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4/16/2013 1:14:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
1.We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the people's right to self-determination.
2.We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
3.We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.
4.Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.
5.Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
6.The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
7.We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
8.Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.
9.All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
10.The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:
11.Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
12.In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13.We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14.We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15.We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16.We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17.We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
18.We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
19.We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
20.The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21.The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
22.We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
23.We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race; b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language; c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24.We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.[11]
25.For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.

So much for NAZISM being right wing...
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4/16/2013 11:42:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 11:24:38 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
First, I'd like your source.

Secondly, a lot of that is right wing.

Right Wing: the reactionary section of a political party or system opposing political or social reform.
Left Wing: the section of a political party or system advocating or based on thorough or complete political or social reform.
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4/16/2013 11:47:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 1:14:48 AM, BigRat wrote:
So much for NAZISM being right wing...

Well. What did they say is somewhat irrelevant. It is what they have done determines who they were (are). So much for NAZISM being right wing....(affirmative).
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4/16/2013 12:47:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hey so if I block someone, I won't have see see hate driven threads like this on the list correct if i block the OP?
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4/16/2013 1:17:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 12:47:43 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
Hey so if I block someone, I won't have see see hate driven threads like this on the list correct if i block the OP?

no doesnt work that way.
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4/16/2013 1:18:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 11:24:38 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
First, I'd like your source.

Secondly, a lot of that is right wing.
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4/16/2013 1:30:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 1:17:58 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/16/2013 12:47:43 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
Hey so if I block someone, I won't have see see hate driven threads like this on the list correct if i block the OP?

no doesnt work that way.

Well i understand that I don't have to post on a thread and just ignore it, but come on. I myself am a little biased towards libertarians, but i don't try and compare them to Nazi's. The fact i don't agree with their views opens and most of the people i have seen here, as well as myself have an open mind to some extent, which opens the door to civil debate. This person just keeps creating threads to fling crap at liberals hoping it sticks, making baseless accusations to not create civil debate, but project his narrow-minded views of a certain party or group of people. I hope others see this too.

How then can we take anything this person posts seriously?
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4/16/2013 2:09:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 1:30:49 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
At 4/16/2013 1:17:58 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/16/2013 12:47:43 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
Hey so if I block someone, I won't have see see hate driven threads like this on the list correct if i block the OP?

no doesnt work that way.

Well i understand that I don't have to post on a thread and just ignore it, but come on. I myself am a little biased towards libertarians, but i don't try and compare them to Nazi's. The fact i don't agree with their views opens and most of the people i have seen here, as well as myself have an open mind to some extent, which opens the door to civil debate. This person just keeps creating threads to fling crap at liberals hoping it sticks, making baseless accusations to not create civil debate, but project his narrow-minded views of a certain party or group of people. I hope others see this too.

How then can we take anything this person posts seriously?

Since people are entitled to their own opinions, I wouldn't dismiss his opinions as "crap or baseless accusations" although I may not agree with him. Yet from a different point of view, it is always good to know how people who hold different opinions see to the issue. For me, as long as OP does not explicitly state that one particular race should be wiped out or someone must die or some sorts of thing, I believe he should be treated with respect.
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4/16/2013 2:23:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 2:07:20 PM, Wnope wrote:
Yes nothing quite says "leftist" like blaming all your problems on Communists

Hitler was both anti-Marxist and Anti-Capitalist. Hitler was pro-socialist.

A core principle of fascism is national-syndicalism
and Jews.

After all, it is the right who supports Israel, and the Left who calls it a "terrorist state". After all, it is the right who supports Freedom of Religion, and it is the left who pushes to ban Judeo-christianity from public places.

Hitler's segregation and extermination of the Jews was in the name of social reform. Social reform is leftist.
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4/16/2013 2:27:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 2:23:35 PM, DanT wrote:
At 4/16/2013 2:07:20 PM, Wnope wrote:
Yes nothing quite says "leftist" like blaming all your problems on Communists

Hitler was both anti-Marxist and Anti-Capitalist. Hitler was pro-socialist.

