided.

What about con abortion and gay marriage as well? Those two issues seem to carry hugely disproportionate weight when it comes to politics. Or they are pushed more by the media because of their tendency to hurt Republicans.
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3/1/2013 9:49:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
My guess would be that you are a moderate Republican. But since there are only a few moderate Republicans left in the GOP, I believe that you would fit rather good in Independent or Democratic Party.

Tea Party won't welcome you.
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3/1/2013 9:51:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 9:49:43 PM, TheElderScroll wrote:
My guess would be that you are a moderate Republican. But since there are only a few moderate Republicans left in the GOP, I believe that you would fit rather good in Independent or Democratic Party.

Tea Party won't welcome you.

Moderate Republican, Moderate Democrat = statist.
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3/1/2013 10:20:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 9:51:55 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/1/2013 9:49:43 PM, TheElderScroll wrote:
My guess would be that you are a moderate Republican. But since there are only a few moderate Republicans left in the GOP, I believe that you would fit rather good in Independent or Democratic Party.

Tea Party won't welcome you.

Moderate Republican, Moderate Democrat = statist.

Elaborate please?
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3/1/2013 10:36:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 10:20:01 PM, TheElderScroll wrote:
At 3/1/2013 9:51:55 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/1/2013 9:49:43 PM, TheElderScroll wrote:
My guess would be that you are a moderate Republican. But since there are only a few moderate Republicans left in the GOP, I believe that you would fit rather good in Independent or Democratic Party.

Tea Party won't welcome you.

Moderate Republican, Moderate Democrat = statist.

Elaborate please?

Moderate is a cop out word for politicians who don't have any principles. Moderates will grow the government, expand the military and shrink any and all civil freedoms and or liberties.
It's the extremists calling for actual reduction to the budget, reform of drug laws, tax reform, civil liberties, humble foreign policy and allowing gay people to get married and call it whatever they want.
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3/1/2013 11:02:16 PM
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At 3/1/2013 10:36:17 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Moderate is a cop out word for politicians who don't have any principles. Moderates will grow the government, expand the military and shrink any and all civil freedoms and or liberties.
It's the extremists calling for actual reduction to the budget, reform of drug laws, tax reform, civil liberties, humble foreign policy and allowing gay people to get married and call it whatever they want.

With all due respect, moderates are no way close to what you have branded them with. Moderates consider the art of compromise the golden rule in the political arena. They hold the principle that nation should nether move too fast, nor too slow. They strike the balance between the far-left and far-right. For example, they may endorse the notion of civil union, but they may not be willing to fully embrace the gay-marriage equality out of concerns for the American history. They hold liberties to their hearts while also acknowledging the limitation of personal freedom. Therefore, why should people treat moderates with contempt?
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3/1/2013 11:09:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 11:02:16 PM, TheElderScroll wrote:
At 3/1/2013 10:36:17 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Moderate is a cop out word for politicians who don't have any principles. Moderates will grow the government, expand the military and shrink any and all civil freedoms and or liberties.
It's the extremists calling for actual reduction to the budget, reform of drug laws, tax reform, civil liberties, humble foreign policy and allowing gay people to get married and call it whatever they want.

With all due respect, moderates are no way close to what you have branded them with. Moderates consider the art of compromise the golden rule in the political arena. They hold the principle that nation should nether move too fast, nor too slow. They strike the balance between the far-left and far-right. For example, they may endorse the notion of civil union, but they may not be willing to fully embrace the gay-marriage equality out of concerns for the American history. They hold liberties to their hearts while also acknowledging the limitation of personal freedom. Therefore, why should people treat moderates with contempt?

Because any time period would consider them radical, and the future time period will see the moderates as radicals of the past. People who support the status quo really aren't thinking hard about these issues and just going along with the cultural norms. The probability of the status quote being "correct" is pratically nil considering how it seems every time period, people were wrong. That's why moderates suck.
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3/1/2013 11:28:57 PM
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At 3/1/2013 10:36:17 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Moderate is a cop out word for politicians who don't have any principles. Moderates will grow the government, expand the military and shrink any and all civil freedoms and or liberties.
It's the extremists calling for actual reduction to the budget, reform of drug laws, tax reform, civil liberties, humble foreign policy and allowing gay people to get married and call it whatever they want.

