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3/27/2013 11:18:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Obama sells out U.S. citizens by signing Monsanto Protection Act into law

Using the deceptive title of Farmer Assurance Provision, Section 735 of this bill actually grants Monsanto immunity from federal courts pending the review of any GM crop that is thought to be dangerous.

Under the section, courts would be helpless to stop Monsanto from continuing to plant GMO crops that are thought -- even by the US government -- to be a danger to human health or our cherised environment.

http://www.examiner.com...
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3/27/2013 12:51:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

Alright... still doesn't mean we give Monsanto blanket immunity in federal court for no good reason.
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3/27/2013 1:05:23 PM
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At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

There is no one such thing as a GMO. Foods can be genetically modified in almost an infinite number of ways to suit certain characteristics. Even if we were to accept the (likely flawed) premise that all current GMOs are harmless, it doesn't grant immunity for future GMOs.
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3/27/2013 1:14:04 PM
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At 3/27/2013 12:51:25 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

Alright... still doesn't mean we give Monsanto blanket immunity in federal court for no good reason.

Did you even look this up before concluding that it was "blanket immunity for no good reason"?
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3/27/2013 1:23:51 PM
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At 3/27/2013 1:14:04 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 3/27/2013 12:51:25 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

Alright... still doesn't mean we give Monsanto blanket immunity in federal court for no good reason.

Did you even look this up before concluding that it was "blanket immunity for no good reason"?

Yes.
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3/27/2013 7:25:54 PM
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At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

Whether or not GMOs are dangerous depends ENTIRELY upon which genes are spliced into them. If more people could accept this simple fact we might be able to fully explore the potential of what is a promising technology. The frankenfoods aren't coming for you, but Monsanto doesn't have your well-being as their highest priority either.
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3/27/2013 9:51:31 PM
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At 3/27/2013 7:25:54 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

Whether or not GMOs are dangerous depends ENTIRELY upon which genes are spliced into them. If more people could accept this simple fact we might be able to fully explore the potential of what is a promising technology. The frankenfoods aren't coming for you, but Monsanto doesn't have your well-being as their highest priority either.

Who are the people not accepting GMO's? They're in everything, it's whether or not Monsanto should be exempt from federal courts when rulings come down concerning GMOS which it shouldn't be.
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3/27/2013 10:07:11 PM
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At 3/27/2013 9:51:31 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/27/2013 7:25:54 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

Whether or not GMOs are dangerous depends ENTIRELY upon which genes are spliced into them. If more people could accept this simple fact we might be able to fully explore the potential of what is a promising technology. The frankenfoods aren't coming for you, but Monsanto doesn't have your well-being as their highest priority either.

Who are the people not accepting GMO's? They're in everything, it's whether or not Monsanto should be exempt from federal courts when rulings come down concerning GMOS which it shouldn't be.

I'm not arguing against that, I agree with it. He just seemed to imply that either GMO's are harmful or they are not, when it really depends on what, precisely, has been tweaked about their genetics. I wanted to clarify that. And there are a good amount of people who go berserk at the first mention of GMOs. You'll usually find them in Whole Foods stores.
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9/18/2013 6:00:21 PM
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At 3/27/2013 1:23:51 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/27/2013 1:14:04 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 3/27/2013 12:51:25 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

Alright... still doesn't mean we give Monsanto blanket immunity in federal court for no good reason.

Did you even look this up before concluding that it was "blanket immunity for no good reason"?

Yes.

You apparently didn't look it up with much effort, because what you're saying is incorrect. Just read this snopes article on the topic: http://www.snopes.com...
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9/18/2013 6:54:49 PM
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At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

My problem is more that it is essentially a monopoly. Monsanto has a 94% market share, and that is dangerous.
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9/18/2013 11:02:54 PM
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At 9/18/2013 6:54:49 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

My problem is more that it is essentially a monopoly. Monsanto has a 94% market share, and that is dangerous.

