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3/5/2013 9:26:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
With the death of this dictator, a new facet may open soon in Latin America!!! Thanks God this dictator is gone!!!!!!!!
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3/5/2013 9:37:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/5/2013 9:26:39 PM, Aned wrote:
With the death of this dictator, a new facet may open soon in Latin America!!! Thanks God this dictator is gone!!!!!!!!

All the people in NYC, and everywhere else in the US, to whom he gives free heating oil probably aren't going to be so pleased.

So, how does one become a dictator after being elected? Just curious.
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3/5/2013 9:46:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/5/2013 9:37:26 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/5/2013 9:26:39 PM, Aned wrote:
With the death of this dictator, a new facet may open soon in Latin America!!! Thanks God this dictator is gone!!!!!!!!

All the people in NYC, and everywhere else in the US, to whom he gives free heating oil probably aren't going to be so pleased.

So, how does one become a dictator after being elected? Just curious.

when they use govt. powers to lean on their political opponents, clamp down on dissent, and basically do their best to rig elections.
http://www.cnn.com...
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3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.
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3/5/2013 11:47:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/5/2013 9:46:59 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 3/5/2013 9:37:26 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/5/2013 9:26:39 PM, Aned wrote:
With the death of this dictator, a new facet may open soon in Latin America!!! Thanks God this dictator is gone!!!!!!!!

All the people in NYC, and everywhere else in the US, to whom he gives free heating oil probably aren't going to be so pleased.

So, how does one become a dictator after being elected? Just curious.

when they use govt. powers to lean on their political opponents, clamp down on dissent, and basically do their best to rig elections.
http://www.cnn.com...

Read your CNN link again. This time, instead of Venezuela, replace it with The United States of America.

With the exception of the uncorroborated claims of losses of police protection and murders (not by the government), what does the Venezuelan government do that the US government doesn't, as far as elections are concerned.

Jimmy Carter called the '92 election that he monitored in Venezuela, "the best in the world."

http://www.guardian.co.uk...

Don't believe the hype. Venezuela is still an emerging economy, so they have the same issues of violence that any country with a larger percentage of poor people would have, but you gotta consider the position they were in prior to Chavez's rise to power.

Chavez was a good leader who cared about the people of South America, and didn't like US Foreign Policy in South America.

People and governments in the middle east don't like US Foreign Policy in the middle east.

People and governments in Africa don't like US Foreign Policy in Africa.

People and governments in most of Asia don't like US Foreign Policy in Asia.

And, if there were countries in Antarctica, I can guaran-f*cking-tee you that those people and governments wouldn't like US Foreign Policy either.

Chavez criticized the US and he advocated for the people of South America. He single-handedly saved Argentina from the IMF and the same fate as the Greeks are facing currently.

I wish we had a leader who advocated as hard for us as Chavez advocated for his people. I'd vote for him as well.
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3/5/2013 11:50:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.

Death and taxes...

If someone is an @sshole, their death should be celebrated.

If someone's death signals that less people will die violent deaths, for instance, then their death should be celebrated.

I'm not saying that's the case here, but all life is not precious. Only the lives of precious people are.
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3/6/2013 12:10:59 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/5/2013 9:26:39 PM, Aned wrote:
With the death of this dictator, a new facet may open soon in Latin America!!! Thanks God this dictator is gone!!!!!!!!

I don't usually go in for abject name calling, but in your case it's altogether called for and condign to make an exception. You're a moron.
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3/6/2013 12:16:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.

One big word popped into my head when reading this....wanna know what it was?

WHY?
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3/6/2013 12:39:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/5/2013 11:50:01 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.

Death and taxes...

If someone is an @sshole, their death should be celebrated.

Said *sshole had a family that weren't such. Said *sshole, while maybe being an *sshole, is still a person. All persons are worthy of dignity and respect. All lives are grievable and precarious. A death isn't something to be celebrated, but mourned.

If someone's death signals that less people will die violent deaths, for instance, then their death should be celebrated.

Less death is something to celebrate, sure. But the death of a person, even if their death caused less people to die, doesn't deserve celebration, but rather mourning. A life is still a life, regardless of who that life inhabits.