There is little that annoys me more then this mindset. Just because one explicitly chooses one side over the other doesn't mean that they have more values. If anything I would say they have less, otherwise they wouldn't be so quick to disregard the opposing point of view.
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3/1/2013 11:34:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 11:09:11 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Because any time period would consider them radical, and the future time period will see the moderates as radicals of the past. People who support the status quo really aren't thinking hard about these issues and just going along with the cultural norms. The probability of the status quote being "correct" is pratically nil considering how it seems every time period, people were wrong. That's why moderates suck.

As a blanket statement, that is blatantly false. The status quo isn't formed because someone told everyone else to go by it. It is because that represents what the majority of people believe, and if the majority of people believe something there is probably a good reason for it.

I am not really sure how anything you said apply's to moderates. Times change. The radicals of today may become the moderates of tomorrow and vice versa. I think Reagan would be considered a moderate today.
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3/1/2013 11:49:00 PM
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At 3/1/2013 4:05:25 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/1/2013 4:02:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/1/2013 3:59:17 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
Oh well I don't think a doctor should dictate if a person should die or not. The person has the right to live. Now if the person is on life support whoever is the one in charge has every right to pull the plug or not.

The doctor should not take someone out on his own should be up to the patient or the power of attorney.

Guess I am against it.

It's if someone wants to kill themselves, allowing a doctor to help them kill themselves.

Based on this I say...no way unless they are suffering and in pain and there is no cure or getting better.

Which is what most Euthanasia laws state.
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3/1/2013 11:49:28 PM
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At 3/1/2013 4:19:08 PM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/1/2013 4:00:49 PM, lewis20 wrote:
As for the rest of it, you seem to be all over the map.
I'd suggest taking one of the many online tests that fits you best to a party.
I personally like the Nolan Chart
http://www.nolanchart.com...


Based on the Nolan chart I am a Statist.

Stick with me, I'll protect you.
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3/2/2013 12:11:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 11:34:38 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 3/1/2013 11:09:11 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Because any time period would consider them radical, and the future time period will see the moderates as radicals of the past. People who support the status quo really aren't thinking hard about these issues and just going along with the cultural norms. The probability of the status quote being "correct" is pratically nil considering how it seems every time period, people were wrong. That's why moderates suck.

As a blanket statement, that is blatantly false. The status quo isn't formed because someone told everyone else to go by it. It is because that represents what the majority of people believe, and if the majority of people believe something there is probably a good reason for it.

I am not really sure how anything you said apply's to moderates. Times change. The radicals of today may become the moderates of tomorrow and vice versa. I think Reagan would be considered a moderate today.

I would have to agree at least partially with Dark. Most "moderates" or light-leaning people (either left or right) are likely that way because they have not put much thought into it, their lives have other things that are more important to them. Though I would disagree that moderates and the status quo is nearly always wrong, as that would require some objective right and wrong. Really, there is an ever changing climate and history books are filled with the times of struggle and conflict, namely where the climate changes and the politics does not. But history is filled with times where there is little going on and so little is recorded, saved, and studied by future generations.
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3/2/2013 12:19:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 11:09:11 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Because any time period would consider them radical, and the future time period will see the moderates as radicals of the past. People who support the status quo really aren't thinking hard about these issues and just going along with the cultural norms. The probability of the status quote being "correct" is pratically nil considering how it seems every time period, people were wrong. That's why moderates suck.

I couldn"t disagree more. When talking about changes, "The first rule is not to lose. The second rule is not to forget the first rule." Moderates support the status quo, because the prevailing social normal would allow the American people to "not to lose." Risk comes from not knowing what you are doing. Moving too fast or too far (either left or right) would entangle people with unnecessary risks.
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3/2/2013 1:07:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/1/2013 11:28:57 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 3/1/2013 10:36:17 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Moderate is a cop out word for politicians who don't have any principles. Moderates will grow the government, expand the military and shrink any and all civil freedoms and or liberties.
It's the extremists calling for actual reduction to the budget, reform of drug laws, tax reform, civil liberties, humble foreign policy and allowing gay people to get married and call it whatever they want.

There is little that annoys me more then this mindset. Just because one explicitly chooses one side over the other doesn't mean that they have more values. If anything I would say they have less, otherwise they wouldn't be so quick to disregard the opposing point of view.

It's not like the sides are 100% opposite and neither side has an obligation not to evolve. However moderates, as they stand now, simply support the status quo, military spending, out of control deficits, entitlement reform, tax reform, civil liberties. Moderate has come to mean the status quo.
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