A core principle of fascism is national-syndicalism
and Jews.

After all, it is the right who supports Israel, and the Left who calls it a "terrorist state". After all, it is the right who supports Freedom of Religion, and it is the left who pushes to ban Judeo-christianity from public places.

Hitler's segregation and extermination of the Jews was in the name of social reform. Social reform is leftist.

Also Hitler was a conspiracy theorist who equated Jews with Capitalism. The Rothschild conspiracies and Zionist Conspiracies are exactly the same as Nazi conspiracies, just with the word "Jew" changed to something else.
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4/16/2013 2:46:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 12:47:43 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
Hey so if I block someone, I won't have see see hate driven threads like this on the list correct if i block the OP?

This is Debate.org, you WILL see opposing views and passionate convictions. Don't like it then why come to a debate site.
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4/16/2013 2:48:58 PM
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Bigrat, I find your antisemitism hurtful. I thought we got on quite well.
Also it doesn't surprise me to find out that another "libertarian" is actually a nazi. Just like WSA, spinko, RP and Cody.
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4/16/2013 2:58:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 2:48:58 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
Bigrat, I find your antisemitism hurtful. I thought we got on quite well.
Also it doesn't surprise me to find out that another "libertarian" is actually a nazi. Just like WSA, spinko, RP and Cody.

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4/16/2013 3:07:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 1:14:48 AM, BigRat wrote:
1.We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the people's right to self-determination.
2.We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
3.We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.
4.Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.
5.Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
6.The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
7.We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
8.Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.
9.All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
10.The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:
11.Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
12.In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13.We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14.We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15.We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16.We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17.We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
18.We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
19.We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
20.The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21.The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
22.We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
23.We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race; b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language; c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24.We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.[11]
25.For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.




So much for NAZISM being right wing...

Count how many they actually did. You're also trying to equate nazism with fascism. The nazi party had lots of promises which they had no intention of fulfilling. Hitler is kind of famous for being a great liar, you know.
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4/16/2013 3:11:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 11:42:19 AM, DanT wrote:
At 4/16/2013 11:24:38 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
First, I'd like your source.

Secondly, a lot of that is right wing.

Right Wing: the reactionary section of a political party or system opposing political or social reform.
Left Wing: the section of a political party or system advocating or based on thorough or complete political or social reform.

Where'd you get that? My definition that I've found is "an outlook or specific position that accepts or supports social hierarchy or social inequality".
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4/16/2013 3:35:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 2:23:35 PM, DanT wrote:
At 4/16/2013 2:07:20 PM, Wnope wrote:
Yes nothing quite says "leftist" like blaming all your problems on Communists

Hitler was both anti-Marxist and Anti-Capitalist. Hitler was pro-socialist.

A core principle of fascism is national-syndicalism
and Jews.

After all, it is the right who supports Israel, and the Left who calls it a "terrorist state". After all, it is the right who supports Freedom of Religion, and it is the left who pushes to ban Judeo-christianity from public places.

Hitler's segregation and extermination of the Jews was in the name of social reform. Social reform is leftist.

It's one thing to make claims about the economics of the Nazi party. But when it comes to social issues like immigration, freedom of speech/press, freedom of religion, punishments, feelings towards non-whites, and regulation of traditional morality, the right wing has it covered head to toe.

How is it "leftist" to claim that no one gets to be a citizen if they aren't Germanic? Is the KKK suddenly a leftist organization? Talking about keeping out foreign jews and driving out internal jews is much more in line with how conservatives treat minorities and out-groups.

"Every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens"

Let's see, a group of people that want it legally impossible for an outgroup like...oh...atheists, muslims, or blacks...to hold any public office.

Doesn't sound like liberals I know, but it sure as hell rings a bell for the conservatives.

"If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich."

Since when has it been a leftist goal to expel non-whites from a country? It's straight for the nativist and KKK textbook. Do you plan to call them liberals?

"Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented"

Hmm, cutting off the flow of non-white immigrants into the US. I wonder whether the conservatives or liberals are more in favor of that.

"Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race."

