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Wallstreetatheist
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3/6/2013 1:37:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Jacque Fresco is one of the most interesting people I've heard speak. I don't think his solution is effective at accomplishing his goals, but I'd be interested in seeing where a society functioning according to these ideas would function. This is why I want Voluntaryism: every voluntary society would be allowed an opportunity to flourish. Ones that suck (e.g. state-socialism) would fade into non-existence; ones that work well (e.g. Anarcho-Capitalism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, Mutualism, etc) would gain more support. Thoughts on the video or Voluntaryist societies?
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3/10/2013 6:42:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
His end goal is more than feasible; the framework is the only feasible way for humanity to meet their creative potential. His observations that most irrational behavior is born of conditioning is spot-on, as are his observance about such behavior leads to waste and, in general, bad decision-making. I guess it has some parallels with Marx's stateless communism.

What isn't guaranteed, or probably even likely, is that we will ever be able to transition to such system. The vast majority of people are hopelessly enslaved to their environment and our past, and there is little to be done to change that. Fresco is correct when he says that our current system is unsustainable and will implode. But pinning our hopes on this implosion leading to a better system is a long shot at best; he admits this readily. It's much more likely that things will turn out much worse than they are now.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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3/10/2013 7:05:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/10/2013 6:42:18 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
His end goal is more than feasible; the framework is the only feasible way for humanity to meet their creative potential. His observations that most irrational behavior is born of conditioning is spot-on, as are his observance about such behavior leads to waste and, in general, bad decision-making. I guess it has some parallels with Marx's stateless communism.

What isn't guaranteed, or probably even likely, is that we will ever be able to transition to such system. The vast majority of people are hopelessly enslaved to their environment and our past, and there is little to be done to change that. Fresco is correct when he says that our current system is unsustainable and will implode. But pinning our hopes on this implosion leading to a better system is a long shot at best; he admits this readily. It's much more likely that things will turn out much worse than they are now.

It's the only way change (REAL CHANGE) ever happens - through some set of circumstances which forces it.

Also, as far as his comments on war and Imperialism - war is over, if you want it.

OR

War isn't over until you want it.

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This guy is saying things which are identical to the things I say, SesameStreetAtheist (almost completely and continuously).

He's interesting.

I'm an idiot.

GOT IT.
War is over, if you want it.

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malcolmxy
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3/10/2013 7:16:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
A Patriot, in its earliest use, meant a son of the Fatherland.

In other words, a Patriot is a child of a country.

I am a child of America.

America = We, the people.

What does a child feel toward its parents? Love.

Therefore, if you can somehow show love/caring/compassion to your brothers and sisters in the American family, THAT is Patriotism.

Patriotism (true patriotism) isn't control. It's freedom. It's a process of unity which exists outside structure or artifice. Patriotism does not require support of government, and given the principals on which this country was founded, Patriotism may even require criticizing the government.

(*also, the "everyone wants nutrition...that's like one of my stock lines...I think I time traveled and wasn't allowed to tell me about it. I hope me and I can have a good laugh about this some day.*)
War is over, if you want it.

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