I'm not saying that's the case here, but all life is not precious. Only the lives of precious people are.

All life IS precarious and grievable. Even the criminal and the rapist's deaths are as grievable as the ministers and the child's.
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3/6/2013 12:39:46 AM
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At 3/6/2013 12:16:29 AM, OberHerr wrote:

One big word popped into my head when reading this....wanna know what it was?

WHY?

Someone had to say it.
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3/6/2013 12:46:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 12:39:46 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:16:29 AM, OberHerr wrote:

One big word popped into my head when reading this....wanna know what it was?

WHY?

Someone had to say it.

No, I mean why should I mourn him, why is every life, no matter what, so precious?

Where are you getting this from?
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3/6/2013 12:48:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 12:46:39 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:39:46 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:16:29 AM, OberHerr wrote:

One big word popped into my head when reading this....wanna know what it was?

WHY?

Someone had to say it.

No, I mean why should I mourn him, why is every life, no matter what, so precious?

Where are you getting this from?

Hey. No. That's my thing that I do.
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3/6/2013 12:52:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 12:39:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/5/2013 11:50:01 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.

Death and taxes...

If someone is an @sshole, their death should be celebrated.

Said *sshole had a family that weren't such. Said *sshole, while maybe being an *sshole, is still a person. All persons are worthy of dignity and respect. All lives are grievable and precarious. A death isn't something to be celebrated, but mourned.

My grandmother was a detestable c*nt. She used a rape perpetrated on my mother at the age of 14yo to control and demean her throughout her life.

She died recently. No one mourned.

Mourning and grief imply loss. Sometimes, when people die, the world, and even their families, are better off.

Now, sure, the mother of a rapist is going to mourn her child's death, and I certainly wouldn't be so bold or rude as to celebrate that same death in front of her, but there is a good chance I would celebrate it away from her.

If someone's death signals that less people will die violent deaths, for instance, then their death should be celebrated.

Less death is something to celebrate, sure. But the death of a person, even if their death caused less people to die, doesn't deserve celebration, but rather mourning. A life is still a life, regardless of who that life inhabits.

All life is not of equal value. People add value depending on their actions throughout life. There is no forum in the world where one person is valued the same as another person when they are alive, not even in church (the priest is obviously more valued than the parishioners.).

Why is it that, in death, you believe this should change?

I'm not saying that's the case here, but all life is not precious. Only the lives of precious people are.

All life IS precarious and grievable. Even the criminal and the rapist's deaths are as grievable as the ministers and the child's.

All life is pointless and laughable, but that's just what I think, personally. It has nothing to do with what you just stated, but I made my argument contrary to your statements above, and I like to wrap things up and end with a bang, so that's what I'm doing here. You should pay little attention to it. It's just me being me.
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3/6/2013 1:02:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.

Thank you.
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3/6/2013 1:06:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/5/2013 11:47:08 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/5/2013 9:46:59 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 3/5/2013 9:37:26 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/5/2013 9:26:39 PM, Aned wrote:
With the death of this dictator, a new facet may open soon in Latin America!!! Thanks God this dictator is gone!!!!!!!!

All the people in NYC, and everywhere else in the US, to whom he gives free heating oil probably aren't going to be so pleased.

So, how does one become a dictator after being elected? Just curious.

when they use govt. powers to lean on their political opponents, clamp down on dissent, and basically do their best to rig elections.
http://www.cnn.com...

Read your CNN link again. This time, instead of Venezuela, replace it with The United States of America.

With the exception of the uncorroborated claims of losses of police protection and murders (not by the government), what does the Venezuelan government do that the US government doesn't, as far as elections are concerned.

Jimmy Carter called the '92 election that he monitored in Venezuela, "the best in the world."

http://www.guardian.co.uk...

Don't believe the hype. Venezuela is still an emerging economy, so they have the same issues of violence that any country with a larger percentage of poor people would have, but you gotta consider the position they were in prior to Chavez's rise to power.

Chavez was a good leader who cared about the people of South America, and didn't like US Foreign Policy in South America.