Death penalty without appeal. Sounds pretty liberal.

"All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race; b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. "

Ah yes, stopping the free press from controversial opinions. Hallmark of progressives.

"We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. "

Uh...huh. "Everyone is free as long as their freedom doesn't conflict with Christianity."

Sounds a helluva lot like the right.
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4/16/2013 4:31:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 2:09:26 PM, TheElderScroll wrote:
At 4/16/2013 1:30:49 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
At 4/16/2013 1:17:58 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/16/2013 12:47:43 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
Hey so if I block someone, I won't have see see hate driven threads like this on the list correct if i block the OP?

no doesnt work that way.

Well i understand that I don't have to post on a thread and just ignore it, but come on. I myself am a little biased towards libertarians, but i don't try and compare them to Nazi's. The fact i don't agree with their views opens and most of the people i have seen here, as well as myself have an open mind to some extent, which opens the door to civil debate. This person just keeps creating threads to fling crap at liberals hoping it sticks, making baseless accusations to not create civil debate, but project his narrow-minded views of a certain party or group of people. I hope others see this too.

How then can we take anything this person posts seriously?

Since people are entitled to their own opinions, I wouldn't dismiss his opinions as "crap or baseless accusations" although I may not agree with him. Yet from a different point of view, it is always good to know how people who hold different opinions see to the issue. For me, as long as OP does not explicitly state that one particular race should be wiped out or someone must die or some sorts of thing, I believe he should be treated with respect.

This is very true. Though in order to hold civil debate, one must present facts to back up his/her claims correct? otherwise it is nothing more then an opinion which doesn't serve any civil debate. He claims liberals = Nazi's, that to have a liberal view or a progressive view = a Nazi view, yet in his ramblings provides no actual proof other then "his opinions" which he thinks are facts in themselves. Yes this is a debate site, so let me ask, what is there to debate on this thread, any rational thinking person does not think this is true, so do we then debate the view of the OP? if so then we must look at the substance of his claims, which there isn't any, so they can be dismissed. And if you note the lack of respect he shows those who do not share his view, then it goes back to that old saying "respect is earned, and given when shown"
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4/16/2013 7:17:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 12:47:43 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
Hey so if I block someone, I won't have see see hate driven threads like this on the list correct if i block the OP?

Hey, if I don't like some idiot who keeps on posting on my threads about how much he hates me, can i block him so I don't see his hate driven language?

Actually, I really don't need to. I can just ignore.

My threads are made with the intention of serious intellectual conversation and almost always achieve that (despite what you say). If you don't like them, ignore them... I'm not making anyone read them.

Also, if you are simply asking a general operational question, you need to look at another forum.
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4/16/2013 7:26:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 3:35:03 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/16/2013 2:23:35 PM, DanT wrote:
At 4/16/2013 2:07:20 PM, Wnope wrote:
Yes nothing quite says "leftist" like blaming all your problems on Communists

Hitler was both anti-Marxist and Anti-Capitalist. Hitler was pro-socialist.

A core principle of fascism is national-syndicalism
and Jews.

After all, it is the right who supports Israel, and the Left who calls it a "terrorist state". After all, it is the right who supports Freedom of Religion, and it is the left who pushes to ban Judeo-christianity from public places.

Hitler's segregation and extermination of the Jews was in the name of social reform. Social reform is leftist.

It's one thing to make claims about the economics of the Nazi party. But when it comes to social issues like immigration, freedom of speech/press, freedom of religion, punishments, feelings towards non-whites, and regulation of traditional morality, the right wing has it covered head to toe.

Except... the right is more supportive of freedom of press than the left (fairness doctrine) and freedom of religion (contraceptive mandate). And, this idea that the right is hostile to non whites is a left wing myth.

Finally, it is liberals who are much more controlling socially... from trans fat bans to gun control... Conservatives really don't favor regulating traditional morality so much as they support protecting it from statist leftists.


How is it "leftist" to claim that no one gets to be a citizen if they aren't Germanic? Is the KKK suddenly a leftist organization? Talking about keeping out foreign jews and driving out internal jews is much more in line with how conservatives treat minorities and out-groups.

