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4/10/2013 3:11:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
... while you're living off government benefits that were paid for mostly out of their taxes. Occupy protesters, etc. should get a job and be something besides useless, pot-smoking bums before opening their mouths.
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4/10/2013 3:36:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is common everywhere. Europe also cannot get enough of government-run programs, but the average weedcracker has no idea who paid for it. Some people have fewer mental capabilities than others - which is acceptable. The problem comes when they try to tell everyone else how much they can earn and what they can eat.
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4/10/2013 4:02:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 3:26:18 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
Well, given that they fight tooth and nail to not pay those taxes, I don't think we really have to be grateful for it.

Death and taxes are things we all avoid,
Both when we're rich and when we're unemployed,
Some work the system so they can pay less,
But that's their business, let us not stress.
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4/10/2013 6:04:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 4:02:39 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/10/2013 3:26:18 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
Well, given that they fight tooth and nail to not pay those taxes, I don't think we really have to be grateful for it.

Death and taxes are things we all avoid,
Both when we're rich and when we're unemployed,
Some work the system so they can pay less,
But that's their business, let us not stress.

No, let's stress.
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4/10/2013 6:09:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Perhaps the selfish middle and lower-class americans should give their money to Africa and South America. After all, the average person in these countries have a lot lower purchasing power then even Americans considered poor.
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4/10/2013 6:15:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 6:09:18 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Perhaps the selfish middle and lower-class americans should give their money to Africa and South America. After all, the average person in these countries have a lot lower purchasing power then even Americans considered poor.

The more money you have, the less you get for it--diminishing returns. A thousand dollars is worth less to a multimillionaire than to middle and lower-class Americans.
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4/10/2013 6:17:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 6:15:53 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 4/10/2013 6:09:18 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Perhaps the selfish middle and lower-class americans should give their money to Africa and South America. After all, the average person in these countries have a lot lower purchasing power then even Americans considered poor.

The more money you have, the less you get for it--diminishing returns. A thousand dollars is worth less to a multimillionaire than to middle and lower-class Americans.

Yes, and the money would be worth more to poorer nations.
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4/10/2013 6:41:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 3:11:29 PM, APB wrote:
... while you're living off government benefits that were paid for mostly out of their taxes. Occupy protesters, etc. should get a job and be something besides useless, pot-smoking bums before opening their mouths.

I can't stand the Occupy movement, but I equally can't stand those who oppose social welfare programs.
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4/10/2013 7:25:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 7:07:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Now just in: the US government spends more in subsidies than it does on welfare.

Well, when the government gives middle class white people money it's a "tax break" but when the government gives poor, starving non-white people money it's a "handout" or an "entitlement" that must be limited.
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4/10/2013 7:49:42 PM
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At 4/10/2013 7:07:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Now just in: the US government spends more in subsidies than it does on welfare.

U no that some subsidized are actually designed to help poorer people.
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4/10/2013 8:22:56 PM
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The government should not in any way fund anything relating to the personal lives of its citizens. The goal of the government should be to provide basic infrastructure and stay out of the way. The amazing thing about capitalism is that there is a place for everyone; if you are willing to provide the work, you can make a living. Everybody is useful. Even those in unfortunate situations can make a living in a capitalist economy. The problem is that our government interferes too much and too often. There is no need for social security, health care, or food stamps. These things can be fully accomplished in the private sector without the interference of the federal government.
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4/10/2013 8:24:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 3:11:29 PM, APB wrote:
... while you're living off government benefits that were paid for mostly out of their taxes. Occupy protesters, etc. should get a job and be something besides useless, pot-smoking bums before opening their mouths.

Maybe you should read more about their cause before you dismiss them...
"Anarchism stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals""
-Emma Goldman
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4/10/2013 9:23:58 PM
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At 4/10/2013 8:22:56 PM, Laissez_Faire wrote:
The government should not in any way fund anything relating to the personal lives of its citizens. The goal of the government should be to provide basic infrastructure and stay out of the way. The amazing thing about capitalism is that there is a place for everyone; if you are willing to provide the work, you can make a living. Everybody is useful. Even those in unfortunate situations can make a living in a capitalist economy. The problem is that our government interferes too much and too often. There is no need for social security, health care, or food stamps. These things can be fully accomplished in the private sector without the interference of the federal government.

