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5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.
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DanT
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5/4/2013 11:27:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Since when is syndicalism, central planning, and social welfare, conservative?
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5/6/2013 8:01:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Fascism=Socialism+Authoritarianism

Socialism=Left

Authoritarianism=Right

This is why fascism is considered right of center.

Most ideology charts show the farthest right you can get is Anarchist, not conservative, conservatives are in reality right of center.
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5/6/2013 8:26:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/6/2013 8:01:28 AM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Fascism=Socialism+Authoritarianism

Socialism=Left

Authoritarianism=Right

This is why fascism is considered right of center.

Most ideology charts show the farthest right you can get is Anarchist, not conservative, conservatives are in reality right of center.

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5/6/2013 11:44:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/6/2013 8:01:28 AM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Fascism=Socialism+Authoritarianism

No fascism = Collectivism (Socialism & Nationalism)
Socialism=Left

Authoritarianism=Right

I think you are confusing Authoritarianism with Nationalism
This is why fascism is considered right of center.

No Fascism is third way, because it is neither left nor right wing.
Left Wing = Reformist aka Radical
Right Wing = Traditionalist aka Reactionary
Most ideology charts show the farthest right you can get is Anarchist, not conservative, conservatives are in reality right of center.

WTF???? That's not true, and even if it was, the chart would be inaccurate. Anarchism is Left Wing Individualism, and Conservatism is the epitome of Right Wing politics.
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5/7/2013 6:34:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Yep, his party was:
German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP);
National Socialist German Workers Party.

That totally sounds undemocratic and non-liberal.
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5/7/2013 6:51:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/7/2013 6:34:14 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Yep, his party was:
German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP);
National Socialist German Workers Party.

That totally sounds undemocratic and non-liberal.

Um, yeah, let's totally look at the name that the dictator gives to his party in an attempt to appeal to the masses instead of his actual policies. I guess you must think that the People's Republic of China is a republic and that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy, right? Hitler's policies were nativist and corporatist; they were not liberal in any sense. Jews were not the only people who were put into concentration camps; communists, socialists, and Gypsies were as well. Access to the free market was restricted to Aryans, but within that level, allocation of goods was on the basis of "merit".
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5/7/2013 1:49:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/7/2013 6:51:55 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/7/2013 6:34:14 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Yep, his party was:
German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP);
National Socialist German Workers Party.

That totally sounds undemocratic and non-liberal.

Um, yeah, let's totally look at the name that the dictator gives to his party in an attempt to appeal to the masses instead of his actual policies. I guess you must think that the People's Republic of China is a republic and that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy, right? Hitler's policies were nativist and corporatist; they were not liberal in any sense. Jews were not the only people who were put into concentration camps; communists, socialists, and Gypsies were as well. Access to the free market was restricted to Aryans, but within that level, allocation of goods was on the basis of "merit".

Dammit...
As soon as I posted that, I realized the OP was talking about policies and not party. I don't really know any of Hitler's policies, so I wouldn't have commented.

Kudos to you on your catching my mistake.
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5/7/2013 3:48:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/6/2013 11:44:38 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/6/2013 8:01:28 AM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Fascism=Socialism+Authoritarianism

No fascism = Collectivism (Socialism & Nationalism)
Socialism=Left

Authoritarianism=Right

I think you are confusing Authoritarianism with Nationalism
This is why fascism is considered right of center.

No Fascism is third way, because it is neither left nor right wing.
Left Wing = Reformist aka Radical
Right Wing = Traditionalist aka Reactionary
Most ideology charts show the farthest right you can get is Anarchist, not conservative, conservatives are in reality right of center.

WTF???? That's not true, and even if it was, the chart would be inaccurate. Anarchism is Left Wing Individualism, and Conservatism is the epitome of Right Wing politics.

Oh, you are right, but most charts I looked at saw anarchy as centrist, not left.

Nationalism isn't necessarily a rightist concept, and authoritarianism is different from nationalism.
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5/7/2013 4:17:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/7/2013 3:48:03 PM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
At 5/6/2013 11:44:38 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/6/2013 8:01:28 AM, ConservativeAmerican wrote:
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Fascism=Socialism+Authoritarianism

No fascism = Collectivism (Socialism & Nationalism)
Socialism=Left

Authoritarianism=Right

I think you are confusing Authoritarianism with Nationalism
This is why fascism is considered right of center.

