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Capitalism Has Succeeded

Norphin
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11/24/2009 2:47:29 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Hello, my team has recently been assigned what I find to be a somewhat difficult topic. We must OPPOSE the motion that "Capitalism has failed"
Essentially, we must speak about how capitalism has succeeded in the world. I've only find information regarding how it has made the world a worse place. Any arguments of points that would be helpful? Thanks.
Puck
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11/24/2009 2:54:32 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Eh it's a bit of a straw man is probably why - the capitalism you find many capitalists advocate is a system that hasn't been wholly enacted; laissez-faire.

Sounds like either whoever organised it is generally clueless on the matter or using it as a synonym for industry in general maybe? It tends to be referred to as private ownership of business though that's not an adequate definition.

Start with the Industrial revolution, compare it to Feudalism - that's always a good start, especially if they won't be bothering much with correct definitions as such. The von Mises Institute should have plenty of forum topics, articles too.

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omelet
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11/24/2009 3:08:10 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Could always bring up modern day China and how it's been developing extremely fast since it became so capitalist.

Of course, you'd have to ignore the fact that many Chinese companies have done quite a bit of environmental harm in their monetary pursuits, which might be hard if your opponent brings that up.

Also, since you're just against "Capitalism has failed," you could just actually argue that it hasn't failed. What has it failed to do? Failed to create a utopia where everyone is prosperous? That's not something it was ever supposed to do. You need to figure out what you think Capitalism is supposed to do, and argue that it hasn't failed in that regard. Sure, it's failed to give us superpowers and failed to completely optimize society without any problems, but neither of those are probably what we expect Capitalism to do.

You could even argue from a perspective Puck brought up. Capitalism in its truest sense hasn't really been enacted, so it isn't even possible for it to have failed. That would be enough to negate the resolution.

You could also argue that Capitalism, though not in a pure form, has pervaded just about every economy on the planet, making it very "successful" in the natural selection kind of sense.

There are plenty of ways to argue against that resolution.
I-am-a-panda
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11/24/2009 5:14:48 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Russia - Socialism failed

America - Free-ish market succeeded

China - Socialism failed. Free-ish market is succeeding

North Korea - Socialism is failing

South Korea - Capitalism is succeeding

At what? Creating a stable economy.
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mattrodstrom
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11/24/2009 6:10:33 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
You can pretty much attribute all of our technological progress since the printing press to Capitalism.
(except NASA, which is currently failing)
Shouldn't be too hard, I'd rather have your side than the other, for as Panda points out I can't think of one large country that has succeeded at all without some access to markets.
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Norphin
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11/24/2009 7:51:20 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Well, I've thought of 2 points as of now.

1. Capitalism is the only choice, if we compare it with the alternatives (eg. communism)

2. Capitalism is the only system that has succeeded in the modern world (compare countries like North Korea with Hong Kong)
Puck
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11/24/2009 9:40:08 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/24/2009 7:51:20 PM, Norphin wrote:
Well, I've thought of 2 points as of now.

1. Capitalism is the only choice, if we compare it with the alternatives (eg. communism)

Don't limit yourself to communism, since communism is a form of collectivism, as is socialism, as is statism, fascism, nationalism etc. Attack collectivism as it gives you far more examples to work with. East vs. West Berlin before the wall fell, Japanese nationalism prior to WWII and now, as noted already, Chinese communism vs. the current model, and so on.
Freedomaniac
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11/24/2009 9:55:05 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
When people point to the failures of Capitalism they always look at what are actually mixed economies.
If you really want to see Capitalism look at Hong Kong. It is definitely not a failure.
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Ragnar_Rahl
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11/24/2009 10:06:23 PM
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Hong Kong? You mean that place where they nationalized all the land and only lease it to private parties? Where they have universally available government health care and welfare insurance and secondary education? Where the gunmint owns and operates the stock market?
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
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11/24/2009 10:42:46 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl,
If what you say is true, than Hong Kong is also not true Capitalism but that still does not validate any of the points made against Capitalism. Perhaps it is actually an untried government.
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Ragnar_Rahl
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11/24/2009 10:50:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/24/2009 10:42:46 PM, Freedomaniac wrote:
Ragnar_Rahl,
If what you say is true, than Hong Kong is also not true Capitalism but that still does not validate any of the points made against Capitalism.
Of course it doesn't. I am a capitalist and am defending its honour against impostors :)
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11/25/2009 5:50:13 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
To argue from a Libertarian's point of view, technically Capitalism hasn't failed. At least not pure Laissez-Faire Capitalism. Kinda like the whole "Communism has never failed because it has never existed" argument. Hehe.