Ur username gave me nostaligia for an older member under a similar name.
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4/10/2013 10:19:31 PM
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At 4/10/2013 8:22:56 PM, Laissez_Faire wrote:
The government should not in any way fund anything relating to the personal lives of its citizens. The goal of the government should be to provide basic infrastructure and stay out of the way. The amazing thing about capitalism is that there is a place for everyone; if you are willing to provide the work, you can make a living. Everybody is useful. Even those in unfortunate situations can make a living in a capitalist economy. The problem is that our government interferes too much and too often. There is no need for social security, health care, or food stamps. These things can be fully accomplished in the private sector without the interference of the federal government.

That's the way capitalism should work but doesn't.
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4/10/2013 10:45:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 6:17:42 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 4/10/2013 6:15:53 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 4/10/2013 6:09:18 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Perhaps the selfish middle and lower-class americans should give their money to Africa and South America. After all, the average person in these countries have a lot lower purchasing power then even Americans considered poor.

The more money you have, the less you get for it--diminishing returns. A thousand dollars is worth less to a multimillionaire than to middle and lower-class Americans.

Yes, and the money would be worth more to poorer nations.

So the obvious solution is for rich people to give money to poorer nations.
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4/10/2013 10:49:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If you think that stealing land from Native Americans through violence was justified, you should have no problem with the government using violence to steal from you.
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4/10/2013 10:53:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 10:45:39 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 4/10/2013 6:17:42 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 4/10/2013 6:15:53 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 4/10/2013 6:09:18 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Perhaps the selfish middle and lower-class americans should give their money to Africa and South America. After all, the average person in these countries have a lot lower purchasing power then even Americans considered poor.

The more money you have, the less you get for it--diminishing returns. A thousand dollars is worth less to a multimillionaire than to middle and lower-class Americans.

Yes, and the money would be worth more to poorer nations.

So the obvious solution is for rich people to give money to poorer nations.

Correct, although the occupy protesters seem to care more about filling their own wallets rather then the wallets of poorer countries. Under the world economy, THEY'D be considered rich. and thus should be giving money to the poor.
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4/10/2013 10:53:55 PM
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At 4/10/2013 10:49:43 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
If you think that stealing land from Native Americans through violence was justified, you should have no problem with the government using violence to steal from you.

Was it okay for the Native Americans to steal the land from the animals that were there before them?
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4/10/2013 10:56:54 PM
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At 4/10/2013 10:53:55 PM, BigRat wrote:
At 4/10/2013 10:49:43 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
If you think that stealing land from Native Americans through violence was justified, you should have no problem with the government using violence to steal from you.


Was it okay for the Native Americans to steal the land from the animals that were there before them?

No, it wasn't. Why are you promoting the theft of stolen property from the animals? Please return it.
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4/10/2013 11:04:29 PM
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At 4/10/2013 10:56:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/10/2013 10:53:55 PM, BigRat wrote:

Was it okay for the Native Americans to steal the land from the animals that were there before them?

No, it wasn't. Why are you promoting the theft of stolen property from the animals? Please return it.

Royal seriously how retarded are you?
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4/10/2013 11:04:37 PM
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At 4/10/2013 10:56:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/10/2013 10:53:55 PM, BigRat wrote:
At 4/10/2013 10:49:43 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
If you think that stealing land from Native Americans through violence was justified, you should have no problem with the government using violence to steal from you.


Was it okay for the Native Americans to steal the land from the animals that were there before them?

No, it wasn't. Why are you promoting the theft of stolen property from the animals? Please return it.

Okay. Did Europeans "steal" land from native Americans simply by populating America?

Do the natives own two continents just because they populate parts of it?

Nobody stole anything from the natives. They fell victim to historical forces of creative destruction. Their societies were too primitive. The few modern natives that still love on reservations live on the dole as well as gambling.
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4/11/2013 1:31:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 3:11:29 PM, APB wrote:
... while you're living off government benefits that were paid for mostly out of their taxes. Occupy protesters, etc. should get a job and be something besides useless, pot-smoking bums before opening their mouths.

That is tough language...
However, those living off the government ought to not feel entitlted to the rich's money. That being said, the rich ought not feel that taxes are theft, per se.

As far as Occupiers, they are largely morons, but so are most people. I went to an Occupy MN rally, and was being told there was no state surplus under the previous governor (evil Tim Pawlenty), when there was, if only for one year.

This is of course an issue of the local movement, but all of the Occupiers do seem to think they can "occupy" the public square as a matter of first amendment rights. This is hypocritical, and shows their arrogance/ignorance.
My work here is, finally, done.
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4/11/2013 1:38:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 7:25:21 PM, YYW wrote:
At 4/10/2013 7:07:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Now just in: the US government spends more in subsidies than it does on welfare.

