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FolkCat1234
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4/6/2013 8:53:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Let's say for the 2016 presidential election, the Democrats nominate Bernie Sanders and the Republicans nominate Rick Santorum. Assuming you are neither a socialist or a hardline social conservative, who would you vote for and why? Explain your political positions and how it affected your decision.
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4/6/2013 9:04:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Santorum.

Economic issues always trump social issues.
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4/6/2013 9:12:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/6/2013 9:04:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Santorum.

Economic issues always trump social issues.

+1, although Santorum doesn't see it that way. You'd have abortion illegal and gay marriage shot down before you'd get one inch of economic reform.
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4/6/2013 9:12:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/6/2013 9:04:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Santorum.

Economic issues always trump social issues.

I feel so as well, but I can't get past that Santorum is opposed to "this idea that people should be left alone." Ugh.
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4/6/2013 9:18:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
wtf is this dude smoking?

Bernie Sanders:

Voted NO on promoting free trade with Peru. (Dec 2007)
Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement. (Jul 2004)
Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)
Rated 33% by CATO, indicating a mixed record on trade issues. (Dec 2002)
Extend trade restrictions on Burma to promote democracy. (Jun 2007)
Review free trade agreements biennially for rights violation. (Jun 2009)
Impose tariffs against countries which manipulate currency. (Feb 2011)
No MFN for China; condition trade on human rights. (Nov 1999)
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4/6/2013 9:20:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I would lean towards Santorum, because of his standing on economic issues.

It would be one hell of an election. Or Hillary Clinton and Santorum.
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/6/2013 9:22:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/6/2013 9:20:04 PM, Contra wrote:
I would lean towards Santorum, because of his standing on economic issues.

It would be one hell of an election. Or Hillary Clinton and Santorum.

Really? Obama beat the crap out of Romney. I'm sure Clinton could beat the even more radical Santorum within a blink of the eye. Santorum would get around 30% of the vote...
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4/6/2013 9:28:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/6/2013 9:22:14 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 4/6/2013 9:20:04 PM, Contra wrote:
I would lean towards Santorum, because of his standing on economic issues.

It would be one hell of an election. Or Hillary Clinton and Santorum.

Really? Obama beat the crap out of Romney.

That's not true.

I'm sure Clinton could beat the even more radical Santorum within a blink of the eye. Santorum would get around 30% of the vote...

Probably.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/6/2013 9:31:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/6/2013 9:28:55 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/6/2013 9:22:14 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 4/6/2013 9:20:04 PM, Contra wrote:
I would lean towards Santorum, because of his standing on economic issues.

It would be one hell of an election. Or Hillary Clinton and Santorum.

Really? Obama beat the crap out of Romney.

That's not true.


Obama had 5 million more of the popular vote, and 126 more electoral college votes.
I'm sure Clinton could beat the even more radical Santorum within a blink of the eye. Santorum would get around 30% of the vote...

Probably.
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4/6/2013 9:34:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'd run for President myself before I vote for either of them
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4/6/2013 10:38:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I would vote for someone who is not a candidate for either the Democrats or Republicans, as both parties have a proven track record of complete incompetence. I strongly disagree with the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils, because when you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for an evil.
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4/7/2013 2:58:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't know why social issues are so polarizing in presidential elections. With the powers the Constitution delegates to the president, he would have little to no control over those issues; they are left for the states to decide.

Rick Santorum wants to repeal the Estate Tax and the Alternative Minimum Tax in addition to cutting the Corporate Tax in half. That alone is worth my vote.
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4/7/2013 9:11:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/6/2013 10:38:17 PM, IAntipodean wrote:
I would vote for someone who is not a candidate for either the Democrats or Republicans, as both parties have a proven track record of complete incompetence. I strongly disagree with the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils, because when you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for an evil.

As do I, however this is just a hypothetical, like if you were forced at gunpoint to vote for one of them.
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4/7/2013 12:54:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/6/2013 9:04:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Santorum.

Economic issues always trump social issues.

Dude if Santorum ever became president the FIRST THING he would do is handle social issues (banning abortion, gay marriage, and porn if he could get away with it) not economic ones.

That being said though I wouldnt vote for sanders, hes too extreme even for my taste. I could maybe vote for Warren but not Sanders.
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4/7/2013 12:56:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 2:58:22 AM, 1Percenter wrote:
I don't know why social issues are so polarizing in presidential elections. With the powers the Constitution delegates to the president, he would have little to no control over those issues; they are left for the states to decide.

Rick Santorum wants to repeal the Estate Tax and the Alternative Minimum Tax in addition to cutting the Corporate Tax in half. That alone is worth my vote.

Just because Santorum WANTS to doesnt mean hes going to be able to, for the president to get anything done he needs to work with Congress in order to pass an agenda, and I highly doubt that congress will agree to cut the corporate tax even by 5%, let alone HALF. Its also a crapshoot to try to repeal, not lower, repeal, the estate tac and alternative minimum tax as well.
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4/7/2013 4:05:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 12:56:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/7/2013 2:58:22 AM, 1Percenter wrote:
I don't know why social issues are so polarizing in presidential elections. With the powers the Constitution delegates to the president, he would have little to no control over those issues; they are left for the states to decide.

