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000ike
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4/16/2013 3:26:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This event was a tremendous tragedy that warrants national attention. However, I fear that this exorbitant exposure serves to only encourage future crimes of a similar nature. In short, the media needs to stop sensationalizing everything. Yes, in the initial hours of shock it's important that we all know what occurred and what's being done to help the victims and what's being done to prosecute the group or individual who orchestrated this. However if we allow retaliatory violence of this magnitude to marinate in the public psyche, we normalize it. We're essentially broadcasting to all the disturbed people out there that it's okay to harm and destroy to solve problems - that its normal - that it's head of - that it'll get him/her the attention he/she desires.

So, yes, cover the story thoroughly...but do so quickly and prudently. There is too small a temporal gap between the tragedies of Newtown and Boston for this exposure to not desensitize us as a society.
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4/16/2013 3:40:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I agree with Ike for once ha.
This all assumes it was a terrorist attack meant to bring attention to something, but as long as the media shows how much control of our lives a bomb or a shooting or whatever else can take, it will only encourage that as a medium through which future attacks are planned.
Not saying I have a solution, but the way it's handled now is surely not helpful in discouraging future similar events. Though I could be wrong, not really any way to prove my point of view.
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4/16/2013 4:34:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 3:40:45 PM, lewis20 wrote:
I agree with Ike for once ha.
This all assumes it was a terrorist attack meant to bring attention to something, but as long as the media shows how much control of our lives a bomb or a shooting or whatever else can take, it will only encourage that as a medium through which future attacks are planned.
Not saying I have a solution, but the way it's handled now is surely not helpful in discouraging future similar events. Though I could be wrong, not really any way to prove my point of view.

100% agree...
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4/16/2013 4:49:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Events such as these gather far too much attention than they merit. People die. People die horribly. Every hour. All the time.
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4/16/2013 5:21:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 4:49:21 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Events such as these gather far too much attention than they merit. People die. People die horribly. Every hour. All the time.

But this event is an evil attack aimed at innocent people. That is what is different. Also, it sells, which attracts the media. Understand?
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4/16/2013 5:29:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 5:21:55 PM, Aned wrote:
At 4/16/2013 4:49:21 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Events such as these gather far too much attention than they merit. People die. People die horribly. Every hour. All the time.

But this event is an evil attack aimed at innocent people. That is what is different. Also, it sells, which attracts the media. Understand?

I don't dispute that it's evil.

Emotionally, of course, I'm right there with the media in that it feels very significant. But rationally and intellectually, I know it's not something that merits this kind of attention.
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4/16/2013 5:38:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 3:40:45 PM, lewis20 wrote:
I agree with Ike for once ha.
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000ike
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4/16/2013 5:38:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 5:21:55 PM, Aned wrote:
At 4/16/2013 4:49:21 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Events such as these gather far too much attention than they merit. People die. People die horribly. Every hour. All the time.

But this event is an evil attack aimed at innocent people. That is what is different. Also, it sells, which attracts the media. Understand?

In light of the events of the past decade in this country, I want you to take a long, hard look at these two sentences, and tell me what's wrong with that juxtaposition.
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4/16/2013 5:41:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 5:38:59 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:21:55 PM, Aned wrote:
At 4/16/2013 4:49:21 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Events such as these gather far too much attention than they merit. People die. People die horribly. Every hour. All the time.

But this event is an evil attack aimed at innocent people. That is what is different. Also, it sells, which attracts the media. Understand?

In light of the events of the past decade in this country, I want you to take a long, hard look at these two sentences, and tell me what's wrong with that juxtaposition.

Wars in the Middle East?
lewis20
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4/16/2013 5:47:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 5:21:55 PM, Aned wrote:
At 4/16/2013 4:49:21 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Events such as these gather far too much attention than they merit. People die. People die horribly. Every hour. All the time.

But this event is an evil attack aimed at innocent people. That is what is different. Also, it sells, which attracts the media. Understand?

Evil attacks aimed at innocent people all the time, it's just that this time it's Americans.
The second part is true, it sells.
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4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?
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4/16/2013 5:52:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?

The norm is amazingly myopic.
000ike
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4/16/2013 5:55:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?

I'm literally laughing right now that that's all you took out of the posts above. Look at those dumb hipsters; how dare they think independently!!
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4/16/2013 6:02:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 5:21:55 PM, Aned wrote:
At 4/16/2013 4:49:21 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Events such as these gather far too much attention than they merit. People die. People die horribly. Every hour. All the time.

But this event is an evil attack aimed at innocent people. That is what is different. Also, it sells, which attracts the media. Understand?

The Korea distraction: yes, it did not deserve any attention due to the fact that the Koreans have been playing the same game for over 50 years. On the other hand, Obama and his sequester most likely encourage terrorists to commit evil acts since maybe they were expecting lack of security.
OberHerr
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4/16/2013 6:02:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 5:55:18 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?

I'm literally laughing right now that that's all you took out of the posts above. Look at those dumb hipsters; how dare they think independently!!

It was more: look at all those dumb hipsters circle-jerking each other over how lame everyone else is.
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OberHerr
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4/16/2013 6:02:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 5:52:58 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?

The norm is amazingly myopic.

Didn't know that makes it always wrong.
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dylancatlow
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4/16/2013 6:07:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 6:02:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:52:58 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?

The norm is amazingly myopic.

Didn't know that makes it always wrong.