Well, when the government gives middle class white people money it's a "tax break" but when the government gives poor, starving non-white people money it's a "handout" or an "entitlement" that must be limited.

This works both ways, though.
When the poor minority gets a tax break, it is perfectly legit or "fair" (even if it is abused). But, when the middle class or rich get one, it is a "loophole", even if it helps the poor. (Charitible contribution deduction, for example).

This is often seen when trying to close a loophole for the middle class results in a tax hike on the poor (lowering the child tax credit, for example).
My work here is, finally, done.
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4/11/2013 7:33:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
: At 4/10/2013 10:19:31 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 4/10/2013 8:22:56 PM, Laissez_Faire wrote:
The government should not in any way fund anything relating to the personal lives of its citizens. The goal of the government should be to provide basic infrastructure and stay out of the way. The amazing thing about capitalism is that there is a place for everyone; if you are willing to provide the work, you can make a living. Everybody is useful. Even those in unfortunate situations can make a living in a capitalist economy. The problem is that our government interferes too much and too often. There is no need for social security, health care, or food stamps. These things can be fully accomplished in the private sector without the interference of the federal government.

That's the way capitalism should work but doesn't.

It certainly could if we wanted it to. The only thing preventing it is government interference. If the Feds were willing to give up some of their power, which is highly unlikely if not impossible, and let the private sector take the reins it would work. It sounds like wishful thinking and it probably is.
America's current culture is rotten to the core and we will never achieve a truly capitalist economy this way. As soon as people began to feel entitled to things they didn't work for...that's when we blew it.
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4/11/2013 7:54:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 11:04:37 PM, BigRat wrote:
At 4/10/2013 10:56:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/10/2013 10:53:55 PM, BigRat wrote:
At 4/10/2013 10:49:43 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
If you think that stealing land from Native Americans through violence was justified, you should have no problem with the government using violence to steal from you.


Was it okay for the Native Americans to steal the land from the animals that were there before them?

No, it wasn't. Why are you promoting the theft of stolen property from the animals? Please return it.

Okay. Did Europeans "steal" land from native Americans simply by populating America?

Do the natives own two continents just because they populate parts of it?

Nobody stole anything from the natives. They fell victim to historical forces of creative destruction. Their societies were too primitive. The few modern natives that still love on reservations live on the dole as well as gambling.

I hereby submit this to the Weekly Stupid.

The federal government of the United States forcibly evicted Native Americans from their land and forced them onto smaller reservations. If that doesn't count as theft, nothing does.
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4/11/2013 7:58:21 AM
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At 4/10/2013 9:23:58 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 4/10/2013 8:22:56 PM, Laissez_Faire wrote:
The government should not in any way fund anything relating to the personal lives of its citizens. The goal of the government should be to provide basic infrastructure and stay out of the way. The amazing thing about capitalism is that there is a place for everyone; if you are willing to provide the work, you can make a living. Everybody is useful. Even those in unfortunate situations can make a living in a capitalist economy. The problem is that our government interferes too much and too often. There is no need for social security, health care, or food stamps. These things can be fully accomplished in the private sector without the interference of the federal government.

Ur username gave me nostaligia for an older member under a similar name.

"Laissez Faire, Laissez passer does not mean: let the evils last. On the contrary, it means: do not interfere with the function of the market because such interference must necessarily restrict output and make people poorer." - Ludwig Von Mises
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4/11/2013 9:00:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/10/2013 3:11:29 PM, APB wrote:
... while you're living off government benefits that were paid for mostly out of their taxes. Occupy protesters, etc. should get a job and be something besides useless, pot-smoking bums before opening their mouths.

You really had a good title that had a bit of truth in it. Many non-rich people have disdain for the rich on a faulty belief that they would be more generous with their money if they had it.

............but then you had to go lump the other 99% as lazy sobs. There is also a faulty belief that all rich people work their butts off. That is not true.

My question to you is how many people have you met and spoke with that are on gov assistance to formulate your lazy pot smoking perception?
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4/11/2013 3:49:17 PM
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At 4/10/2013 10:56:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/10/2013 10:53:55 PM, BigRat wrote:
At 4/10/2013 10:49:43 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
If you think that stealing land from Native Americans through violence was justified, you should have no problem with the government using violence to steal from you.


Was it okay for the Native Americans to steal the land from the animals that were there before them?

No, it wasn't. Why are you promoting the theft of stolen property from the animals? Please return it.

Royal, should we imprison the entire planet, then? After all, every organism alive either invaded a new area or is a descendent of a species that did.