People and governments in the middle east don't like US Foreign Policy in the middle east.

People and governments in Africa don't like US Foreign Policy in Africa.

People and governments in most of Asia don't like US Foreign Policy in Asia.

And, if there were countries in Antarctica, I can guaran-f*cking-tee you that those people and governments wouldn't like US Foreign Policy either.

Chavez criticized the US and he advocated for the people of South America. He single-handedly saved Argentina from the IMF and the same fate as the Greeks are facing currently.

I wish we had a leader who advocated as hard for us as Chavez advocated for his people. I'd vote for him as well.
Yes, they are in a better position, even though people are fleeing Venezuela because they don't want to be killed, have their homes destroyed or property confiscated. And the people that are unfortunate enough to remain in the country that dare speak out out against him fear for their lives, while the government cracks down on media stations that put forth any political ideas contrary to Chavez's.

Chavez cared only about himself. He was not popularly elected. He was a socialist dictator that moved Venezuela evermore towards communism. The crime rates are a disaster, there were shortages of food, power and housing because of his price controls. He pays lip service about caring for the poor only because it gives him the excuse to confiscate property and give himself more power.

He's militarized their government. He supported narco-terrorists and their attempts to destabilize our ally, Colombia. Corruption flourished in his administration. Inflation is rampant. He aligned his country with our enemies Iran, Syria and Cuba. Chavez was obviously a thug.

Here's a big hint for ya -- people do not risk their lives to flee a country that has a GOOD leader.
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3/6/2013 1:07:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 12:52:02 AM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:39:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/5/2013 11:50:01 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.

Death and taxes...

If someone is an @sshole, their death should be celebrated.

Said *sshole had a family that weren't such. Said *sshole, while maybe being an *sshole, is still a person. All persons are worthy of dignity and respect. All lives are grievable and precarious. A death isn't something to be celebrated, but mourned.

My grandmother was a detestable c*nt. She used a rape perpetrated on my mother at the age of 14yo to control and demean her throughout her life.

She died recently. No one mourned.

Mourning and grief imply loss. Sometimes, when people die, the world, and even their families, are better off.

Now, sure, the mother of a rapist is going to mourn her child's death, and I certainly wouldn't be so bold or rude as to celebrate that same death in front of her, but there is a good chance I would celebrate it away from her.

If someone's death signals that less people will die violent deaths, for instance, then their death should be celebrated.
It doesn't matter. Hate the sin, not the sinner. They should be stopped, sure. But should they die? Celebrating his death would be the same as celebrating the death of someone who was murdered by a serial killer. It doesn't matter who the person was. What matters is that their life has ended.

Less death is something to celebrate, sure. But the death of a person, even if their death caused less people to die, doesn't deserve celebration, but rather mourning. A life is still a life, regardless of who that life inhabits.

All life is not of equal value. People add value depending on their actions throughout life. There is no forum in the world where one person is valued the same as another person when they are alive, not even in church (the priest is obviously more valued than the parishioners.).

Why is it that, in death, you believe this should change?
Because death is the loss of life. It's the end.

I'm not saying that's the case here, but all life is not precious. Only the lives of precious people are.

All life IS precarious and grievable. Even the criminal and the rapist's deaths are as grievable as the ministers and the child's.

All life is pointless and laughable, but that's just what I think, personally. It has nothing to do with what you just stated, but I made my argument contrary to your statements above, and I like to wrap things up and end with a bang, so that's what I'm doing here. You should pay little attention to it. It's just me being me.

So why are you celebrating his death? Even if he killed others their lives don't mean anything anyways according to you.
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3/6/2013 1:10:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 12:46:39 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:39:46 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:16:29 AM, OberHerr wrote:

One big word popped into my head when reading this....wanna know what it was?

WHY?

Someone had to say it.

No, I mean why should I mourn him, why is every life, no matter what, so precious?

Where are you getting this from?

Read up on Judith Butler. Good philosophy there.
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3/6/2013 1:10:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 12:48:29 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:46:39 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:39:46 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:16:29 AM, OberHerr wrote:

One big word popped into my head when reading this....wanna know what it was?

WHY?