I find that hard to believe. Farmers that don't want to purchase biotech seeds can purchase organic seeds as well as conventional seeds from 200+ companies. Biotech companies like DuPont, Syngenta and Dow compete with Monsanto in GMO industry. If there were a monopoly on biotechnology, there would be no competition.
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9/18/2013 11:40:53 PM
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EVERYTHING is or was genetically modified. That's how evolution works (don't believe in evolution, go ahead and challenge me to a debate. I apologise in advance for destroying you.). Humans may be messing about with it, but here's the thing - we've always done that. That's what agriculture does, we pick the strains we like, maybe crossbreed them with other ones to get characteristics we like, but we modify things to make them work better. The only new thing about 'GMOs' is that we have some newer technology. Say what you want about the bill, but ffs, leave the GMOs alone.
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9/19/2013 2:46:17 AM
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At 9/18/2013 11:40:53 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
EVERYTHING is or was genetically modified. That's how evolution works (don't believe in evolution, go ahead and challenge me to a debate. I apologise in advance for destroying you.). Humans may be messing about with it, but here's the thing - we've always done that. That's what agriculture does, we pick the strains we like, maybe crossbreed them with other ones to get characteristics we like, but we modify things to make them work better. The only new thing about 'GMOs' is that we have some newer technology. Say what you want about the bill, but ffs, leave the GMOs alone.

There is a world of difference between crossbreeding plant varieties and altering their DNA by infusing it with different genes. The first genetically modified plant was only created 30 years ago and is a fairly recent technology, while plant breeding has been around for thousands of years.
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9/20/2013 8:13:25 PM
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At 9/19/2013 2:46:17 AM, 1Percenter wrote:
At 9/18/2013 11:40:53 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
EVERYTHING is or was genetically modified. That's how evolution works (don't believe in evolution, go ahead and challenge me to a debate. I apologise in advance for destroying you.). Humans may be messing about with it, but here's the thing - we've always done that. That's what agriculture does, we pick the strains we like, maybe crossbreed them with other ones to get characteristics we like, but we modify things to make them work better. The only new thing about 'GMOs' is that we have some newer technology. Say what you want about the bill, but ffs, leave the GMOs alone.

There is a world of difference between crossbreeding plant varieties and altering their DNA by infusing it with different genes. The first genetically modified plant was only created 30 years ago and is a fairly recent technology, while plant breeding has been around for thousands of years.

Well, excuuuse me. DNA mutations create new genes all the time and we have no idea what's going on with those, if anything. we're introducing new one's we're already familiar with when we create GMOs.
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9/20/2013 9:36:13 PM
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At 3/27/2013 11:18:16 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Obama sells out U.S. citizens by signing Monsanto Protection Act into law

Using the deceptive title of Farmer Assurance Provision, Section 735 of this bill actually grants Monsanto immunity from federal courts pending the review of any GM crop that is thought to be dangerous.

Under the section, courts would be helpless to stop Monsanto from continuing to plant GMO crops that are thought -- even by the US government -- to be a danger to human health or our cherised environment.

http://www.examiner.com...

http://www.snopes.com...
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9/20/2013 9:41:56 PM
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At 9/18/2013 11:02:54 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
At 9/18/2013 6:54:49 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

My problem is more that it is essentially a monopoly. Monsanto has a 94% market share, and that is dangerous.

I find that hard to believe. Farmers that don't want to purchase biotech seeds can purchase organic seeds as well as conventional seeds from 200+ companies. Biotech companies like DuPont, Syngenta and Dow compete with Monsanto in GMO industry. If there were a monopoly on biotechnology, there would be no competition.

Rather that would make it an oligopoly.
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9/21/2013 3:05:44 AM
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Monsanto patents a bunch of their genetically modified crops. If you have a patent, it is by definition a monopoly (although there can be good substitute goods for it, making the demand for the product too elastic).
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9/26/2013 2:33:49 PM
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At 3/27/2013 12:38:44 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
GMOs are not dangerous... at least, I have found no evidence of them being so in my extensive look into the topic.

That's not the point.

The point is that Monsanto has a patent on their strains of modified soybeans, and they find there way into other soybean fields owned by smaller farms. Monsanto claims then claims the farmer's fields bear Monsanto's fruit, and they eventually seize the farmer's property.

The law has removed any chance of taking judicial action against Monsanto. Essentially, a blank check.
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