Again, this is based on the myth that the right is racist.

In fact, the right is much more pro semitic than the left (ISRAEL!!). Conservatives favor a colorblind society while leftists favor racial preferences...


"Every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens"

Let's see, a group of people that want it legally impossible for an outgroup like...oh...atheists, muslims, or blacks...to hold any public office.

Except, that is not what conservatives favor. So, again, based on a strawman.


Doesn't sound like liberals I know, but it sure as hell rings a bell for the conservatives.

Because your view of conservatives is based on what left wing strawmen.


"If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich."

Since when has it been a leftist goal to expel non-whites from a country? It's straight for the nativist and KKK textbook. Do you plan to call them liberals?

No, but they ain't libertarians or conservatives either.


"Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented"

Hmm, cutting off the flow of non-white immigrants into the US. I wonder whether the conservatives or liberals are more in favor of that.

Neither are... so I don't see where this question is coming from.


"Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race."

Death penalty without appeal. Sounds pretty liberal.

Conservatives don't favor death penalty without appeal either.


"All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race; b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. "


Ah yes, stopping the free press from controversial opinions. Hallmark of progressives.


Despite your failed attempt at sarcasm, the modern left has been much more hostile to freedom of press than the right... again the fairness doctrine, hate speech laws, etc.

So, yes, opposing a free press is a hallmark of progressivism.

"We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. "

Uh...huh. "Everyone is free as long as their freedom doesn't conflict with Christianity."

Sounds a helluva lot like the right.

Except... it doesnt. That is not what conservatives believe.

Again, you seem to know nothing about what conservatives believe.

The real howler here was claiming that conservatives favored limiting freedom of speech when the exact opposite is true... but you were off base all around.
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4/16/2013 7:27:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 4:31:30 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
At 4/16/2013 2:09:26 PM, TheElderScroll wrote:
At 4/16/2013 1:30:49 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
At 4/16/2013 1:17:58 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/16/2013 12:47:43 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
Hey so if I block someone, I won't have see see hate driven threads like this on the list correct if i block the OP?

no doesnt work that way.

Well i understand that I don't have to post on a thread and just ignore it, but come on. I myself am a little biased towards libertarians, but i don't try and compare them to Nazi's. The fact i don't agree with their views opens and most of the people i have seen here, as well as myself have an open mind to some extent, which opens the door to civil debate. This person just keeps creating threads to fling crap at liberals hoping it sticks, making baseless accusations to not create civil debate, but project his narrow-minded views of a certain party or group of people. I hope others see this too.

How then can we take anything this person posts seriously?

Since people are entitled to their own opinions, I wouldn't dismiss his opinions as "crap or baseless accusations" although I may not agree with him. Yet from a different point of view, it is always good to know how people who hold different opinions see to the issue. For me, as long as OP does not explicitly state that one particular race should be wiped out or someone must die or some sorts of thing, I believe he should be treated with respect.

This is very true. Though in order to hold civil debate, one must present facts to back up his/her claims correct? otherwise it is nothing more then an opinion which doesn't serve any civil debate. He claims liberals = Nazi's, that to have a liberal view or a progressive view = a Nazi view, yet in his ramblings provides no actual proof other then "his opinions" which he thinks are facts in themselves. Yes this is a debate site, so let me ask, what is there to debate on this thread, any rational thinking person does not think this is true, so do we then debate the view of the OP? if so then we must look at the substance of his claims, which there isn't any, so they can be dismissed. And if you note the lack of respect he shows those who do not share his view, then it goes back to that old saying "respect is earned, and given when shown"

That strawman you created of my views really is awful... man. If only it were true...
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4/16/2013 7:39:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"Late at night I would return from my rounds to the Hotel Deutscher Hof, which had been reserved for Hitler's staff and the Gauleiters and Reichsleiters. In the hotel restaurant I usually found a group of old Gauleiters waxing boisterous over their beer as they denounced the party's betrayal of the principles of the revolution and the betrayal of the workers. Here was a sign that the ideas of Gregor Strasser, who had once led the anti-capitalist wing within the NSDAP, were still alive, though reduced to mere bombast. Only in alcohol could these fellows resurrect their old revolutionary elan."

pg 72, "Inside the Third Reich" by Albert Speer

Hitler hyjacked the party for support and once in power, abandoned the original ideals.

