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Government and the Internet

Wallstreetatheist
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4/17/2013 1:41:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
The Internet, once hailed as an implacable force of liberalization and democratization, has become the ultimate tool for surveillance and repression. "You can never take information back once it's out there," Appelbaum says, "and it takes very little information to ruin a person's life." The dangers of the Web may remain abstract for most Americans, but for much of the world, visiting restricted websites or saying something controversial in an e-mail can lead to imprisonment, torture or death.

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Wallstreetatheist
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4/17/2013 1:57:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Bill Binney, an NSA whistleblower, was referenced many times in the above speech for having the courage to speak out about spying on Americans and the surveillance state. Government is pure, unadulterated evil--and it's just getting worse. Bill Binney and Jacob Applebaum are frequently threatened, interrogated, and attacked for taking a position consonant with human liberty; I think we should applaud people like this.

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GeoLaureate8
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4/17/2013 1:59:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
And that is why Americans must continue to exercise their free speech rights. If 300,000,000 Americans are visiting sites and saying controversial things, they can't lock everybody up.
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glassplotful
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4/17/2013 3:15:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 3:06:42 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Thoughts?

The internet never should have had any regulations or restrictions at all. It's ridiculous that one key word can set off an investigation. In Texas, as well as many other states, simply talking sexually (with no intent) to an underage person on the internet is illegal.

One fact that always keeps me happy is that the internet is extremely hard to regulate. Take down a domain, you'll see the site back up in hours on another domain. Websites are immortal, in a sense.
drhead
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4/17/2013 3:34:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's idiotic that they even try to regulate the Internet. The Internet contains people from every country, there is no one law to follow on the Internet.

That being said, I feel that intellectual property industries pose a greater threat to the Internet than anything else. The SOPA/PIPA crisis is undoubtedly one of the worst things that could have happened to the Internet. And who was it backed by? The MPAA and RIAA. The government was only a proxy (no pun intended) in this case.
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Skepsikyma
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4/17/2013 5:41:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Applebaum is a personal hero of mine. The man has balls of steel, and I agree with his point in it's entirety. I especially liked an argument I once heard him outline about the crusade to remove child pornography from the internet, and how removing the documentation of it doesn't prevent the abuse that is the real evil, and that stopping people from attempting to upload it won't stop them from abusing children, it will just make it harder to catch them. The insidious hidden premise behind the argument that he attacked is that removing abuse from the public eyes will stop it from happening. In the end, it's more about assuring people that evil isn't there than it is about actually stopping it from happening.
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4/18/2013 5:48:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/18/2013 3:41:38 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Do you code?

Bare bones, and I mean bare bones. I haven't done it in ages and my knowledge is probably completely obsolete at this point.
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4/19/2013 4:44:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 11:54:02 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I see.

MORE PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THlS SHlT!

Agreed. Usually I'm very quiet in person, but one of the few things that will make me tear into someone like a ton of bricks is their advocating for the execution of Assange for treason, or justifying the harassment that Appelbaum suffers.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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