Someone had to say it.

No, I mean why should I mourn him, why is every life, no matter what, so precious?

Where are you getting this from?

Hey. No. That's my thing that I do.

o.O What is this I don't even
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3/6/2013 1:13:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 1:10:08 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:46:39 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:39:46 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:16:29 AM, OberHerr wrote:

One big word popped into my head when reading this....wanna know what it was?

WHY?

Someone had to say it.

No, I mean why should I mourn him, why is every life, no matter what, so precious?

Where are you getting this from?

Read up on Judith Butler. Good philosophy there.

When you put it that way, it sounds deceptively easy. :P
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3/6/2013 1:15:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 12:52:02 AM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:39:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/5/2013 11:50:01 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.

Death and taxes...

If someone is an @sshole, their death should be celebrated.

Said *sshole had a family that weren't such. Said *sshole, while maybe being an *sshole, is still a person. All persons are worthy of dignity and respect. All lives are grievable and precarious. A death isn't something to be celebrated, but mourned.

My grandmother was a detestable c*nt. She used a rape perpetrated on my mother at the age of 14yo to control and demean her throughout her life.

She died recently. No one mourned.

Mourning and grief imply loss.

There is always loss. When someone dies, their grievability is lost. In order for a life to be grievable, it has to be. I can't grieve for person x if person x never existed in the first place. If life is, then it is grievable. Once we die, that grievability is lost, which is why death is something to celebrate, but rather mourn. There is always something lost.

Sometimes, when people die, the world, and even their families, are better off.

Irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Now, sure, the mother of a rapist is going to mourn her child's death, and I certainly wouldn't be so bold or rude as to celebrate that same death in front of her, but there is a good chance I would celebrate it away from her.

Refer to the last sentence of my response to the OP.

If someone's death signals that less people will die violent deaths, for instance, then their death should be celebrated.

Less death is something to celebrate, sure. But the death of a person, even if their death caused less people to die, doesn't deserve celebration, but rather mourning. A life is still a life, regardless of who that life inhabits.

All life is not of equal value. People add value depending on their actions throughout life. There is no forum in the world where one person is valued the same as another person when they are alive, not even in church (the priest is obviously more valued than the parishioners.).

Why is it that, in death, you believe this should change?

Where do I say that all life has the same value? Answer: I don't. The only things that my life and your life share in common is that they are both grievable. Other values and things completely miss the point I'm getting at here.

I'm not saying that's the case here, but all life is not precious. Only the lives of precious people are.

All life IS precarious and grievable. Even the criminal and the rapist's deaths are as grievable as the ministers and the child's.

All life is pointless and laughable, but that's just what I think, personally. It has nothing to do with what you just stated, but I made my argument contrary to your statements above, and I like to wrap things up and end with a bang, so that's what I'm doing here. You should pay little attention to it. It's just me being me.
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3/6/2013 1:15:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 1:13:25 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 3/6/2013 1:10:08 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:46:39 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:39:46 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:16:29 AM, OberHerr wrote:

One big word popped into my head when reading this....wanna know what it was?

WHY?

Someone had to say it.

No, I mean why should I mourn him, why is every life, no matter what, so precious?

Where are you getting this from?

Read up on Judith Butler. Good philosophy there.

When you put it that way, it sounds deceptively easy. :P

xD Psssssh. Ontology? Piece o' cake xD
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3/6/2013 1:20:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 1:07:42 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:52:02 AM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:39:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/5/2013 11:50:01 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.

Death and taxes...

If someone is an @sshole, their death should be celebrated.

Said *sshole had a family that weren't such. Said *sshole, while maybe being an *sshole, is still a person. All persons are worthy of dignity and respect. All lives are grievable and precarious. A death isn't something to be celebrated, but mourned.

My grandmother was a detestable c*nt. She used a rape perpetrated on my mother at the age of 14yo to control and demean her throughout her life.

She died recently. No one mourned.

Mourning and grief imply loss. Sometimes, when people die, the world, and even their families, are better off.

Now, sure, the mother of a rapist is going to mourn her child's death, and I certainly wouldn't be so bold or rude as to celebrate that same death in front of her, but there is a good chance I would celebrate it away from her.