No Fascism is third way, because it is neither left nor right wing.
Left Wing = Reformist aka Radical
Right Wing = Traditionalist aka Reactionary
Most ideology charts show the farthest right you can get is Anarchist, not conservative, conservatives are in reality right of center.

WTF???? That's not true, and even if it was, the chart would be inaccurate. Anarchism is Left Wing Individualism, and Conservatism is the epitome of Right Wing politics.

Oh, you are right, but most charts I looked at saw anarchy as centrist, not left.

Nationalism isn't necessarily a rightist concept, and authoritarianism is different from nationalism.

Nationalism is more collectivist than rightist, but it is still right wing collectivism.
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5/7/2013 4:30:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/7/2013 6:51:55 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/7/2013 6:34:14 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Yep, his party was:
German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP);
National Socialist German Workers Party.

That totally sounds undemocratic and non-liberal.

Um, yeah, let's totally look at the name that the dictator gives to his party in an attempt to appeal to the masses instead of his actual policies. I guess you must think that the People's Republic of China is a republic and that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy, right? Hitler's policies were nativist and corporatist; they were not liberal in any sense. Jews were not the only people who were put into concentration camps; communists, socialists, and Gypsies were as well. Access to the free market was restricted to Aryans, but within that level, allocation of goods was on the basis of "merit".

More like the name of the party the dictator took over.

Hitler didn't even name the damn thing.
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5/7/2013 5:22:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/7/2013 4:30:43 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 5/7/2013 6:51:55 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/7/2013 6:34:14 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Yep, his party was:
German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP);
National Socialist German Workers Party.

That totally sounds undemocratic and non-liberal.

Um, yeah, let's totally look at the name that the dictator gives to his party in an attempt to appeal to the masses instead of his actual policies. I guess you must think that the People's Republic of China is a republic and that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy, right? Hitler's policies were nativist and corporatist; they were not liberal in any sense. Jews were not the only people who were put into concentration camps; communists, socialists, and Gypsies were as well. Access to the free market was restricted to Aryans, but within that level, allocation of goods was on the basis of "merit".

More like the name of the party the dictator took over.

Hitler didn't even name the damn thing.

Hitler wanted to rename the German Workers' party the "Social Revolutionary Party", but Rudolf Jung convinced Hitler to accept the proposal to rename it the "National Socialist German Workers' Party". Hitler was than elevated to the party's fuhrer in 1921. The new name was inspired by the Austrian National Socialist movement.
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5/7/2013 5:30:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/7/2013 6:51:55 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/7/2013 6:34:14 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/4/2013 11:24:17 PM, Anti-atheist wrote:
Hitler used conservaive ecomics against liberal democratic economics. Hilter was great.

Yep, his party was:
German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP);
National Socialist German Workers Party.

That totally sounds undemocratic and non-liberal.

Um, yeah, let's totally look at the name that the dictator gives to his party in an attempt to appeal to the masses instead of his actual policies. I guess you must think that the People's Republic of China is a republic and that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy, right? Hitler's policies were nativist and corporatist; they were not liberal in any sense.
If by "Corporatist" you mean "syndicalist" than yes. Like Mussolini's Fascists, the Nazis were national syndicalists. Syndicalism is a form of socialism, hence the term "National socialism".

Jews were not the only people who were put into concentration camps; communists, socialists, and Gypsies were as well.
Communists, yes; socialists, not necessarily. Many Socialists joined the National socialist party, but many others rejected national socialism. It was illegal to openly question the state, and therefore all other parties were outlawed. Hitler was anti-capitalist and anti-Marxist, but pro socialist.
Access to the free market was restricted to Aryans, but within that level, allocation of goods was on the basis of "merit".
There was no free market in Nazi Germany. A "Free Market" is a market economy based on supply and demand with little or no government control.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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5/7/2013 6:44:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't like this obsession with definitions. But, I think we can all say with reasonable certainty that all of the so called "progressives" or "left wingers" of the modern world would be cheering on Hitler for his statist economic policies that bear an uncanny resemblance to Mr Obama's proposals (that they would call pragmatic progressivism) as well as his anti semitism and that so called tea partiers would be strongly anti Hitler.