"We were able to draw former union leaders and some members of the dissolved Arts and Crafts Society into this campaign. One and all devoted themselves to the cause of making some improvements in the workers' living conditions and moving closer to the ideal of a classless People's Community. However, it was somewhat dismaying to discover that Hitler took hardly any interest in these ideas. He who could lose himself in the details of an architectural project proved remarkably indifferent when I came to him with reports of my progress in this social area."

pg 67 - 68
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4/17/2013 10:59:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 7:39:28 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
"Late at night I would return from my rounds to the Hotel Deutscher Hof, which had been reserved for Hitler's staff and the Gauleiters and Reichsleiters. In the hotel restaurant I usually found a group of old Gauleiters waxing boisterous over their beer as they denounced the party's betrayal of the principles of the revolution and the betrayal of the workers. Here was a sign that the ideas of Gregor Strasser, who had once led the anti-capitalist wing within the NSDAP, were still alive, though reduced to mere bombast. Only in alcohol could these fellows resurrect their old revolutionary elan."

pg 72, "Inside the Third Reich" by Albert Speer

Hitler hyjacked the party for support and once in power, abandoned the original ideals.


"We were able to draw former union leaders and some members of the dissolved Arts and Crafts Society into this campaign. One and all devoted themselves to the cause of making some improvements in the workers' living conditions and moving closer to the ideal of a classless People's Community. However, it was somewhat dismaying to discover that Hitler took hardly any interest in these ideas. He who could lose himself in the details of an architectural project proved remarkably indifferent when I came to him with reports of my progress in this social area."

pg 67 - 68

+1 and also a good read as well, thanks for this.

and rat, there was nothing Strawman about it, you have no evidence but your own party sites to prove anything you say, which makes you a tool if nothing else, because you prove to not be able to think for yourself, but go with whatever you read from your own party websites..*smiles*
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4/17/2013 11:33:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 7:26:14 PM, BigRat wrote:
Except... the right is more supportive of freedom of press than the left (fairness doctrine) and freedom of religion (contraceptive mandate). And, this idea that the right is hostile to non whites is a left wing myth.

1. The Fairness Doctrine did not significantly reduce freedom of the press. And don't forget who tried to prevent the Pentagon papers from being published. Not to mention that if you talk to actual progressives, you'll see broad support for freedom of the press.
2. We're not the ones who passed laws that make it illegal to be an atheist and hold office (http://en.wikipedia.org...). Or the ones who are hostile towards Muslims, pagans, atheists, etc.

Finally, it is liberals who are much more controlling socially... from trans fat bans to gun control... Conservatives really don't favor regulating traditional morality so much as they support protecting it from statist leftists.

Again, this is based on the myth that the right is racist.

What myth? You're trying to derive general descriptions of an ideology from the policy of one guy (Wilson). If you actually look at historical trends, right-wing movements have a long history of racism.

In fact, the right is much more pro semitic than the left (ISRAEL!!). Conservatives favor a colorblind society while leftists favor racial preferences...

Being pro-Israel does not equal being pro-Jew. I might also point out that many right-wing individuals are pro-Israel in the hopes that it would bring Armageddon. Where a bunch of Jews are supposed to die.

Except, that is not what conservatives favor. So, again, based on a strawman.

Oh, yes they do.

No, but they ain't libertarians or conservatives either.

They are conservatives. Not libertarians, to be sure, but they consider themselves conservative, their less radical notions are backed by many mainstream conservatives, and they have historically aligned with conservatives.

Conservatives don't favor death penalty without appeal either.

No, but they do favor the death penalty.

Despite your failed attempt at sarcasm, the modern left has been much more hostile to freedom of press than the right... again the fairness doctrine, hate speech laws, etc.