If someone's death signals that less people will die violent deaths, for instance, then their death should be celebrated.
It doesn't matter. Hate the sin, not the sinner. They should be stopped, sure. But should they die? Celebrating his death would be the same as celebrating the death of someone who was murdered by a serial killer. It doesn't matter who the person was. What matters is that their life has ended.

I don't hate anyone, nor usually anything. I didn't wish for, nor did I do anything to facilitate, the hastening of my grandmother's death. I simply did not mourn, and actually somewhat celebrated, after it happened.

What matters is that her life ended...I agree. It matters because she can no longer torture my mother with her sadistic nature. As Martha Stewart would say, "it's a good thing."

Less death is something to celebrate, sure. But the death of a person, even if their death caused less people to die, doesn't deserve celebration, but rather mourning. A life is still a life, regardless of who that life inhabits.

All life is not of equal value. People add value depending on their actions throughout life. There is no forum in the world where one person is valued the same as another person when they are alive, not even in church (the priest is obviously more valued than the parishioners.).

Why is it that, in death, you believe this should change?
Because death is the loss of life. It's the end.

So, treat people according to their value when they are alive, but as soon as they are dead, erase everything they've done in their life, good or bad, and treat them all the same?

No thank you. I choose to raise up those who have died and lived good lives, and demean those who have not.

Just like when they're alive.

I'm not saying that's the case here, but all life is not precious. Only the lives of precious people are.

All life IS precarious and grievable. Even the criminal and the rapist's deaths are as grievable as the ministers and the child's.

All life is pointless and laughable, but that's just what I think, personally. It has nothing to do with what you just stated, but I made my argument contrary to your statements above, and I like to wrap things up and end with a bang, so that's what I'm doing here. You should pay little attention to it. It's just me being me.

So why are you celebrating his death? Even if he killed others their lives don't mean anything anyways according to you.

I'm not celebrating anyone's death. I think Chavez was a good leader for Venezuela, and I think people here are demeaning him because of a lot of propaganda they've been fed which has little to do with the actual leader that Chavez was.

I simply do not believe that the act of celebrating one's death is necessarily wrong. I think it's wrong here, because most people have a warped sense of who Chavez was, mostly due to his distaste for Bush 43, but I don't always believe it to be wrong.
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3/6/2013 1:21:57 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 1:06:21 AM, 1Percenter wrote:

Here's a big hint for ya -- people do not risk their lives to flee a country that has a GOOD leader.

criminals would. criminals are people, too.
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3/6/2013 1:32:41 AM
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At 3/6/2013 1:15:23 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:52:02 AM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:39:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/5/2013 11:50:01 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.

Death and taxes...

If someone is an @sshole, their death should be celebrated.

Said *sshole had a family that weren't such. Said *sshole, while maybe being an *sshole, is still a person. All persons are worthy of dignity and respect. All lives are grievable and precarious. A death isn't something to be celebrated, but mourned.

My grandmother was a detestable c*nt. She used a rape perpetrated on my mother at the age of 14yo to control and demean her throughout her life.

She died recently. No one mourned.

Mourning and grief imply loss.

There is always loss. When someone dies, their grievability is lost. In order for a life to be grievable, it has to be. I can't grieve for person x if person x never existed in the first place. If life is, then it is grievable. Once we die, that grievability is lost, which is why death is something to celebrate, but rather mourn. There is always something lost.

No, what you're talking about is potential. Something is not grievable (you know that's not a word, right?) simply because it was. If no one grieves when they die, then they destroyed their potential grievability (I just want to see how far I can take it into non-wordom.)

Sometimes, when people die, the world, and even their families, are better off.

Irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Since the topic is Chavez, though I do not believe it to be the case with him, I'd say it is completely germane to the topic at hand.

Now, sure, the mother of a rapist is going to mourn her child's death, and I certainly wouldn't be so bold or rude as to celebrate that same death in front of her, but there is a good chance I would celebrate it away from her.

Refer to the last sentence of my response to the OP.