Rick Santorum wants to repeal the Estate Tax and the Alternative Minimum Tax in addition to cutting the Corporate Tax in half. That alone is worth my vote.

Just because Santorum WANTS to doesnt mean hes going to be able to, for the president to get anything done he needs to work with Congress in order to pass an agenda, and I highly doubt that congress will agree to cut the corporate tax even by 5%, let alone HALF. Its also a crapshoot to try to repeal, not lower, repeal, the estate tac and alternative minimum tax as well.

I literally know jacksh!t about how the American legislative system works, but can't the President just pass a lot of executive orders about what he wants?
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4/7/2013 4:16:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 2:58:22 AM, 1Percenter wrote:
I don't know why social issues are so polarizing in presidential elections. With the powers the Constitution delegates to the president, he would have little to no control over those issues; they are left for the states to decide.

Rick Santorum wants to repeal the Estate Tax and the Alternative Minimum Tax in addition to cutting the Corporate Tax in half. That alone is worth my vote.

How high would the corporate tax rate be in a Santorum administration?
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/7/2013 4:18:32 PM
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At 4/6/2013 9:31:00 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 4/6/2013 9:28:55 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/6/2013 9:22:14 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 4/6/2013 9:20:04 PM, Contra wrote:
I would lean towards Santorum, because of his standing on economic issues.

It would be one hell of an election. Or Hillary Clinton and Santorum.

Really? Obama beat the crap out of Romney.

That's not true.


Obama had 5 million more of the popular vote, and 126 more electoral college votes.

You are right with electoral college votes.

Obama won with 51.1%, Romney received 47.2% (from Huffington Post). That isn't a massacre.

The Republicans really had a horrible time framing their message. And some things, like the hardline stance on immigration and abortion were horrible choices.

I'm sure Clinton could beat the even more radical Santorum within a blink of the eye. Santorum would get around 30% of the vote...

Probably.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/7/2013 4:31:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 4:05:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 4/7/2013 12:56:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/7/2013 2:58:22 AM, 1Percenter wrote:
I don't know why social issues are so polarizing in presidential elections. With the powers the Constitution delegates to the president, he would have little to no control over those issues; they are left for the states to decide.

Rick Santorum wants to repeal the Estate Tax and the Alternative Minimum Tax in addition to cutting the Corporate Tax in half. That alone is worth my vote.

Just because Santorum WANTS to doesnt mean hes going to be able to, for the president to get anything done he needs to work with Congress in order to pass an agenda, and I highly doubt that congress will agree to cut the corporate tax even by 5%, let alone HALF. Its also a crapshoot to try to repeal, not lower, repeal, the estate tac and alternative minimum tax as well.

I literally know jacksh!t about how the American legislative system works, but can't the President just pass a lot of executive orders about what he wants?

No - he would still be challenged by the supreme court.

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4/7/2013 4:41:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I guess I'd have to vote for Santorum, He's the scum of the earth, but as a white, straight male his social agenda won't effect me as badly as Sander's terrible economic agenda will effect everyone.
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4/7/2013 5:48:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
No joke, I would leave the country. If my options were narrowed to Santorum, who I see as one of the most insufferable idiots on the face of the planet, and Sanders, who is just a lunatic, I would face any amount of hardship to get away from the seething horde of idiots who made it possible.
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4/7/2013 6:01:49 PM
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I wrote in Snoop Lion last election, I don't see why it would change in this scenario...
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4/7/2013 6:26:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 6:01:49 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
I wrote in Snoop Lion last election, I don't see why it would change in this scenario...

The sad thing is, he would probably be a better president than either of the other two.
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4/7/2013 8:27:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 4:16:40 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/7/2013 2:58:22 AM, 1Percenter wrote:
I don't know why social issues are so polarizing in presidential elections. With the powers the Constitution delegates to the president, he would have little to no control over those issues; they are left for the states to decide.

Rick Santorum wants to repeal the Estate Tax and the Alternative Minimum Tax in addition to cutting the Corporate Tax in half. That alone is worth my vote.

How high would the corporate tax rate be in a Santorum administration?
It would go from the current rate of 35% to 17.5%.
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4/7/2013 8:42:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/6/2013 9:04:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

Economic issues always trump social issues.

How nice it must be to be part of the majority.
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4/7/2013 8:59:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/6/2013 9:04:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Santorum.

Economic issues always trump social issues.

You seem to make a sport out of saying stupid things.
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4/7/2013 9:07:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'd want to see them campaigning first, get into the spotlight, see how they react to the press, how they debate, what they promise to do, etc. Obama's campaign was what convinced me to support him.
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4/7/2013 9:09:28 PM
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I think I'll second what Skep said. If that happens, time to get out and fast.
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4/7/2013 9:09:30 PM
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At 4/7/2013 8:59:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/6/2013 9:04:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Santorum.

Economic issues always trump social issues.

You seem to make a sport out of saying stupid things.

You seem to make a sport of making provocative responses.
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