So, yes, opposing a free press is a hallmark of progressivism.

Hate speech laws don't exist for the most part in the United States.

Except... it doesnt. That is not what conservatives believe.

Yes, it is. Look at surveys. Such as the ones cited here: http://atheism.about.com...
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4/17/2013 12:04:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 3:11:57 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 4/16/2013 11:42:19 AM, DanT wrote:
At 4/16/2013 11:24:38 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
First, I'd like your source.

Secondly, a lot of that is right wing.

Right Wing: the reactionary section of a political party or system opposing political or social reform.
Left Wing: the section of a political party or system advocating or based on thorough or complete political or social reform.

Where'd you get that? My definition that I've found is "an outlook or specific position that accepts or supports social hierarchy or social inequality".

I take it you are quoting wiki?

Historically the Left wing are reformists and the Right wing are traditionalists. The oxford dictionary, as does most other dictionaries, defines the right as "the reactionary section of a political party or system" and the left as "the radical section of a political party or system advocating". Those same dictionaries define radical as "advocating or based on thorough or complete political or social reform", and reactionary as "opposing thorough or complete political or social reform".
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4/17/2013 12:41:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 3:35:03 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/16/2013 2:23:35 PM, DanT wrote:
At 4/16/2013 2:07:20 PM, Wnope wrote:
Yes nothing quite says "leftist" like blaming all your problems on Communists

Hitler was both anti-Marxist and Anti-Capitalist. Hitler was pro-socialist.

A core principle of fascism is national-syndicalism
and Jews.

After all, it is the right who supports Israel, and the Left who calls it a "terrorist state". After all, it is the right who supports Freedom of Religion, and it is the left who pushes to ban Judeo-christianity from public places.

Hitler's segregation and extermination of the Jews was in the name of social reform. Social reform is leftist.

It's one thing to make claims about the economics of the Nazi party. But when it comes to social issues like immigration, freedom of speech/press, freedom of religion, punishments, feelings towards non-whites,
First off, I'm not claiming Fascism is left wing; fascism is third way, which means it incorporates both left wing and right wing ideologies and policies.
The immigration issue is based on nationalism, which is right wing collectivism, but because they are pushing for reform it is a left wing policy based on a right wing view. Also Nationalism is more collectivist than right wing; traditional conservatism is collectivist traditionalism, which is more right wing than collectivist.

freedom of speech/press, freedom of religion, and punishments are not left wing vs right wing issues, they are collectivist vs individualist issues.
and regulation of traditional morality, the right wing has it covered head to toe.

This is the only real right wing policy you mentioned; the others were collectivist policies. This policy, is traditional conservative, which as I already stated is collectivist traditionalism. Traditional Conservatives maintain the status quo through government intervention, whereas liberal conservatives (individualist traditionalists) maintain the status quo through opposing reform.
How is it "leftist" to claim that no one gets to be a citizen if they aren't Germanic?
If they advocating reform they are leftist. Leftist polices can be based on rightist views, which is why left wing and right wing policies have changed over time as the status quo has changed.
Is the KKK suddenly a leftist organization?
The KKK is not politically based; it's racially based. They don't want white supremacy, like the Nazis, they just want a segregation of the races. The KKK is comprised of both Reformists and Traditionalists; it is not a political organization.
Talking about keeping out foreign jews and driving out internal jews is much more in line with how conservatives treat minorities and out-groups.

That's not true. Nice straw man.
"Every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens"

Let's see, a group of people that want it legally impossible for an outgroup like...oh...atheists, muslims, or blacks...to hold any public office.

Doesn't sound like liberals I know, but it sure as hell rings a bell for the conservatives.

Many Nazis were atheists and even occultists. Religion was not a qualifier for citizenship, race was.
"If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich."

Since when has it been a leftist goal to expel non-whites from a country? It's straight for the nativist and KKK textbook. Do you plan to call them liberals?

That is more collectivist than rightist
"Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented"

Hmm, cutting off the flow of non-white immigrants into the US. I wonder whether the conservatives or liberals are more in favor of that.