Hey now, I said I would be respectful to the person who was mourning. They may very well be a good person who is deserving of my mourning when they die, but if the person for whom they are mourning is not, then they will not be mourned by me (and, by the way, since I am unaware of like 99.99% of the deaths that occur each day, just as I imagine you are, almost no one who dies is mourned by me....big deal.). If they were of a particularly awful nature when they lived, and I also become aware of their death, it's party time, senorita.

If someone's death signals that less people will die violent deaths, for instance, then their death should be celebrated.

Less death is something to celebrate, sure. But the death of a person, even if their death caused less people to die, doesn't deserve celebration, but rather mourning. A life is still a life, regardless of who that life inhabits.

All life is not of equal value. People add value depending on their actions throughout life. There is no forum in the world where one person is valued the same as another person when they are alive, not even in church (the priest is obviously more valued than the parishioners.).

Why is it that, in death, you believe this should change?

Where do I say that all life has the same value? Answer: I don't. The only things that my life and your life share in common is that they are both grievable. Other values and things completely miss the point I'm getting at here.

YOU SAID, "a life is still a life". Represented mathematically, with life being the number L, it would be L=L.

And, you have no idea if my life is "grievable". What if my life was one of perfect ungrievability (I feel like that's as far as I can take that unword, but I'm gonna keep trying)?

Then what?

I'm not saying that's the case here, but all life is not precious. Only the lives of precious people are.

All life IS precarious and grievable. Even the criminal and the rapist's deaths are as grievable as the ministers and the child's.

All life is pointless and laughable, but that's just what I think, personally. It has nothing to do with what you just stated, but I made my argument contrary to your statements above, and I like to wrap things up and end with a bang, so that's what I'm doing here. You should pay little attention to it. It's just me being me.
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3/6/2013 1:42:40 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
@malcolm:

I feel that a lot of the trouble with you understanding my position is you don't quite get what I'm talking about.

How familiar are you with the works of Judith Butler?
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3/6/2013 3:29:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 1:42:40 AM, Zaradi wrote:
@malcolm:

I feel that a lot of the trouble with you understanding my position is you don't quite get what I'm talking about.

How familiar are you with the works of Judith Butler?

I know about her feminist stuff, and just that in what I've garnered from bits and pieces of listening to her talk in snippets on PBS and sh!t (by "and sh!t, I mean, things similar to PBS, if not PBS, as I may be remembering the exact nature of what I know of her incorrectly), ages ago...if we're talking about the same Judith Butler, which given how common a name it is, I suppose we may not be.

As far as I know, the Judith Butler I know of has put forth no work regarding the subject at hand, though again, I don't know a lot about her, and we could also be talking about two different people.

Regardless, I understand your point quite well (use of non-words notwithstanding). I simply disagree with it.

This says nothing of my opinion of you, as you seem quite pleasant. I just don't agree with the value you place on death (since you seem to not place the same value on life...and I don't place the same value on the lives of everyone either, so this is an area of agreeance :P ).
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3/6/2013 3:47:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 1:42:40 AM, Zaradi wrote:
@malcolm:

I feel that a lot of the trouble with you understanding my position is you don't quite get what I'm talking about.

How familiar are you with the works of Judith Butler?

Um...if we are talking about the same person, I think I'm falling in love with her (yes, I am aware of that which you are thinking...)

http://www.thenation.com...#
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3/6/2013 5:34:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.

This. Thank you for posting what I wanted to post.
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3/6/2013 8:59:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/5/2013 11:31:02 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I love how people cheer over the ending of someone's life whom they don't know, yet hear bad things about, yet when someone they know dies it's grief and misery. Fvcking hypocritical.

All life is worth grieving over. Even a rapist dying from cancer is worth shedding a tear over. You might napalm his grave right afterwards, but the life lost is still a life lost, and that's worth grieving.

So in a general response to the OP: Fvck you, prick.

Never understood people like you.
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3/6/2013 9:03:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hugo Chavez was an evil dictator, and his death is cause for celebration. Get off your high-horse. I don't care if you think everyone is worth crying over; I don't. Some people don't belong in this world, and their departure to eternal nothingness is a welcomed event.