That's not the reason I said it was wrong.
lewis20
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4/16/2013 6:08:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 6:02:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:55:18 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?

I'm literally laughing right now that that's all you took out of the posts above. Look at those dumb hipsters; how dare they think independently!!

It was more: look at all those dumb hipsters circle-jerking each other over how lame everyone else is.

Most of us are dcks when arguing with other people, Ober just feels like dropping in and being a dck for no reason ha.
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ConservativePolitico
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4/16/2013 6:08:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
When media attention is given to such a large degree it allows attackers such at this to influence the entire public via the shock media making actions like this much more appeasing.

Instead of killing 3 and injuring hundreds you have now killed 3, injured hundreds and shocked millions because of the media attention.

I agree.
OberHerr
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4/16/2013 6:08:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 6:07:10 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/16/2013 6:02:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:52:58 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?

The norm is amazingly myopic.

Didn't know that makes it always wrong.

That's not the reason I said it was wrong.

So what is the reason, in this case?
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lewis20
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4/16/2013 6:09:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 6:08:32 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
When media attention is given to such a large degree it allows attackers such at this to influence the entire public via the shock media making actions like this much more appeasing.

Instead of killing 3 and injuring hundreds you have now killed 3, injured hundreds and shocked millions because of the media attention.

I agree.

I think this is one of the few points everyone agrees.
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000ike
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4/16/2013 6:09:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 6:02:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:52:58 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?

The norm is amazingly myopic.

Didn't know that makes it always wrong.

I'm not even sure what you're protesting here. What norm is being contravened? All I said was that the news stations need to cover this story and move on so we don't encourage other crimes like this. We don't need 1,000 reporters flocking to Boston overnight, just to use the city as a backdrop for redundant information. We don't need to here about death and injury and destruction for days on end, only to have such imagery admitted as business as usual. We don't need to give other criminals the idea that this is a creative and attention-garnering way to solve their problems.

This is pretty uncontroversial and fair. I really don't know where you got the whole "cool hipsters bashing society" nonsense from.
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4/16/2013 6:13:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 6:09:42 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/16/2013 6:02:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:52:58 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?

The norm is amazingly myopic.

Didn't know that makes it always wrong.

I'm not even sure what you're protesting here. What norm is being contravened? All I said was that the news stations need to cover this story and move on so we don't encourage other crimes like this. We don't need 1,000 reporters flocking to Boston overnight, just to use the city as a backdrop for redundant information. We don't need to here about death and injury and destruction for days on end, only to have such imagery admitted as business as usual. We don't need to give other criminals the idea that this is a creative and attention-garnering way to solve their problems.


ASSSSEEEEERRRRRTTTTIIIIIIOOOONNNNNSSSSSSSSS!

This is pretty uncontroversial and fair. I really don't know where you got the whole "cool hipsters bashing society" nonsense from.

Well, not sure about you, but most of the people on this thread agreeing with you are agreeing because they don't like the idea of having sympathy over the people who are hurt/died because this incident, but not as much focus on other countries.
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4/16/2013 6:13:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 6:12:32 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
We shouldn't cover a bombing in our home country? People are scared. You want to withheld information?

That's not what I said. And you know that.

Being speedy and non-sensationalistic in coverage =/= withholding information.
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4/16/2013 6:14:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 6:12:32 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
We shouldn't cover a bombing in our home country? People are scared. You want to withheld information?

Yes you read the OP correctly, he said we should immediately sweep the story under the rug, withhold information and never speak a word of it...
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4/16/2013 6:15:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 6:08:30 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 4/16/2013 6:02:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:55:18 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?

I'm literally laughing right now that that's all you took out of the posts above. Look at those dumb hipsters; how dare they think independently!!

It was more: look at all those dumb hipsters circle-jerking each other over how lame everyone else is.

Most of us are dcks when arguing with other people, Ober just feels like dropping in and being a dck for no reason ha.

I was the one being a d!ck by suggesting that maybe people dying, and a potential terrorist attack is something we should vaguely care about? Well.

And yah, I know, stoopid 'mericans not caring about other tragedies, assertions, assumptions, blah blah blah, ect.
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4/16/2013 6:18:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 6:15:34 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/16/2013 6:08:30 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 4/16/2013 6:02:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:55:18 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/16/2013 5:51:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Dang, aren't you all so cool? All edgy, going against the norm?

I'm literally laughing right now that that's all you took out of the posts above. Look at those dumb hipsters; how dare they think independently!!

It was more: look at all those dumb hipsters circle-jerking each other over how lame everyone else is.

Most of us are dcks when arguing with other people, Ober just feels like dropping in and being a dck for no reason ha.

I was the one being a d!ck by suggesting that maybe people dying, and a potential terrorist attack is something we should vaguely care about? Well.

And yah, I know, stoopid 'mericans not caring about other tragedies, assertions, assumptions, blah blah blah, ect.

You clearly didn't read what was posted.
Also it's etc. not ect.
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4/16/2013 6:38:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 6:13:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/16/2013 6:12:32 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
We shouldn't cover a bombing in our home country? People are scared. You want to withheld information?

That's not what I said. And you know that.

Being speedy and non-sensationalistic in coverage =/= withholding information.

I'm honestly confused. How would you cover the story?
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4/16/2013 6:41:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
To ike.

My post was more centered to what dylan and lewis posted, and to what othes have said in another thread.

I somewhat agreed with your idea, but its just a big what if.
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