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jimtimmy2
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4/21/2013 5:30:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I am one who believes that law can exist in the absence of a state. Examples of such a legal system (polycentric law) can be seen in medieval Iceland, medieval Ireland, modern day Somalia, and the supposedly wild West which in fact had a lower per capita murder rate than the statist east.

There can be arguments for statist law, but oftentimes advocates totally ignore the success of stateless law.
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4/21/2013 5:33:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 5:32:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Not sure if real jimtimmy or a fake.

I am as real as you want me to be.
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4/21/2013 5:35:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 5:32:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Not sure if real jimtimmy or a fake.

its fake. The real jimtimmy would use his own account, and post this in the DDO forum, where he'd get more attention.
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jimtimmy2
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4/21/2013 5:36:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 5:35:02 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/21/2013 5:32:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Not sure if real jimtimmy or a fake.

its fake. The real jimtimmy would use his own account, and post this in the DDO forum, where he'd get more attention.

Or, maybe the real jimtimmy would not do that just to make you think that it is a fake jimtimmy...
APB
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4/21/2013 5:39:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 5:30:10 PM, jimtimmy2 wrote:
I am one who believes that law can exist in the absence of a state. Examples of such a legal system (polycentric law) can be seen in medieval Iceland, medieval Ireland, modern day Somalia, and the supposedly wild West which in fact had a lower per capita murder rate than the statist east.

There can be arguments for statist law, but oftentimes advocates totally ignore the success of stateless law.

It's not enough to say "Law can exist without the State". There must be something that enforces the law in place of the State, even it's just "honour" or "fear of retribution". Humans are social animals, they need some incentive to be social. Also, before abolishing the State in favour of your alternative enforcement method, consider the pros and cons of each system and decide if it's really the outcome you want.
royalpaladin
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4/22/2013 5:46:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 5:35:02 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/21/2013 5:32:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Not sure if real jimtimmy or a fake.

its fake. The real jimtimmy would use his own account, and post this in the DDO forum, where he'd get more attention.

Jimtimmy decided that he did not like anarchy because he would not be able to effectively organize violence against minorities without a state. This is a fake account.
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4/22/2013 8:14:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 5:46:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Jimtimmy decided that he did not like anarchy because he would not be able to effectively organize violence against minorities without a state. This is a fake account.

Widespread violence, genocide, and massive repression usually require a state, but in a free society, people would have the option to refuse service and employment to those they view as being the wrong race or whatever racism is about.
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4/22/2013 8:57:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
He's a fake.

I believe we should simply abolish the government at any levels higher than the most local. We still would have local governments that could perform all functions, but they simply wouldn't have any over-arching state or national government to be subject to. At such a scale, we would see the abolishment of environmental damage (they'd only have the authority to destroy their local community), and any rules deemed oppressive could be easily subverted by migration to another community.
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4/22/2013 9:54:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 8:57:09 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
He's a fake.

I believe we should simply abolish the government at any levels higher than the most local. We still would have local governments that could perform all functions, but they simply wouldn't have any over-arching state or national government to be subject to. At such a scale, we would see the abolishment of environmental damage (they'd only have the authority to destroy their local community), and any rules deemed oppressive could be easily subverted by migration to another community.

What's the interior setup of the local government supposed to be like? Greek polis, AnCom, what?
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4/22/2013 10:37:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 5:30:10 PM, jimtimmy2 wrote:
I am one who believes that law can exist in the absence of a state. Examples of such a legal system (polycentric law) can be seen in medieval Iceland, medieval Ireland, modern day Somalia, and the supposedly wild West which in fact had a lower per capita murder rate than the statist east.

There can be arguments for statist law, but oftentimes advocates totally ignore the success of stateless law.

Yes, because Somalia is working so well.
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jimtimmy2
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4/22/2013 11:04:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 5:46:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2013 5:35:02 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/21/2013 5:32:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Not sure if real jimtimmy or a fake.

its fake. The real jimtimmy would use his own account, and post this in the DDO forum, where he'd get more attention.

Jimtimmy decided that he did not like anarchy because he would not be able to effectively organize violence against minorities without a state. This is a fake account.

That is not something that I have ever said. I can see that you are as into making up racist strawmen as ever.
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4/22/2013 11:05:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 10:37:48 AM, drhead wrote:
At 4/21/2013 5:30:10 PM, jimtimmy2 wrote:
I am one who believes that law can exist in the absence of a state. Examples of such a legal system (polycentric law) can be seen in medieval Iceland, medieval Ireland, modern day Somalia, and the supposedly wild West which in fact had a lower per capita murder rate than the statist east.

There can be arguments for statist law, but oftentimes advocates totally ignore the success of stateless law.

Yes, because Somalia is working so well.

Compared to its neighbors, yes it is.
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4/22/2013 11:26:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 8:57:09 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
He's a fake.

I believe we should simply abolish the government at any levels higher than the most local. We still would have local governments that could perform all functions, but they simply wouldn't have any over-arching state or national government to be subject to. At such a scale, we would see the abolishment of environmental damage (they'd only have the authority to destroy their local community), and any rules deemed oppressive could be easily subverted by migration to another community.

May be medieval Europe will be your paradise, preferably in France. King with limited power, strong local power (baron, lord, bishop etc.)