Neither. Again with the false dichotomy of conservative vs progressive
"Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race."

Death penalty without appeal. Sounds pretty liberal.

liberal =/= left wing. Social liberals (individualist reformers) are progressive (left wing), and classic liberals (right wing individualists) are libertarian (individualist).

The death penalty is more of a collectivist policy than a traditionalist policy. Again, they are pushing for reform, so it is left wing in nature.
"All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race; b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. "

Ah yes, stopping the free press from controversial opinions. Hallmark of progressives.

Hallmark of collectivists. It is neither left wing nor right wing.
"We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. "

Uh...huh. "Everyone is free as long as their freedom doesn't conflict with Christianity."

Sounds a helluva lot like the right.

It said nothing of Christianity; it said there is freedom of religion so long as the religions do not pose a threat to the state. Nice Straw man though.
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4/17/2013 1:02:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 11:33:18 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 4/16/2013 7:26:14 PM, BigRat wrote:
Except... the right is more supportive of freedom of press than the left (fairness doctrine) and freedom of religion (contraceptive mandate). And, this idea that the right is hostile to non whites is a left wing myth.

1. The Fairness Doctrine did not significantly reduce freedom of the press. And don't forget who tried to prevent the Pentagon papers from being published. Not to mention that if you talk to actual progressives, you'll see broad support for freedom of the press.
2. We're not the ones who passed laws that make it illegal to be an atheist and hold office (http://en.wikipedia.org...). Or the ones who are hostile towards Muslims, pagans, atheists, etc.

Ya, you guys are hostile against Christians instead. And, yes, the fairness doctrine infringed on freedom of speech.

The progressive view on freedom of speech can be summed up as "you are free to say whatever you want so long as it is not determined by progressives to be racist, nationalist, reactionary, sexist, or right wing". In other words, no free speech.


Finally, it is liberals who are much more controlling socially... from trans fat bans to gun control... Conservatives really don't favor regulating traditional morality so much as they support protecting it from statist leftists.

Again, this is based on the myth that the right is racist.

What myth? You're trying to derive general descriptions of an ideology from the policy of one guy (Wilson). If you actually look at historical trends, right-wing movements have a long history of racism.

Nope. Not true. Historically, the left wing has been much more racist. The Nazis were left wing and very racist. As were the Eugenics movement. It goes on and on.


In fact, the right is much more pro semitic than the left (ISRAEL!!). Conservatives favor a colorblind society while leftists favor racial preferences...

Being pro-Israel does not equal being pro-Jew. I might also point out that many right-wing individuals are pro-Israel in the hopes that it would bring Armageddon. Where a bunch of Jews are supposed to die.

Ya. That little theory about right wingers supporting Israel in hopes of Armageddon is just a silly myth. I'm sure you can find some individual or small group who believes this, but it is not a major force in pro Israel sentiment.

And, yes, pro Israel is pro Jew. If you are friendly to radical Islam, you are in effect, an anti semite.... supporting Palestine over Israel is anti semitic.


Except, that is not what conservatives favor. So, again, based on a strawman.

Oh, yes they do.

Nice try... but repeating a false statement doesn't make it true. Liberals are the racists in modern society.


No, but they ain't libertarians or conservatives either.

They are conservatives. Not libertarians, to be sure, but they consider themselves conservative, their less radical notions are backed by many mainstream conservatives, and they have historically aligned with conservatives.

Again, it is the liberals who are racists today.


Conservatives don't favor death penalty without appeal either.

No, but they do favor the death penalty.

Death penalty is different from death penalty without appeal.


Despite your failed attempt at sarcasm, the modern left has been much more hostile to freedom of press than the right... again the fairness doctrine, hate speech laws, etc.

So, yes, opposing a free press is a hallmark of progressivism.

Hate speech laws don't exist for the most part in the United States.

Except... it doesnt. That is not what conservatives believe.

Yes, it is. Look at surveys. Such as the ones cited here: http://atheism.about.com...

Nope, it is progressives who support limiting free speech with hate speech laws and the fairness doctrine.